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Re: plz help

Postby Mad Scientist » Thu, 09 Sep 2010 6:58 am

anish wrote:hi,
I was holding training pass more then one year before.. After my my training pass again i got student pass and after i complete my diploma i went back to my country.. its already around a year.. My gf is a singaporean and we want to get married and applied for marriage approval, recently it was rejected.. Any idea what i need to do now.. i need to wait to re-appeal?? whn i could re-appeal or re- apply??? Plz, help me.. we both love each other so much.. how can we b together forever??


What kind of training pass ? TEP or TWP
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Postby hitler1126 » Thu, 30 Sep 2010 1:32 am

Hi All

Same Dilemma Happen To Me and Hope Someone Can Advise Me.

I Am A Singapore Citizen and My GF is A Ex-WP Holder From PRC. She Has Very Clean Record During Her Stay With Company (Promotion, Supervisor Recommendation). The Reason She Resign Is Due To Her Parent Didnt Agree Her To Marry Me As They Want Her To Stay In China With Them When They Grow Old. Past Few Months Ago She Resigned and Went Back To China. Eventually We ,Both Found Out That We Cant Be Separated and Missing Each Other Every Day.. To Cut it Short, Here Are my Questions :

1) Any Chance Of Getting the Approval Of Marriage From ROM?

2) If Approved, Will It Means She Can Stay In Singapore With At Least LTSVP?

3) If Approved, Can She Give Birth In Singapore? And Will The Child Be Singaporean?

4) Any Chance Of Getting PR For Her ( Though I Know Nowaday Its Very Hard To Get It ) I Means In Future , For The Sake Of Child ? (Since We Wanted To Choose SG As Our Home)

5) Approval Of Marriage Vaildity? ( Means If Approve, Must Register Within 3 Mths, etc ..)

Pls Enlighten If Someone Has Similar Issues and Ur Suggestions Will Be Deeply Appreciated.

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Postby Mad Scientist » Thu, 30 Sep 2010 2:58 am

hitler1126 wrote:Hi All

Same Dilemma Happen To Me and Hope Someone Can Advise Me.

I Am A Singapore Citizen and My GF is A Ex-WP Holder From PRC. She Has Very Clean Record During Her Stay With Company (Promotion, Supervisor Recommendation). The Reason She Resign Is Due To Her Parent Didnt Agree Her To Marry Me As They Want Her To Stay In China With Them When They Grow Old. Past Few Months Ago She Resigned and Went Back To China. Eventually We ,Both Found Out That We Cant Be Separated and Missing Each Other Every Day.. To Cut it Short, Here Are my Questions :

1) Any Chance Of Getting the Approval Of Marriage From ROM?

If you never try to submit to MOM, you will never know , would you ? This is the only route in order to know if you can bring her here and live legally.She must NOT get pregnant b4 approval OR MOM must not know she is pregnant or else you are on borrowed times

2) If Approved, Will It Means She Can Stay In Singapore With At Least LTSVP?

Correct

3) If Approved, Can She Give Birth In Singapore? And Will The Child Be Singaporean?

Yes , she can, your child can have dual citizenship by descent if born overseas , If the child is male the question of NS will be a topic of debatable future. So think hard.

4) Any Chance Of Getting PR For Her ( Though I Know Nowaday Its Very Hard To Get It ) I Means In Future , For The Sake Of Child ? (Since We Wanted To Choose SG As Our Home)

Get your gf LTSVP first then see how it goes. PR wait a little longer like 3 to 5yrs stay in SG

5) Approval Of Marriage Vaildity? ( Means If Approve, Must Register Within 3 Mths, etc ..)

The standard reply if approve will require you to register ROM within a year but yeah, the sooner the better don't you think ?

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Postby anish » Sat, 02 Oct 2010 12:25 am

no c nvr move to my country..

And i was holding training pass of six months which was provided by my school of singapore.. i dont knw what its called..

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Re: plz help

Postby anish » Sat, 02 Oct 2010 12:27 am

Mad Scientist wrote:
anish wrote:hi,
I was holding training pass more then one year before.. After my my training pass again i got student pass and after i complete my diploma i went back to my country.. its already around a year.. My gf is a singaporean and we want to get married and applied for marriage approval, recently it was rejected.. Any idea what i need to do now.. i need to wait to re-appeal?? whn i could re-appeal or re- apply??? Plz, help me.. we both love each other so much.. how can we b together forever??


