PR automatic for kids?

k1w1 · Post by **k1w1** » Wed, 03 Aug 2005 12:40 pm

We are considering applying for PR here, and plan to stick around long term if this happens (nope, no intentions to take the money and run). Do my kids get PR automatically - or are they still expected to live on a DP? How does this work? If my DH gets PR, do I?

Also when it comes time for schooling (long way off yet), does this mean that they don't have to wait till phase three to apply? (I have been watching with great interest the spots fill up in schools and I am betting that when it comes time to find schools, there will be slim pickings left). The reason we are thinking about local schools is that if this all works out (PR, I mean) then we are a bit concerned that in an International School (which would then require a diet of bread and water in order to go there), our kids would have to deal with their friends moving away all the time, as this expat community is VERY transient...

Anyway, would appreciate some info. Cheers!

Yutenji · Post by **Yutenji** » Fri, 05 Aug 2005 5:16 pm

Hi,

k1w1 wrote:We are considering applying for PR here, and plan to stick around long term if this happens (nope, no intentions to take the money and run). Do my kids get PR automatically - or are they still expected to live on a DP? How does this work? If my DH gets PR, do I?

I don't think it's 'officially' automatic, but in reality there should be no problem. My daughter got PR very smoothly.
Sorry to be stupid, what's a DH?

k1w1 wrote:our kids would have to deal with their friends moving away all the time, as this expat community is VERY transient...

Hmmm, do you think so? I was under the impression that movements are much less than in the past. Still it's all relative I suppose.

Good luck

k1w1 · Post by **k1w1** » Fri, 05 Aug 2005 7:05 pm

DH= Dear husband

It seems to me that people come here for 2-3 years and the odd person is here for five. I suppose that's not REALLY transient, but it is unsettling nonetheless.

And I hate instant noodles - so International Schools (unless I land an AB-FAB job) are not going to happen!

So if hubby gets PR, me and the kids are it too - is this hat happened for you? Appreciate your help!

Hakuna Matata · Post by **Hakuna Matata** » Fri, 05 Aug 2005 11:53 pm

k1w1 wrote:DH= Dear husband

It seems to me that people come here for 2-3 years and the odd person is here for five. I suppose that's not REALLY transient, but it is unsettling nonetheless.

And I hate instant noodles - so International Schools (unless I land an AB-FAB job) are not going to happen!

So if hubby gets PR, me and the kids are it too - is this hat happened for you? Appreciate your help!

In the PR application, DH puts the names of rest of the family members as dependents. Then, all of you get it. That's what happened in my case, where I am the DH, although my wife would argue about the D part. Anyways, my wife and 2 kids also got the PR. Just today!
Good luck.

Yutenji · Post by **Yutenji** » Sat, 06 Aug 2005 9:24 am

Hi,
Basically adding to the prior posts ... sorry if I wasn't clear. If one half of the couple gets PR, there's no 'guarantee' that the other half (or kids) will get it too. But (a) dependant passes should be no problem, and (b) it's very likely (nowadays) that the other half and kids will be given PR.

I got my PR a long time back, when the process was quite drawn-out and tedious. Took about 1year. My wife got her's this time last year, in 2 months! Our daughter was -invited- to get PR when we registered her birth, and took about 6 weeks.

One last item ... watch out if you are planning to have more kids. If the parents are PRs, then male children are required to do National Service if they are still PR at the age of (I think) 18

. Pretty unlikely and there are plenty of ways out of this, but forewarned is forearmed.

All the best

Sentosa · Post by **Sentosa** » Sat, 06 Aug 2005 10:48 am

What I have learnt is that the rules regarding family applications are sexist. If the husband/father applies, wife and kids can be dependents and will get the PR as well. If mother/wife applies, kids can get the PR as dependents, but not the father/husband. He will have to apply on his own merit or be on a social visit pass. Quite archaic. Silly also are the questions asking one's race and religion. Especially since my religion changed twice in the last month

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Sat, 06 Aug 2005 12:21 pm

Yutenji wrote:Hi,
Basically adding to the prior posts ... sorry if I wasn't clear. If one half of the couple gets PR, there's no 'guarantee' that the other half (or kids) will get it too. But (a) dependant passes should be no problem, and (b) it's very likely (nowadays) that the other half and kids will be given PR.

I got my PR a long time back, when the process was quite drawn-out and tedious. Took about 1year. My wife got her's this time last year, in 2 months! Our daughter was -invited- to get PR when we registered her birth, and took about 6 weeks.

