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Re: I'm banned to Singapore!!!

Postby starbucke » Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:16 am

It is not true you have no problem with other agency. MOM is the policy maker of "Marriage Policy", that you are in trouble with, but the ban period is carry out by ICA!

Basically, MOM take care of Manpower issue, and of course act and regulation under MOM, ICA is the authoritative of deciding your ban issue!

So..in actual facts, you hv 2 department to deal with

It is not true that those who flaunt the "Marriage Policy" cannot enter Singapore again, they can, but it will be like walk bare-footed on spiky stone, though the distance is short!

in my experience, your 10 years restriction is too long, and I may say so, you may have not know the procedure and process well enough to appeal for lifting of the ban

Yes, I can tell you this, you can come back, but tackle your issue with care :wink:

nursabrina wrote:
starbucke wrote:If you have been holding a work pass, and you married a Singapore national/PR w/o permission, you wud have contravene the Marriage Policy, and this carries a very long period of ban

It is tough to get this lifted as you have more than 1 department to deal with

Believe me, is tough, stressing and time consuming! I have dealt with numerous of this contravening cases

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nursabrina wrote:I'm also facing the same problem...well I'm not a Singaporean but I am married to a Singaporean guy for nearly 10 years now. And sad to say we are living separately for those long years until now. My husband is been appealing to MOM to lift the ban but to no avail.....its been rejected for I don't know what reasons. Is there anyone here could give me some piece of advice coz we are so desperate already to be together. and our 8 years old son is also affected with this problem.



I only have to deal with MOM, I've no problem with Immigration. they also felt bad about the ban and the only advised they gave us was to appeal to MOM. We've been doing that for almost 10 years. It's really so depressing every time we receive an "unsuccessful result" from them. They should at least tell us the reason why until now they couldn't lift the ban.
Yes, I am aware of that policy that if you are a work permit hold or even an ex-work permit holder you are not allowed to marry a Singaporean. I just happened to fell in love...I don't see anything wrong with that. I know countless of illegal workers there in Singapore, not to mention those prostitutes who can freely go in and out of Singapore using different names. That you call a "strict policy"?

I ever thought of doing that also, changing my name and my identity since this things seems okey in Singapore but I just can't stomach to do that. My husband is even thinking of giving up his citizenship and migrate here in the Philippines just to be with us. For 10 years we are patiently waiting for the ban to be lifted, if there's no chance they should tell us so at least we could think of other way to be together .

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Postby NC30 » Sat, 13 Jun 2009 1:18 am

Hello,
does this mean that anybody, who works here on any kind of pass,
P1, P2, EP, WP, LTSVP, DP etc, can't marry a Singaporean/PR???? :???: :???:

example:


I come from overseas, working for a MNC as the CEO,
happen to fall in love with my lovely Singaporean secretary,
live here while dating her for 2 years, buy condo together,
buy car, make her pregnant, but can't marry her!!!

Even later as my company retrenche me, and i need to work as a bartender, (from P1 to EP) for time being and to pay the bills,
I still can't marry her, or start a family with her here???

Bartending is not my thing, so i look for a CEO job out of Singapore,
(ex P1 and ex-EP).
I still can't marry her, come back, and live together in Singapore???

Some clarification required please.
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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 13 Jun 2009 1:55 am

NC30. Please go back and read the initial post. This ruling only concerns the 'Work Permit Holder". Do not confuse Work Permit Holder with "Employment Pass Holder".

WP : Work Permit

S Pass: Glorified Work Permit between Work Permit and the Various Employment Passes

Q1 : Lowest level of Employment Pass

P2 : middle level of Employment Pass

P1 : highest level of Employment Pass. Government welcomes you with open arms as it means you earn more than 7K/month and could possible add something to the declining gene pool here. :lol:

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Postby NC30 » Sat, 13 Jun 2009 3:31 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:NC30. Please go back and read the initial post. This ruling only concerns the 'Work Permit Holder". Do not confuse Work Permit Holder with "Employment Pass Holder".