What kind of training pass ? TEP or TWP


I think that was TWP. Thanks...
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Re: plz help

Postby Mad Scientist » Sat, 02 Oct 2010 11:32 am

anish wrote:What kind of training pass ? TEP or TWP


I think that was TWP. Thanks...[/quote]

I maybe wrong here but TWP means Temporary Work Permit and TEP is Temperary Employment Pass. TEP has better rate of approval compare to TWP . You best get approval from MOM first but be prepared for the worse.
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Postby reay » Sun, 03 Oct 2010 12:09 pm

My PRC gf was a Work Permit holder under Performing Artiste category (6 mths) and was found to be pregnant during her 2mths stay. It was difficult to request her boss to cancel her work permit w/o a valid reason and i then told her to go to see a GP and get a Medical Memo to certify that she is pregnant (which i think i've made a grave mistake). However, she told me that her Boss did not state pregnancy as the reason when assisting to cancel her work permit as she only needs to provide him with the E-ticket no. of her flight and date of flight that she is going back China. Btw, she has already went back China 2 days ago.

My questions are:

1) Will the GP report her pregnancy to MOM even though this clinic is not the Panel of Clinics under her company?

2) I went to MOM and was given the Application for Permission to Marry A Singapore Citizen / Singapore PR form to fill up and there is the declaration part by Applicant and Proposed Spouse:

Is the female person (applicant/proposed spouse) expecting the child of the male person (applicant/proposed spouse)? Got to tick the box > No or Yes, please specify

If i were to tick the 'Yes' box, i wld presume a straightforward rejection reply from MOM. Should i lie by ticking the 'No' box instead?

3) Should i fix an appt online to see the MOM Officer directly or just send the Application to get married form to MOM via post with the required documents? I do not have her educational certs and i'm afraid that by omitting this will result in a delay or rejection reply from MOM due to incomplete info provided.

I'm afraid that she will be barred from entering Singapore if i were to declare that she had contravene the WP rule by getting herself pregnant. Worse come to worse, i will have to relocate and stay with her in China then. Sigh....

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Re: Advice needed

Postby Mad Scientist » Sun, 03 Oct 2010 4:45 pm

reay wrote:My PRC gf was a Work Permit holder under Performing Artiste category (6 mths) and was found to be pregnant during her 2mths stay. It was difficult to request her boss to cancel her work permit w/o a valid reason and i then told her to go to see a GP and get a Medical Memo to certify that she is pregnant (which i think i've made a grave mistake). However, she told me that her Boss did not state pregnancy as the reason when assisting to cancel her work permit as she only needs to provide him with the E-ticket no. of her flight and date of flight that she is going back China. Btw, she has already went back China 2 days ago.

My questions are:

1) Will the GP report her pregnancy to MOM even though this clinic is not the Panel of Clinics under her company?

Definitely yes, this is the guideline under MOM

2) I went to MOM and was given the Application for Permission to Marry A Singapore Citizen / Singapore PR form to fill up and there is the declaration part by Applicant and Proposed Spouse:

Is the female person (applicant/proposed spouse) expecting the child of the male person (applicant/proposed spouse)? Got to tick the box > No or Yes, please specify

If i were to tick the 'Yes' box, i wld presume a straightforward rejection reply from MOM. Should i lie by ticking the 'No' box instead?

You are asking us faceless people to tell you to do something that you already know the consequences. Should have pull your knickers up b4 this things up to your nose. Sorry I cannot advise you on this

3) Should i fix an appt online to see the MOM Officer directly or just send the Application to get married form to MOM via post with the required documents? I do not have her educational certs and i'm afraid that by omitting this will result in a delay or rejection reply from MOM due to incomplete info provided.

Yeah, you can try that but be prepared for the worse

I'm afraid that she will be barred from entering Singapore if i were to declare that she had contravene the WP rule by getting herself pregnant. Worse come to worse, i will have to relocate and stay with her in China then. Sigh....

The chance of being barred is 99.999%. You already know that. Best to make plans for you to live in China.

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Re: Advice needed

Postby reay » Sun, 03 Oct 2010 7:15 pm

Mad Scientist wrote:
reay wrote:My PRC gf was a Work Permit holder under Performing Artiste category (6 mths) and was found to be pregnant during her 2mths stay. It was difficult to request her boss to cancel her work permit w/o a valid reason and i then told her to go to see a GP and get a Medical Memo to certify that she is pregnant (which i think i've made a grave mistake). However, she told me that her Boss did not state pregnancy as the reason when assisting to cancel her work permit as she only needs to provide him with the E-ticket no. of her flight and date of flight that she is going back China. Btw, she has already went back China 2 days ago.

My questions are:

1) Will the GP report her pregnancy to MOM even though this clinic is not the Panel of Clinics under her company?

