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Postby dodrio » Tue, 31 Jul 2012 2:50 pm

JR8 wrote:
dodrio wrote: hopefully ICA approves her stay there after too


I don't think I've ever seen a person told categorically and repeatedly as you have been that they have no chance, and yet you still have hope.

I'd like to say I admire your spirit, but I fear you are simply closing your ears to what you do not want to hear instead.


I have gotten my wife LTVP+, so i'd like to say that it isn't always financial ability that ICA is seeing but too weighing other factors despite my low income of 2.3k previously. Good conduct of both sponsor and applicant and the certifications of sponsor too plays a big part in it.

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Postby beppi » Tue, 31 Jul 2012 3:22 pm

Patience and dedication probably also helped, which you have shown in remarkable abundance.
Congratulations!

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Postby dodrio » Tue, 31 Jul 2012 4:08 pm

beppi wrote:Patience and dedication probably also helped, which you have shown in remarkable abundance.
Congratulations!


thank you!

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Postby milner_24 » Thu, 02 Aug 2012 5:36 pm

dodrio wrote:
beppi wrote:Patience and dedication probably also helped, which you have shown in remarkable abundance.
Congratulations!


thank you!


First congrats to you.

Hope you can help me.

I just got married ytd with my wife who is on work permit (6month)

Her permit is up on the 15th Aug this month.

Questions

1) Does she need to cancel her work permit now?
2) Does she need to exit singapore upon her permit is up on the 15th?
3) Can i apply long term social visit pass for her now or do i need to wait for her to go back to her homeland before applying short term then long term

Appreciate everybody advice.

Thank you
GQ

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Postby dodrio » Fri, 03 Aug 2012 9:47 am

milner_24 wrote:
dodrio wrote:
beppi wrote:Patience and dedication probably also helped, which you have shown in remarkable abundance.
Congratulations!


thank you!


First congrats to you.

Hope you can help me.

I just got married ytd with my wife who is on work permit (6month)

Her permit is up on the 15th Aug this month.

Questions

1) Does she need to cancel her work permit now?
2) Does she need to exit singapore upon her permit is up on the 15th?
3) Can i apply long term social visit pass for her now or do i need to wait for her to go back to her homeland before applying short term then long term

Appreciate everybody advice.

Thank you
GQ


Hi,

Thank you, firstly congrats on your marriage too.
Did you first go through MOM for approval of marriage with your spouse?

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Postby milner_24 » Fri, 03 Aug 2012 10:19 am

Hi,

Thank you, firstly congrats on your marriage too.
Did you first go through MOM for approval of marriage with your spouse?[/quote]

Yes. I did obtain the approval from MOM.

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Postby trance00 » Wed, 15 Aug 2012 10:38 am

Hi people! I got a few questions which i hope you guys can kindly advise me on. I am trying to marry a Singaporean girl and although i know you're not MOM and therefore don't decide anything, your advice will greatly help me in deciding what i should do.

Let me give a little background about my proposed spouse and myself.
I'm 30, Malaysian Chinese male, drawing a mere $1350 monthly salary. I have been working for my current company as an accounts assistant for the past 5 years+. The highest qualification i hold is an "Advanced Diploma in accounting and Business" from Association of Chartered Certified Accountants (ACCA) which i just received in Feb this year. This is given to me for completing the fundamental level of the ACCA program and they have only just started giving this diploma out this year in place of the old certificate which is a certificate of completion of the fundamental level so i don't really know how much weight this diploma really carries. I also have a Diploma in hairdressing and have been a hairstylist for a few years in Malaysia and a short while in Singapore and this is something i think i can put on my application as well although again i dont know how much of a help this might be.

She is 28, a senior executive sales personnel in a large consumer electronics MNC for the past 5 years. She draws a gross salary of 5.1K and of which includes an allowance of $950 which is taxable and forms part of her CPF computation. Her highest qualification is a degree, Bachelor of Science in Business Administration from lesser know American University, obtained through distance learning. Her next highest qualification is a Diploma from a local poly.

Above are the relevant information we're required to provide in the application form. Other information about myself is that i have been living in Singapore for about 22 years in Singapore ever since primary 1 up until Polytechnic which i regrettably didn't complete. And then i spent about 3-4 years in Malaysia obtaining hairdressing skills and practising it professionally. And since then, i am back in Singapore doing what i am doing now. It seems that my current FIN number on my work permit is the same as those on my student pass although i can't be sure and have no idea if this have any bearing on the application.

Now i have a few options i can go about this application. In all options, i understand that there is risk of being rejected but i would like to take one that has the least of it. I could :

1) go ahead and apply for permission and hope for the best, or

2) try my very best to pass all 3 final papers in the coming December exams and obtain the ACCA professional cert in feb next year then apply for the permission, or

3)look for any higher paying job, and if possible, switch to S-pass then apply for permission.

Last afternoon i was thinking of option 1. By late night, i leaned towards option 2 then i thought i was worrying too much and should instead be a little bolder and go option 1 and now back to option 2. I dont really know what to feel about option 3 because for the past couple of weeks, i have been trying to land an entry level Audit position and Audit only since it's something i really want to do but have no luck so far. I don't really know if i should just grab any better paying finace-related job just to improve the chances of getting an approval. I'm not young anymore so i want to stick to my career plans as closely as possible and i feel that deviating from my plans for just a year may be quite costly but this of course i don't know for sure. As you can tell, i am totally confused about what i should do so therefore any advice will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks a bunch!

