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wish to move to australia(melb)

Post by leaving77 » Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:52 am

Hi, I'm Malaysian, currently working in singapore, i wish to move to Australia. any advise for me? am quite sick of life here, stress!!! :cry:

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Post by uncle_james » Wed, 09 Nov 2005 1:31 pm

you can study in AUS first, then is easier to get the PR.
However, if you are rich enough, AUS government won't reject your application.

is true that life in AUS is quite relaxing if compare to here.
few thoughts:
1. are you able to secure yourself in terms of financial after the migration
2. can easily adopt with western lifestyle (unless you are planning to stay in chinatown all the time)
3. few city in AUS is anti-chinese or anti-asian
4. you always treated as 2nd class citizen over there
5. high taxes ( http://calculators.ato.gov.au/scripts/A ... c/main.asp )
with the assumption AUS 30,000 a year,
you roughly have to pay AUS 5,000++
where you only have to pay about 200++ in singapore

here are the links:
http://www.aumigrate.com/index2.html
http://www.liveinvictoria.vic.gov.au/ViewPage.action
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Post by Vaucluse » Wed, 09 Nov 2005 2:09 pm

Well, this sounds like a milder form of 'OUT' from a while ago and seems to be turning into a bit of Oz bashing by the dear uncle.

1. are you able to secure yourself in terms of financial after the migration
Isn't this also the case for anywhere? The OP is Malaysian so I doubt he would have set himself up financially here either. Is it easier in Oz to set yourself up? No idea. I believe that if you can survive and become prosperous in one place you can do it elsewhere..
2. can easily adopt with western lifestyle (unless you are planning to stay in chinatown all the time)
Good point, although I'd like to know what a western lifestyle is, compared to - say - a Singaporean one.
3. few city in AUS is anti-chinese or anti-asian
I'd love to hear your sources for this, uncle
4. you always treated as 2nd class citizen over there
Ditto - love to hear why. It's these massive generalisations that do no good at all. The local guy who got jailtime for his ripping into Malays said he was not like Pauline Hanson or Adolf Hitler!!! WTF? How do you get from one to the other? And this was quoted in a national newspaper here. Hanson's problem was that she was thick as two planks and manipulated by much smarter people - her mistake was to say that Immigration should be regulated/reduced from Asian countries - for this she is villified and compared to Hitler?
Of course there are racists in Australia - my wife has been the butt of one - please compare them to the ones in our area here, even government-sponsored racism, and you'll find that it's not that bad in Australia.

I really do get tired of hearing how western countries are the harbingers of racism while the rest of the world lives/lived happily with and next to each other. Please check out immigration statistics to Australia/US/Canada/Germany/France/NZ etc . . . and compare them to Malaysia/Korea/China/Indonesia/Pakistan
If it's so darn awful in the 'west' then why are there so many people battering down the doors to get in?

5. high taxes
Spot on here, uncle - one of the reasons I left - lots of taxes with very little to show for them.


No disrespect, Uncle James, but please get your facts straight before you start hurling the 'racist' chant time and time again.


To the OP - the grass is always greener on the other side - Australia is very competitive and there are many applicants to migrate there, so even the selection process is a competition.
Why son't you make a list of what you have here and what you think you could get there - a type of pros and cons list and post it here - we'll try to be objective - promise :)
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Post by locallass » Wed, 09 Nov 2005 2:15 pm

Vaucluse, I don't think uncle_james is out trolling/looking for a fight. But at the rate this is going, it's going to turn into one. He's just expressing his opinions and there's no need to rip into him even if he's misguided. Go gentle on the poor guy please. Thanks.

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Post by Vaucluse » Wed, 09 Nov 2005 2:21 pm

locallass, I'm not ripping in to uncle james, I quite like his posts, and I did say that I mean no disrespect.
Can't quite see where I am having a go at him, merely asking him to think about his accusations of racism.

Perhaps, locallass, in Asia it is ok to call Caucasians racists, but where I come from it is not ok to call anyone racist without proof. (or is there a difference to you when an indian, chinese or malay is being accused of such, as opposed to caucasians?)

Have you ever thought that when this call of 'Australians are racist' or 'they will treat you like second-class citizens' arises it includes people like me that are being tarred?
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Post by locallass » Wed, 09 Nov 2005 2:26 pm

Okay, you sounded aggressive in that post. Maybe it's because tones don't come out so well over the internet. I guess I'm just afraid of another loud argument erupting over here.