Definitely yes, this is the guideline under MOM

2) I went to MOM and was given the Application for Permission to Marry A Singapore Citizen / Singapore PR form to fill up and there is the declaration part by Applicant and Proposed Spouse:

Is the female person (applicant/proposed spouse) expecting the child of the male person (applicant/proposed spouse)? Got to tick the box > No or Yes, please specify

If i were to tick the 'Yes' box, i wld presume a straightforward rejection reply from MOM. Should i lie by ticking the 'No' box instead?

You are asking us faceless people to tell you to do something that you already know the consequences. Should have pull your knickers up b4 this things up to your nose. Sorry I cannot advise you on this

3) Should i fix an appt online to see the MOM Officer directly or just send the Application to get married form to MOM via post with the required documents? I do not have her educational certs and i'm afraid that by omitting this will result in a delay or rejection reply from MOM due to incomplete info provided.

Yeah, you can try that but be prepared for the worse

I'm afraid that she will be barred from entering Singapore if i were to declare that she had contravene the WP rule by getting herself pregnant. Worse come to worse, i will have to relocate and stay with her in China then. Sigh....

The chance of being barred is 99.999%. You already know that. Best to make plans for you to live in China.



Thanks for the prompt reply to my questions...appreciate the effort. Looks like its just a waste of time to send the Marriage Approval Form to MOM since the answer is already a definite NO. I guess even looking for MP or lawyer will be of no help at all.

Maybe the only thing i will want to know now is how long will she be barred from entering Singapore. Lifetime or 5-7yrs?

Without getting the blessings from MOM for my Marriage with her in Singapore, looks like i have no choice but to relocate to China and register for my marriage with her in China then.

Lastly, in retrospect, i wonder whether my application for the Approval of Marriage with her will go thru if she didn't go to the Clinic for the medical checkup...meaning to lie all the way thru and risk getting exposed one day after the baby is borne. I think i might be charged for providing false information then. :(

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sun, 03 Oct 2010 7:50 pm

Last I heard is somewhere around 10 years. I've got a nephew living with me with a 3 year old baby who wife is stuck in her home country after they let here stay here a year on an LTVP until the baby was born (the baby now has is a Singaporean by birth) but because the baby was a girl, they refused to renew her LTVP or give her PR she was deported. We've been fighting for well over a year using MPs, Mayors and anybody else. No go. My nephew had to go get the baby as the baby doesn't have citizenship in the other country about a year ago, now I'm taking care of both of them! With not any solution in sight. Good Luck.

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Postby reay » Mon, 04 Oct 2010 1:05 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Last I heard is somewhere around 10 years. I've got a nephew living with me with a 3 year old baby who wife is stuck in her home country after they let here stay here a year on an LTVP until the baby was born (the baby now has is a Singaporean by birth) but because the baby was a girl, they refused to renew her LTVP or give her PR she was deported. We've been fighting for well over a year using MPs, Mayors and anybody else. No go. My nephew had to go get the baby as the baby doesn't have citizenship in the other country about a year ago, now I'm taking care of both of them! With not any solution in sight. Good Luck.


I'm wondering when will the 10yrs take effect from if i don't intend to seek approval to get married with her. Initially i've thought of asking her to give birth in Singapore but i've changed my mind now. I've told her that its pressurizing working and living in Singapore and maybe its time for a change. Btw, i'm borne in M'sia and gt my Singapore Citizenship when i was abt 8yrs old.

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Postby Mad Scientist » Mon, 04 Oct 2010 6:05 am

reay wrote:I'm wondering when will the 10yrs take effect from if i don't intend to seek approval to get married with her. Initially i've thought of asking her to give birth in Singapore but i've changed my mind now. I've told her that its pressurizing working and living in Singapore and maybe its time for a change. Btw, i'm borne in M'sia and gt my Singapore Citizenship when i was abt 8yrs old.

I guess you are between the rock and the hard ground. Since you already the know consequences, I would be incline to go this route to satisfy your inner feeling of "what if". If you did not try you will never know.
1.Ask MOM for blessing just for formality sake. If yes >good. if no
2.You still Register your ROM here be it yes or no from MOM.
3. Wait until third trimester of your gf pregnancy. If it is a boy, you are in luck, your chances of getting your gf LTSVP once married is far greater than it is a girl.
4. Even if it is a girl, let gf give birth here, apply child China PP within 42 days of giving birth. You will get subsidy under Medisave and at least the hospital care is up to the mark.
5. Then leave SG for China if everything fails
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Postby reay » Mon, 04 Oct 2010 8:02 pm

Mad Scientist wrote:I guess you are between the rock and the hard ground. Since you already the know consequences, I would be incline to go this route to satisfy your inner feeling of "what if". If you did not try you will never know.

