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Post by locallass » Wed, 26 Oct 2005 2:50 pm

What, you're letting me have the final word so easily? :lol:

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Post by mysticalx » Wed, 26 Oct 2005 2:59 pm

locallass, you are getting bored aren't you?

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Post by locallass » Wed, 26 Oct 2005 3:05 pm

CD, you're such a sweetheart ;)

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Post by Carpe Diem » Wed, 26 Oct 2005 3:09 pm

:oops:

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Post by mysticalx » Wed, 26 Oct 2005 3:55 pm

Think what you like locallass. I never knew me being a male or female was such an issue. (Come to think of it, that's pretty easy to find out as I believe I have mentioned it before)

If you think you're right just because I haven't replied to your last few posts, you're dead WRONG. I ain't bothered cos the whole thread is getting stale. I'm not sure how you came up with such funny conclusions. For the record, I don't think anyone owes me anything. It's the country/people that decides what they wish to do. If they don't feel like offering any places to foreign students, so be it. Nothing anyone else can do about it. It would be just unfortunate as both parties would have benefited from it. Good grades don't guarantee you a place either. It's all about competition. If you're afraid of competition, you're in for a hard time.

Someone asked if it's free, so I told them what I know. People may have different points of views and I accept that. But I DON'T however, when they deliver their point in such condescending manner.

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Post by locallass » Wed, 26 Oct 2005 4:31 pm

Mysticalx, was it an issue whether you're male or female? I was just curious how neutral knew something the rest of us didn't. At least those of us who haven't been stalking you around the forum.

You know it doesn't matter who's right here. You don't seem to be able to listen to any other point of view anyway.

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Post by mysticalx » Wed, 26 Oct 2005 5:30 pm

And what view may that be, the one where students seeking education overseas are considered leeches, sucking the life out of the poor taxpayers, and that foreign students offer no value to the host country??? Obviously we all know how nice these places are by offering free education to non-EU citizens. And I've already explained numerous times the benefits and all, what it can bring to the host country and also to foreigners seeking better education. Wonder why I even bother to say anything on this thread when people simply refuse to listen.

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Post by dot dot dot » Wed, 26 Oct 2005 6:14 pm

neutral wrote:
locallass wrote:Okay, so Mysticalx is helpful and sensible and there is nothing wrong with her arguments for free education funded by foreign taxpayers. Just curious, how do you know she is female?
One final word on this discussion. If we are not happy with our government offering free education to foreigners, then we should protest in our own country, vote them out . Not show our unhappiness to our host country. We are after all guests here. Like I mentoned earlier, people here are fantastic .

Mysticalx sounds like a female nick to me. Sorry for being presumtious then. If you are a guy, my apologies
Better read again then... We were talking about free education in Europe, vaucluse and myself are Europeans and natives form respective countries there and were giving our thoughts on this matter as being taxpayers in these countries.

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Post by Quasimodo » Wed, 26 Oct 2005 8:11 pm

Wonder why I even bother to say anything on this thread when people simply refuse to listen.


I agree, no need for you to bother then.


We were talking about free education in Europe, vaucluse and myself are Europeans and natives form respective countries there and were giving our thoughts on this matter as being taxpayers in these countries.


Very true and valid.
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Post by neutral » Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:50 pm

locallass wrote:I was just curious how neutral knew something the rest of us didn't. At least those of us who haven't been stalking you around the forum.
I DON'T stalk people. I deduce.

Enough is enough, please


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Post by locallass » Thu, 27 Oct 2005 9:49 am

Mysticalx, the world is not black and white. It doesn’t mean that because you’re right, other people must be wrong. Everyone can be right in some ways, but to various degrees. The truth is somewhere in between and the ability to find the balance is a mark of intellectual maturity. So is the ability to concede that others could also be right even when they hold a different viewpoint.

People here aren’t disagreeing that students spend when they go overseas to study, or that they can contribute different viewpoints to class discussions. What they are quibbling is whether the money from these students is over and above what the locals are spending in everyday expenses. And whether the contributions of these students during class are justifiable for the amount of money invested in them given that there is no bond or returns from this. So far you have not covered these points while you stick to the same spiel. Do you now understand why people in this thread are frustrated at you?