Not sure whether uncle_james was making a racist comment. Maybe he'll like to clarify? Over and out.

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Post by uncle_james » Wed, 09 Nov 2005 4:19 pm

hehe... i never mentioned "racist", "racism" or even "race" in my post if your noticed... :twisted:

as chinese saying: "人离故乡贱"
- once you are not in your place of born, you always bully by the local...

for the point 1: is refer to can get yourself a job in AUS? and also how is the standard of living over Melburne?

for the point 2: i'm typical chinese uncle, so, everyday must eat RICE...
so, what i mean is leaving77 can stand everyday with burger, steak, of western cuisine?
this is based on the assumption we can't prepare the meal every working day...

for point 3: Singapore & malaysia is multi-racial harmony society...

for point 4: what i refer to something like the previleges ... that only AUS first class citizen can have it, properly like free education subsidize for the 2nd generation? (just an example)
Or you can't buy a new HDB flat (ops... :wink: )

for point 5: no doubt ... we both agree

correct me if i'm wrong, i'm ok for any critics...
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Post by uncle_james » Wed, 09 Nov 2005 4:26 pm

another concern is the how expensive is the medication?

we almost "tak boleh tahan" (unbearable) medication fees here...
(you can die but never get yourself sick)

i believe there is always a insurance to covert the medication cost,
but how well is the insurance?
how expensive is the insurance premiere?

However, transportation is AUS will be much cheaper (i believe) as there import-tax is not as high as here... is it true, Vaucluse?

Will the 4-season weather cause any concern as well?
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Post by uncle_james » Wed, 09 Nov 2005 4:52 pm

let's talk about why people don't want to migrate to Malaysia...

Malaysia is a malay speaking society and even the official language (bahasa rasmi) is melayu ...
so, you don't expect people who learn english, spanish, chinese since they are a baby will chose malaysia as an ideal place for migration

I believe this actually rise the concern for people who want to migrate to malaysia ...

however, most of the malayisa chinese is trained to have multiple languages including malay, english and even chinse dialect
like my self is hokkien but aslo understand cantonese

so, properly the only advantages of malaysia chinese is multi-lingual experise... :wink:
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Post by uncle_james » Wed, 09 Nov 2005 5:02 pm

Vaucluse wrote:locallass, I'm not ripping in to uncle james, I quite like his posts, and I did say that I mean no disrespect.
Can't quite see where I am having a go at him, merely asking him to think about his accusations of racism.

Perhaps, locallass, in Asia it is ok to call Caucasians racists, but where I come from it is not ok to call anyone racist without proof. (or is there a difference to you when an indian, chinese or malay is being accused of such, as opposed to caucasians?)

Have you ever thought that when this call of 'Australians are racist' or 'they will treat you like second-class citizens' arises it includes people like me that are being tarred?
ok, i agree with you, every places also got the racist ...
but my concern is how serious?
some of the major paper in malaysia did actually report the racist in AUS is quite serious ...
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Post by uncle_james » Thu, 10 Nov 2005 2:24 pm

thx Splatted for the good explaination for every doubts ...
so, the only concern will be how to get approval for the AUS immigration officer?

any tips or tricks?
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Post by Vaucluse » Fri, 11 Nov 2005 2:18 pm

[quote="uncle_james
ok, i agree with you, every places also got the racist ...
but my concern is how serious?
some of the major paper in malaysia did actually report the racist in AUS is quite serious ...[/quote]

Uncle_James, racism is serious wherever it is, but you are right, there are degrees of racism.
In Australia your personal safety is protected by the government and its laws, just like anyone and everyone else - whether you are a 6th generation Irish-Aussie or a refugee from Vietnam. No difference.

There are no racially divisive groups of any import like the KKK, National Front or Vlaamse Blok in Australia.

I'm not surprised that Malaysian papers report this stuff about Australia - so much easier it is for them to justify their legal apartheid, their racism and discrimination, which is part and parcel of their judicial, social and educational system. Malaysis should be the last country to brand others such. (just ask most Chinese and Indian Malaysians how they feel about the Bumiputera priviledges. Have a look at their university enrolments, public servant lists, housing grants, land grants etc . . .)

Splatted has done an excelent job in outling the situation and answering the questions - apologies for having been away a few days. Not much I can add to his writings.

To get an idea of the qualifcations required for prefrerred immigrants to Australia, contact the embassy (if you can get through the maze of their telephoen system)
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