Pick-up lines

[Guest]

A point to add to Eric's- I had no problems at all with the men when I was travelling through Northern Europe. But once I hit southern/Latin countries like Italy, Spain and France, the men were so flirtatious and outrageously complimentary that I wasn't sure if I loved it or hated it

Yes you are right, Mostly because of their upbringing being in the Catholic faith, and very male egos, like they've never seen a woman before, they're very superficial and cocky. Pimps at best!

[briceloh]

tat's where they got ya.

Nah I got a few prepositions but didn't mess around because I was in a relationship then. But even now that I'm single and back in Singapore, I still don't mess with the Italians and French. They're good looking, they're glib and they really know how to spoil a woman... but they're such heartbreakers, I tell ya

wat i meant is that they only wanna bed u. if u r naive enuf, their assertiveness will get to u. looks like u r not, huh? but out of curiousity, who's heart did they break?

[local lass]

It's not about sex alone. It's about how they can look deep into your eyes, pay you an intense amount of highly charged attention and the most outrageous compliments, caress your palm, your face, any part that's "decent in public".... and make you fall in love with them, haha...

I haven't dated a Latin guy yet. I'm too faint-of-heart to do so. But I've seen them in action in some circles. The girls often take them more seriously than they mean.... and when they find out that it's never meant to be serious, it's usually too late.

[riversandlakes]

oolala, experience there

[dot dot dot]

Although related, I am not referring to the Southern European countries. Here it is still very straightforward and mainly verbal flirting (Italians have strong gestures though).

In South America and the Caribbean there is so much more art in flirting. It is not just a whistle, eyecontact or some pick up line. It is in their total behaviour, it is a mix of gentleness, discretion, movements, gestures, complimenting without being direct, smiling etc etc. I bet even the sourest grapes would melt over there. One cannot resist their immense attention.

Sensuality and erotics are much more part of daily life in for example Brazil.

Carlos Drummond de Andrade is a good example. Probably Brazil's most famous poet / writer, he is highly regarded in Brazil, where the people all know him and adore him. Here in Singapore his poems would most definitely be seen as pornography, thus not allowed.

Here's an example of how he can put it into words:

No corpo feminino, esse retiro
No corpo feminino, esse retiro
- a doce bunda - é ainda o que prefiro.
A ela, meu mais íntimo suspiro,
pois tanto mais a apalpo quanto a miro.

Que tanto mais a quero, se me firo
em unhas protestantes, e respiro
a brisa dos planetas, no seu giro
lento, violento... Então, se ponho e tiro

a mão em concha - a mão, sábio papiro,
iluminando o gozo, qual lampiro,
ou se, dessedentado, já me estiro,

me penso, me restauro, me confiro,
o sentimento da morte eis que o adquiro:
de rola, a bunda torna-se vampiro.



I leave it to Superedge, our Brazilian forum member to translate the way he describes such beauty as the female body.

My point, it is unexplainable, but the swing of the flirt in those countries is a zillion miles away from the Singapore swing.... (and the Dutch as well by the way).

Eric

[local lass]

Eric, perhaps our difference in experiences is not so much due to cultural but gender. Women flirt by signaling availability and attraction and are thus more subtle in their approach. Men are the pursuers and are thus more direct and aggressive.

Another interesting thing about the Italian and French men... a lot of them can cook well. I’ve been invited on several occasions to go to a guy’s house and allow him to cook me dinner. I suspect though that I’d end up eating breakfast as well if I went Anyway I never took up their offers so I wouldn’t know if their intentions were really pure.

[dot dot dot]

Gender is definitely of influence local lass. But in a combination with culture in that sense.

I know I am going to be flamed for this, but to me the most flirtatious and sensual women in Asia are by far the Thai women. No, not those you will find in OT, I am talking about the Thai women in Thailand itself. Their subtlety and sensuality comes quite close to what I encountered in Latin America. And not just the flirtation, also the passion in their daily life, which is quite different from what I experience in general here in Singapore.

Subtle movements and flirtations here in Singapore, at least mine, were mostly answered by extremely direct replies from Singapore women. But maybe that was just my "mismanagement"

Btw, I am talking about yeeeears ago now of course, happily married to a Singaporean woman.

Eric

[Wind In My Hair]

It's not about sex alone. It's about how they can look deep into your eyes, pay you an intense amount of highly charged attention and the most outrageous compliments, caress your palm, your face, any part that's "decent in public".... and make you fall in love with them, haha...

sometimes i pity the men. we women love it when men flirt with us and make us feel good, but when they are too good at it, we become suspicious.

so it boils down to this then, looking for the perfect man... the one who can make us feel like a princess and yet has the purest of intentions. sigh, too bad there's no such thing as a perfect man. the guys have it lucky, there are lots of perfect women around!

[Oh dearie]

Another interesting thing about the Italian and French men... a lot of them can cook well. I’ve been invited on several occasions to go to a guy’s house and allow him to cook me dinner. I suspect though that I’d end up eating breakfast as well if I went Anyway I never took up their offers so I wouldn’t know if their intentions were really pure.