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Post by mysticalx » Thu, 27 Oct 2005 3:02 pm

Mysticalx, the world is not black and white. It doesn’t mean that because you’re right, other people must be wrong. Everyone can be right in some ways, but to various degrees. The truth is somewhere in between and the ability to find the balance is a mark of intellectual maturity. So is the ability to concede that others could also be right even when they hold a different viewpoint.
I’m afraid you have missed the point locallass. Of course there’s NO clear right and wrong, and there’s definitely NOTHING wrong with questioning where your money goes to as a taxpayer. But you are testing my limits when you make students seeking education overseas sound so selfish and money-grabbing.
All of you are just looking at the bright side of you being able to study abroad without having to pay for it.
Bargaining is what you all are looking for, on the expense of local taxpayers in countries abroad, and for that you say that vaucluse is wrong?
There’s no need to berate foreign students when they’ve never demanded anything in the first place. Everyone has the right to know whether education is free or not. When a country chooses to make its education free to non-citizens, they should expect people from all over to apply for places at these universities. At the end of the day, it is also up to them to decide who gets a place and who doesn’t. There’s really nothing a foreign student can do. So stop putting the blame on them!
People here aren’t disagreeing that students spend when they go overseas to study, or that they can contribute different viewpoints to class discussions.
Perhaps you would like to read again? Just in case you have missed them, here it is again:
one of my Universities in Sydney was cram-packed full of foreign students, though I fail to see how they contributed to any intelectual discourse above and beyond what was there anyway.
The fact remains that your 'free' studies are being financed by someone, the local taxpayer, who gets no benefit from you receiving free education.
It’s hard to say anything when people simply refuse to see any benefits from taking in foreign students.
What they are quibbling is whether the money from these students is over and above what the locals are spending in everyday expenses.
As mentioned earlier by one of the posters, the marginal cost of having one more student in a classroom is very low. I believe I’ve also mentioned that there is an ADMISSION QUOTA. These students spend on lodging, food, transport and many of them travel around Europe (I believe you once thought this was true as well). So I’ve already given it my best to explain the situation. It’s not as bad as it seems.
And whether the contributions of these students during class are justifiable for the amount of money invested in them given that there is no bond or returns from this.
I recall explaining the benefits here and have even mentioned Singapore as one of the examples. Take note that NUS offers MANY research scholarships for Masters/PhD with no bond whatsoever.

Hmm…How can there be no returns? Most are probably long term benefits and like any other investment, you don’t expect to see your *profits* doubling overnight. Everything takes time and hopefully with time, these people will come to understand the good that comes out of it.
So far you have not covered these points while you stick to the same spiel. Do you now understand why people in this thread are frustrated at you?
I have given my points (too many times in fact) and there’s nothing else I can do. You are entitled to your own opinion but DO NOT discriminate against foreign students with that kind of attitude. To me and many others, you people seem very bitter.

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Post by Quasimodo » Thu, 27 Oct 2005 3:07 pm

one of my Universities in Sydney was cram-packed full of foreign students, though I fail to see how they contributed to any intelectual discourse above and beyond what was there anyway.


Have you ever been to an Aussie, US or Euro University? Have you seen Asian students immersing tghemselves into the host country's culture, joining non-Asian clubs, engaging in cultural exchanges?

I happeed to get to know two Singaporeans after about three years of sharing a class with them - their intention was to attend and graduate, not to contribute to the local country's culture.

What complete BS you write, and then disguise comments like the above as anti-Asian - how easy is that.

Why don't you follow your advice:


Wonder why I even bother to say anything on this thread when people simply refuse to listen.
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Post by locallass » Thu, 27 Oct 2005 3:21 pm

Here we go round and round again. Okay I concede defeat. I don't believe that I'm right just because I've repeated my points more times that people have.

mysticalx, you're simply incapable of listening. Best of luck to you. You will need it one day.

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