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Post by Pared » Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:48 pm

Thankx for the info Lynkx.

As far as getting my PR, I work for a major bank here in Singapore. They have legal assistance to help me, if only with the paperwork.

I asked around the office. Being a software developer, and Unix admin seems to be desirable here, so I feel pretty confident.

I somehow doubt that our "non-breeding" status will be an issue. It is not like they will ask for a fertility test or something. I doubt they really care that I had a vasectomy.

:D

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Post by the lynx » Mon, 14 Jan 2013 1:21 pm

Pared wrote:Thankx for the info Lynkx.

As far as getting my PR, I work for a major bank here in Singapore. They have legal assistance to help me, if only with the paperwork.

I asked around the office. Being a software developer, and Unix admin seems to be desirable here, so I feel pretty confident.

I somehow doubt that our "non-breeding" status will be an issue. It is not like they will ask for a fertility test or something. I doubt they really care that I had a vasectomy.

:D
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To answer that, one has to understand why a ruling government of any country gives PRs to foreigners.

For Singapore, fertility is an issue. If you have been here long enough, you've have picked up on the perennial discussion on this. And one is able to tell from the pattern of measures put in place by the government via agencies, policies, healthcare etc to tackle that. One of the avenues? Immigration.

Singapore favours granting PR to foreigners deemed befitting of its agenda. Duration of stay (an idea of permanence)? High income? Easy assimilation to local culture? Has son for national service? If no son/child yet, able to marry/reproduce? (doesn't have to be in order)

I think you should be able to follow this logic. Maybe you have something else they want that can swing them to grant you PR in your favour, if age and vasectomy is in the way. :)

If you do get PR, good for you, but I hope you view this as something permanent. What is happening is that some bad PRs abuse the system and when government takes steps to tweak it, it tars good PRs with the same brush :(

Hope you don't find this one offending. What others have said so far may be harsh but it rings true.

Mods, you may snip this section to another thread if you wish since the original thread is about permission for SCs/PRs to marry WP/ex-WP holders and this part is OTT already.

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Post by zzm9980 » Mon, 14 Jan 2013 1:36 pm

Also of note is your age; you will likely be a strain on the system (in their eyes) before you contribute enough to balance it out. There is a recent post about another westerner only slightly older than yourself but at a fairly higher salary who had his PR application turned down with the kiss of doom "you're welcome to continue working here..." statement.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 14 Jan 2013 2:21 pm

Additionally, your paying income taxes is NOT giving anything to the government/country. All you are doing is paying your own way. You are making money and the government get nothing that they need. The piddling amount of income taxes you pay doesn't amount to anything in their eyes, especially considering they have the 3rd lowest tax rates in the world. Working in the banking industry or in software / Unix admin is easily come by with Indians who work for less (sorry guys). There is nothing you can offer to the government here that would warrant giving you PR. You are already here on an EP. The tax rates are the same for EP as PR or Citizen for that matter. Therefore, you are not creating jobs for Singaporean (plus points - business owner), creating offspring - (Low TFR here - too old and cut to boot). and old. (additional load on the country's resources - medical expenses in the near future, forced retirement - banks are good for that). There is absolutely nothing you can offer to Singapore as a country that you don't already do. So why should they give you PR?

To buy property? Doesn't help them - only helps you flip if for a profit after 4 years. To get subsidized medical attention? Only helps you, not Singapore.

As I said, good luck, as you are going to need a healthy dose of it.

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Post by offshoreoildude » Mon, 14 Jan 2013 2:45 pm

Pared wrote:Thankx for the info Lynkx.

As far as getting my PR, I work for a major bank here in Singapore. They have legal assistance to help me, if only with the paperwork.

I asked around the office. Being a software developer, and Unix admin seems to be desirable here, so I feel pretty confident.

I somehow doubt that our "non-breeding" status will be an issue. It is not like they will ask for a fertility test or something. I doubt they really care that I had a vasectomy.

:D
No it's not. IT is no longer desirable in Singapore. It's passable but not desirable. Now if you had a doctorate in Pharma or Bio then it might be a bit better.
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Post by Pared » Mon, 14 Jan 2013 4:20 pm

Hahaha The guy that they had here before was Indian (so I am told by my co-workers, not any official word from management). He really liked the girls. Lucky for me he could not keep his hands to himself, and that is why they had an opening.

Back in LA they had similar problems with male labor from abroad.

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 14 Jan 2013 5:03 pm

Proves my point about qualifications. Also, if you are from the west, and don't qualify for a PEP, the odds are you won't get PR either.