:idea: American men can cook too
So can Dutch, German, Chinese, South African, . . . men

No guesses what's for desert though

[Oh dearie]

Another interesting thing about the Italian and French men... a lot of them can cook well. I’ve been invited on several occasions to go to a guy’s house and allow him to cook me dinner. I suspect though that I’d end up eating breakfast as well if I went Anyway I never took up their offers so I wouldn’t know if their intentions were really pure.

:idea: American men can cook too
So can Dutch, German, Chinese, South African, . . . men

No guesses what's for dessert though

Sorry for the typo

[dot dot dot]

It's not about sex alone. It's about how they can look deep into your eyes, pay you an intense amount of highly charged attention and the most outrageous compliments, caress your palm, your face, any part that's "decent in public".... and make you fall in love with them, haha...

sometimes i pity the men. we women love it when men flirt with us and make us feel good, but when they are too good at it, we become suspicious.

so it boils down to this then, looking for the perfect man... the one who can make us feel like a princess and yet has the purest of intentions. sigh, too bad there's no such thing as a perfect man. the guys have it lucky, there are lots of perfect women around!

This is getting interesting...

Like you say Wimh, you get suspicious when the man in action understands the job too well.

And that is exactly where the barrier is: What are you afraid of? Just enjoy the excitement and the flirting itself, it is nice. Don't be suspicious, challenge the man in action.

Now that is the game I am talking about, that to me the Latinos understand like no other. But not only the latino man in action, also the latino woman would know it is just a game, it is enjoyment.

Translating that game by getting suspicious and saying: "ah, he just wants me to have a one night stand with him" (the worst that could happen?), would be a turn off already. It is all abou the flirting game, not the result of the game: flirt and enjoy, just like that. And leave it like that.

Eric

[local lass]

:idea: American men can cook too
So can Dutch, German, Chinese, South African, . . . men

No guesses what's for desert though

But somehow it is the Italian and French men who invite the girls to home-cooked meals, and not the rest.

I like the idea of a man cooking for me. There's something really seductive about a man who makes an effort to take care of me this way. Maybe I'll take up such an offer one day.... when the right guy comes along

[Guest]

Gender is definitely of influence local lass. But in a combination with culture in that sense.

I know I am going to be flamed for this, but to me the most flirtatious and sensual women in Asia are by far the Thai women. No, not those you will find in OT, I am talking about the Thai women in Thailand itself. Their subtlety and sensuality comes quite close to what I encountered in Latin America. And not just the flirtation, also the passion in their daily life, which is quite different from what I experience in general here in Singapore.

Subtle movements and flirtations here in Singapore, at least mine, were mostly answered by extremely direct replies from Singapore women. But maybe that was just my "mismanagement"

Btw, I am talking about yeeeears ago now of course, happily married to a Singaporean woman.

Eric

Aww Eric, we Singaporean women are told we lose out all the time.... We're not as sexy as the Japanese, good at taking care of our men as the Mainland Chinese/Vietnamese.. and now you tell us we're not as flirtatious as the Thai girls as well! Darn, we sure are losing our charms, haha...

[unlocal lass]

Another interesting thing about the Italian and French men... a lot of them can cook well. I’ve been invited on several occasions to go to a guy’s house and allow him to cook me dinner.

Darling,

You make me laugh, just b'cos they invite you over with the offer of cooking you a meal, you assume they can cook well? Have you tasted their cooking, from you post, you said you never accepted their offers, so how do you know they can cook well? It's just another way to get into your panties dear...

If you are interested in Italian men, best you cook well. They are mommy's boy thru and thru...perhaps you have heard of the term "Mammoni"? They live with their mommies well into their 30s and even if they have bought their own homes and are still single, they will still live at home and enjoy mom's cooking and mom doing everything for them. So if you want to go out with Italian men, you better be prepared hear and compared to his mother a lot, not that there's anything wrong with that...so don't think the local men are such "losers' for still staying home even in their late 20s...and these days, many grown men in the US move back home to live with mom and dad to save money. I know of many guys(and gals) who live in their parents basement.

[local lass]

This is getting interesting...

Like you say Wimh, you get suspicious when the man in action understands the job too well.

And that is exactly where the barrier is: What are you afraid of? Just enjoy the excitement and the flirting itself, it is nice. Don't be suspicious, challenge the man in action.

Now that is the game I am talking about, that to me the Latinos understand like no other. But not only the latino man in action, also the latino woman would know it is just a game, it is enjoyment.

Translating that game by getting suspicious and saying: "ah, he just wants me to have a one night stand with him" (the worst that could happen?), would be a turn off already. It is all abou the flirting game, not the result of the game: flirt and enjoy, just like that. And leave it like that.

Eric

What are we afraid of Eric? We’re afraid of ourselves. We’re afraid that we’ll lose control and fall in love… with a man who isn’t serious about us despite all the attention and care he’s given us. We Singaporean women are not as experienced as our Latin sisters and don’t play the game as well. We can tell ourselves to lock our hearts away... but whether we succeed or not is another question.