One last item ... watch out if you are planning to have more kids. If the parents are PRs, then male children are required to do National Service if they are still PR at the age of (I think) 18 . Pretty unlikely and there are plenty of ways out of this, but forewarned is forearmed.

All the best

Actually, you may want to check on the NS thing. I believe if they are still here as PR's as of age 14 then they will have to do NS. I believe that you will have to put up a 70K bond against their not doing it. This was so several years ago and I doubt if they have recinded that for male children.

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Mancunian · Post by **Mancunian** » Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:38 pm

Hi: i noticed from your reply that you have given this a little thinking, I am still puzzle on this NS thing. My wife and I are PRs in Singapore due to work and she is expecting and i gather that my child will be a PR but am not clear if he (if it's a boy) needs to serve NS or be recall back later in life to do his duty.

If due to work that i have to put my son thru something till he is 40 yo, i would rather earn less and go home or have my wife return to give birth.

If there is a website that i can read, or anyone have gone thru this experience, please share.

Cheers.

Yutenji wrote:Hi,
Basically adding to the prior posts ... sorry if I wasn't clear. If one half of the couple gets PR, there's no 'guarantee' that the other half (or kids) will get it too. But (a) dependant passes should be no problem, and (b) it's very likely (nowadays) that the other half and kids will be given PR.

I got my PR a long time back, when the process was quite drawn-out and tedious. Took about 1year. My wife got her's this time last year, in 2 months! Our daughter was -invited- to get PR when we registered her birth, and took about 6 weeks.

One last item ... watch out if you are planning to have more kids. If the parents are PRs, then male children are required to do National Service if they are still PR at the age of (I think) 18 . Pretty unlikely and there are plenty of ways out of this, but forewarned is forearmed.

All the best

mumbaigirl · Post by **mumbaigirl** » Mon, 16 Jan 2006 4:05 pm

hi k1w1,
the applicant has to make a choice whom to sponsor for PR....... only spouse, full family etc. Kids can continue on DP post-parent's PR and apply for student's pass when they start attending school. Priority for local school admission is given if the child is PR. Many don't apply for PR for their sons due to the NS obligation.
regards, mumbaigirl

Julianne Walker · Post by **Julianne Walker** » Sun, 04 Mar 2007 5:28 pm

mumbaigirl wrote:hi k1w1,
the applicant has to make a choice whom to sponsor for PR....... only spouse, full family etc. Kids can continue on DP post-parent's PR and apply for student's pass when they start attending school. Priority for local school admission is given if the child is PR. Many don't apply for PR for their sons due to the NS obligation.
regards, mumbaigirl

I'm a male P pass holder about to apply for PR. I was planning on applying for PR for both byself and wife but not for my 2 year old son. The above post seems to indicate I can do this, but section 22 of the notes for PR application (form 4A) states that you can't....

"Once a Work Pass holder has obtained Singapore
Permanent Resident status, his/her work pass will be
invalidated. If the work pass holder did not include
his/her family member(s) who are Dependant’s Pass
holders, in the PR application, the family member(s)
must surrender their Dependant’s or Long Term Social
Visit Pass(es) (if any) to the Ministry of Manpower
(MOM), Work Pass Division immediately for
cancellation. "

So I am confused. It seems that if I apply for PR, I need to hand in my 2 yo sons dependent pass? In which case is he allowed to stay in Singapore?

Thanks
Sam

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Sun, 04 Mar 2007 5:56 pm

They will be given a tourist visa. It will be up to you to then reapply for the relevant visa be it LTSVP or Student's visa. This this will get sticky later if you stay here for the long haul. It is entirely possibly to keep them here throughout their schooling and then have them thrown out of the country (A LTSVP is not guaranteed) once their finish their schooling. Then the only way they can return is by qualifying in their own right (without experience?

Good luck). Course the downside to this is NS obligation.

Julianne Walker · Post by **Julianne Walker** » Mon, 05 Mar 2007 7:47 am

OK I see. Thanks sundaymorningstaple !!

Doug · Post by **Doug** » Fri, 13 Mar 2009 2:49 pm

I am considering applying for PR status, but would like to do so without affecting my wife and children's status. I have read the forum threads on this topic and notice there are differing opinions. So I want to know if there is a number to call or an email address to contact to get the official word on this. Any help would be appreciated.

Post by **sundaymorningstaple** » Fri, 13 Mar 2009 3:56 pm

Start here:

http://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=151&secid=150

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