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Post by offshoreoildude » Mon, 14 Jan 2013 6:48 pm

Pared wrote:Hahaha The guy that they had here before was Indian (so I am told by my co-workers, not any official word from management). He really liked the girls. Lucky for me he could not keep his hands to himself, and that is why they had an opening.

Back in LA they had similar problems with male labor from abroad.
I don't believe that story. I've been in MNC's for years in Singapore and almost never is someone fired for that type of thing. I think Pared is full of shit to be honest.
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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 14 Jan 2013 8:18 pm

Image :cool:

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Post by Pared » Tue, 15 Jan 2013 3:48 pm

I moved to Singapore to get away from the “rat race”

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 15 Jan 2013 4:45 pm

Have you ever had an inkling that the problem you might be incurring could be remotely caused by your very own attitude? One usually reaps what one sows. You started off on the wrong foot here. We have all kinds register here almost on a daily basis. Some do it deliberately, some do it unknowingly or refuse to look inwardly to see what others see. But we ARE here to try to help those who actually are looking for help and not just looking for validation of their own ideas and then get upset when they don't get the validation they think that they should get. And then start blaming all kinds of things for the reactions they get. Similar to what you are doing right now.

You were called a waste of oxygen precisely in response to your own statements. As I said, here, like most forums, you will reap what you sow. So you might want to take a good hard look in the mirror first.

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Post by nakatago » Tue, 15 Jan 2013 4:59 pm

[quote="Pared"]I moved to Singapore to get away from the “rat race”

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 15 Jan 2013 5:13 pm

Anyway, Pared, your attitude even comes across here....
........ a more ; realistic flicker effect". If you don't genuinely need help, or have something to contribute please don't contact me.
I'm sure you recognize it....... :-|

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Post by Pared » Tue, 15 Jan 2013 7:39 pm

Sorry I do not get it. What is that?

I think Singapore is a 'walk in the park' compared to LA. I tossed out my astma inhaler. My job is easy. Seldom anyone tries to hack the servers here. Back in LA 75 attemps a day was typical. Nobody bothers me. I am just about 'invisible' even though i am the only Westerner who works on my floor. I think there are only four or so in the building and they never come around my desk. Maybe they know that I do not prefer the company of Americans or British all that much. Maybe they work for another company in the building.

I ride the train home. There are no boom cars so walking is OK. I have been here nearly five months. I have not encountered any problems. I never have to confront anyone. Up until i saw this forum i thought half the population here was child-free. I have plenty of child-free people I can hang with (somewhat rare in LA). Almost nobody has children in the building where my flat is. Everyone smiles and says good morning. People in LA snarl.

I lived in Downey, but worked a few miles from LAX in a data center jokingly called 'the bunker'. Heard of it? You might have used it if you used you debit card at or near LAX.

Anyway do you know what my commute was like? Be glad if you do not.

I miss some things. I used to eat at Roscoes with my old collage roommate.

I took an offer doing the same job in Singapore, for only a little less money, and I met an an awesome woman about three weeks after I arrived here. I met her by accident because her phone number is almost the same as mine.

Sorry if I mistype. I am using me iPad.

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Post by AstaMao » Tue, 15 Jan 2013 9:30 pm

Hi!

My boyfriend and I have been together for almost 8 years now and he's finally making the move to Singapore. Initially I thought it would be quite straightforward, he get a job and we can get married but he did some research and found out that WP holders must get permission before marrying!

I've browsed through some of the past replies here and this has been confirmed. He has not applied for any jobs in Singapore yet and does not have or ever had a WP.

We're a bit lost now as to what would be the next best steps because his highest qualification is SPM so likely his work pass would be a WP. I'm a graduate from NUS holding a stable job $40k per annum, not sure if this would be sustainable to support a family in the eyes of the govt.

If we were to get married before he got a WP, would that have any hidden implications? I read that it doesn't guarantee PR. How about any implications on him getting a pass or job in the future or somehow breaking the rules of WP if he gets one in the future?

Another question about the passes, if we were to get married and as he won't be able to apply for PR yet (or no guarantee to get PR) I'm guessing LTVP would be the way to go. I would think LTVP and WP are two separate things and he would still require a WP at the very least to continue working in Singapore?

He wants to go down personally to MOM and ICA to clarify some of the doubts and questions we have, would that be the best way to go? MOM in particular has a few service centres, not sure if we'd get any answers just by going down like that!

Thanks. :)

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