Just to add as to why i am worrying so much is that i was told that if my application turned out to be unsuccessful, my work permit would immediately be revoked so you can imagine how my jaw hung when i heard that since the information i gathered here seems to say that the result bears no impact on my current work pass. I also made a call later in the afternoon to enquire on the same thing and this time, the assistant over the phone told me that the opposite thing that is my work pass would be safe regardless of the result. But i didn't tell her of what i heard from the first lady who actually looked really professional in her OL outfit. So understandably, all these added more to my confusion. I am thinking of asking my girlfriend to make another call to confirm again but i think no one really other the the controller himself knows.

Anyways, i appreciate any advice or comments and once again thank you for reading and sorry about the wall of text.
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 15 Aug 2012 12:01 pm

First of all, whether you are rejected or not, will not impact your WP status. The only thing that would do that is if you got pregnant. (Hopefully, that isn't an option!) :o

But you do need to apply to MOM to get approval to marry, that's a fact. If you marry in spite of not getting approval, then your WP would probably not be renewed. Additionally, there is a chance that, if that happened, you might also be refused an LTVP based on your marriage, even though your wife has sufficient income to act as your sponsor.

My suggestion? Go ahead and apply. You've been here for 22 years and you are Chinese so for all intents & purposes you are already Singaporean (or probably think like one) Actually, your English is better than 95% of Singaporeans! :-)

Even if you wait to see if you pass the exams in December, AND you manage to change jobs and get an S pass, you STILL have to get permission from MOM as the ruling says "If you have EVER been on a WP" which means currently or at some point in the past. (I can vouch for the authenticity of that from my own extended family) So, may as well go and try. At least that way, you can start making alternative plans instead of fretting too much about variables. As much as they want Chinese babies, I doubt you will have any problems. Let us know how it goes.

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Postby nakatago » Wed, 15 Aug 2012 12:15 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:My suggestion? Go ahead and apply. You've been here for 22 years and you are Chinese so for all intents & purposes you are already Singaporean (or probably think like one) Actually, your English is better than 95% of Singaporeans! :-)

Even if you wait to see if you pass the exams in December, AND you manage to change jobs and get an S pass, you STILL have to get permission from MOM as the ruling says "If you have EVER been on a WP" which means currently or at some point in the past. (I can vouch for the authenticity of that from my own extended family) So, may as well go and try. At least that way, you can start making alternative plans instead of fretting too much about variables. As much as they want Chinese babies, I doubt you will have any problems. Let us know how it goes.


The man deserves a raise just for being so organized. At the very least, permission to start his own business.

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 15 Aug 2012 1:23 pm

Definitely agree 100%. One of the best initial posts I've seen here. Kudos definitely warranted.

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Postby trance00 » Wed, 15 Aug 2012 1:40 pm

Thank you for commending my English although i actually find my written English to be too long-winded, repetitive at times, extremely unimaginative and definitely not better than most people. But i'm trying to be more concise. Another important skill! Ha!

Anyways, I doubt the MOM will consider how naturalised i am so far, since that would be the job of the ICA, but rather be more concerned with our economic capabilites to form and keep a family nucleaus here. So i'm guessing only raw facts like our salary level and highest qualifications matter at this point of time. No chance telling them how hard i am willing work in order to keep up with the pace or how i have been upgrading myself on the standard application form.

In any case, it's comforting to hear that the result will probably not affect my current work pass so this gives me a little more courage to go ahead. Afterall, i would hate myself so much for hurting this girl should anything happen so abruptly between us.

Thank you for your contributions so far and if there are anything more, good or bad, i will appreciate them just as much nonetheless!

Oh ye, another question is that i paid income taxes for the last 2 years so i'm wondering if submitting the tax returns together with all other doucments required would help in any way since they are not required?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 15 Aug 2012 3:16 pm

trance00, it's not necessary. The major databases are all interconnected now and they can actually access IRAS directly if it is required. If they do want you to furnish them, they will ask you (seriously). Or any other clarifications/documentation that they may require. Actually, they are very good, but occasionally it does take some time with certain applications. I've not seen marriage requests delayed though, to be honest. However, doesn't mean that they don't. If they asked to see anybodies I would think it would be your intended's to prove support capabilities. What they are actually afraid of is two things. Marriages of convenience (doubtful if you have been here 22 years already) and becoming a ward of the state - hence sponsorship levels.

Keep the faith. You'll be okay.

One other thing. You might think you are long-winded but for once, we don't have to keep asking for more and more data in order to figure out the possibilities! Remember that. ;-)

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Postby Mad Scientist » Wed, 15 Aug 2012 4:01 pm

I will throw in my hat in the ring.
Apply you should. Go by the book and toe the line
Meantime upgrade yourself. There is a threshold of $2.8K min.income
I know you do not meet this criteria but your future bride is.
Prepare all necessary docs. Provide even though they did not ask for it
May the Force be with you !!
The positive thinker sees the invisible, feels the intangible, and achieves the impossible.Yahoo !!!

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 15 Aug 2012 4:31 pm

Yoda. Spoken, you have! :cool:

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Postby trance00 » Wed, 15 Aug 2012 6:14 pm

Yeap, i guess i should go right ahead. Gonna collect all the required stuff. Will keep you guys updated over the next couple of weeks. :)


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