1.Ask MOM for blessing just for formality sake. If yes >good. if no
2.You still Register your ROM here be it yes or no from MOM.
But wouldn't MOM proceed to bar her from entering Singapore if the reply is no? Still able to go ICA and apply the Visa for her to come to Singapore to register for our ROM?

3. Wait until third trimester of your gf pregnancy. If it is a boy, you are in luck, your chances of getting your gf LTSVP once married is far greater than it is a girl.
Correct me if i'm wrong. If she is able to get the 2wks Visa to come to Singapore to register for our marriage, the next process wld be to apply for an extension for her to give birth in Singapore right?

4. Even if it is a girl, let gf give birth here, apply child China PP within 42 days of giving birth. You will get subsidy under Medisave and at least the hospital care is up to the mark.
Apply child's China PP? Wouldn't the child be given Singapore Citizenship and PP if the child is delivered in Singapore or the child is able to choose between China and Singapore Citizenship due to the so called "dual descent"?

5. Then leave SG for China if everything fails


My apologies if my queries are repeated because i have read thru all the postings but i find it a little confusing (maybe because i'm already at a loss right now and can't analyze properly). My heartfelt thanks for ur patience and precious time taken to reply my queries...appreciate it deeply.

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Postby Mad Scientist » Tue, 05 Oct 2010 3:33 am

reay wrote:
Mad Scientist wrote:
1.Ask MOM for blessing just for formality sake. If yes >good. if no
2.You still Register your ROM here be it yes or no from MOM.
But wouldn't MOM proceed to bar her from entering Singapore if the reply is no? Still able to go ICA and apply the Visa for her to come to Singapore to register for our ROM?

3. Wait until third trimester of your gf pregnancy. If it is a boy, you are in luck, your chances of getting your gf LTSVP once married is far greater than it is a girl.
Correct me if i'm wrong. If she is able to get the 2wks Visa to come to Singapore to register for our marriage, the next process wld be to apply for an extension for her to give birth in Singapore right?

4. Even if it is a girl, let gf give birth here, apply child China PP within 42 days of giving birth. You will get subsidy under Medisave and at least the hospital care is up to the mark.
Apply child's China PP? Wouldn't the child be given Singapore Citizenship and PP if the child is delivered in Singapore or the child is able to choose between China and Singapore Citizenship due to the so called "dual descent"?

5. Then leave SG for China if everything fails



Ok , my bad, I wrote too fast for you to grasp.This is the problem with me. The brain works faster than the fingers to translate.
What I meant is, you already know the consequences, hence she will be barred or maybe not. It all depends on whether you wish to declare her pregnancy or not to MOM. We cannot teachyou how to do this.
Get everything ready first in the event all fails then go to MOM to ask permission.
If MOM permits, then go to ICA to extend stay to register for ROM asap. If rejected, then you already realise she will barred from entering. No harm in trying right ?By then you have all your gears prepared for the uneventful rejection. Hence there will be no panicking.
We had one forumer here of similar nature, we DO NOT encourage nor tell you to lie but it is up to you to weigh your options.
You already know you are in the losing option but just to comfort your heart and give a shot with MOM.At least you know you have tried all options available. Ignorance is a bliss or not depends on how you play your cards. Get the picture now ?
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Postby reay » Tue, 05 Oct 2010 12:41 pm

Mad Scientist wrote:Ok , my bad, I wrote too fast for you to grasp.This is the problem with me. The brain works faster than the fingers to translate.
What I meant is, you already know the consequences, hence she will be barred or maybe not. It all depends on whether you wish to declare her pregnancy or not to MOM. We cannot teachyou how to do this.
Get everything ready first in the event all fails then go to MOM to ask permission.
If MOM permits, then go to ICA to extend stay to register for ROM asap. If rejected, then you already realise she will barred from entering. No harm in trying right ?By then you have all your gears prepared for the uneventful rejection. Hence there will be no panicking.
We had one forumer here of similar nature, we DO NOT encourage nor tell you to lie but it is up to you to weigh your options.
You already know you are in the losing option but just to comfort your heart and give a shot with MOM.At least you know you have tried all options available. Ignorance is a bliss or not depends on how you play your cards. Get the picture now ?


It's very much clearer after ur detailed explanation..thanks alot for the pointers. :) It's time for me to take a step in the dark after weighing the various options since it's on case by case basis for certain applications.


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