WP : Work Permit

S Pass: Glorified Work Permit between Work Permit and the Various Employment Passes

Q1 : Lowest level of Employment Pass

P2 : middle level of Employment Pass

P1 : highest level of Employment Pass. Government welcomes you with open arms as it means you earn more than 7K/month and could possible add something to the declining gene pool here. :lol:


I understand, but as stated in my example, coming from the CEO = P1
taking on a job as bartender WP = below S$1800(as example) means not able to marry, due to WP-Holder, even if becoming later CEO again = EX-WP?

Or not aware of this rule, you just arrive and accept a job on a WP (for time being, even if you have higher qualifications, and looking for a better job, S-Pass Q1,P2,P1) you still are an EX-WP holder.

This means overall you need at least an S-pass (fixed salary S$1800 to S$ 2500) or above, to qualify to get married to a Singaporean/PR.

Please correct me if i'm wrong.

And what happens if you have none of the above, and want to get married (within the term of your SVP or LTSVP) to a Singaporean and settle down here after marriage??

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Sat, 13 Jun 2009 7:05 am

Again, one more time. If you have ever worked here on a Work Permit you have to get permission from MOM in order to marry. Not sure what you are expecting us to say.

Have you tried calling MOM?

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Postby ksl » Sat, 13 Jun 2009 5:41 pm

NC 30 :And what happens if you have none of the above, and want to get married (within the term of your SVP or LTSVP) to a Singaporean and settle down here after marriage??[/


It's a clear cut case of policy, no one can marry on WP...so always better to ask the authority, how one should approach the problem.

I would believe it is to stop people misusing PR's and Citizens, jut to get in the Country.

If one is on SVP or LTSVP, they would still need permission from the right authority to marry, it is then likely that the person maybe repatriated while the the documentation gets processed or may not, all depends on the rules, a marriage while on a work pass is clearly an offence. Ignorance of the laws are no excuse, it's probably better to ask the authority if you can marry...even though you are married and see what they say, they may say yes you can get married, but your wife will have to be repatriated to the country she came from, until all the documentation has been completed, it could take anything from 6 weeks to 6 months or longer.

Most Countries have strict rules on immigration that's the problem.

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Postby NC30 » Sat, 13 Jun 2009 11:37 pm

ok thanks sms and ksl.

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Postby carteki » Tue, 16 Jun 2009 4:09 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:When a Work Permit holder (female) enters the country and has her pass issued, she is also informed that she cannot marry a Singaporean as long as she is on a work permit AND after she finishes her Work Permit, she has to leave the country. If that isn't enough, Once she has worked in Singapore, by law, she MUST GET PERMISSION to marry a Singaporean.


So this rule only applies if you marry a Singapore Man. What happens if a man marries a SG lady?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 16 Jun 2009 4:40 pm

It actually is genderless. My bad!

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Postby jfc81 » Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:57 pm

from there posts its pretty clear that its difficult to marry a Singaporean if you enter with a work permit. But what if you enter with just a tourist visa?

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 29 Jun 2009 1:48 pm

A tourist visa is not a work permit.

However, if you come here on a tourist visa but had been here in the past on a work permit you would still need permission.

Oh yeah, one other thing.....

If you come here on a tourist visa and marry a citizen here, you will have to sign a statement stating that your marriage will not automatically guarantee you the right of Permanent Residency. I know this for a first hand fact!

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Postby baddot » Tue, 07 Jul 2009 4:11 am

Hi i have some questions,

my wife to be is pregnant and she is holding a work permit and is living with me.

Can i have some professional advise ?

Actually we intend to get married on oct 6 but i just got to know the news yesterday saying that she is pragnent

what should i do now?

seek mom for approval ?

will we it approved easily or will she be banned to not come back in singapore?

my income per year is 40080 and my gf is 24000+ so can it be easily be approved or not ?

can she be a pr as well ?

or only the baby can be the singaporean ?


please advise

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 07 Jul 2009 7:04 am

Two things. If you wife was on a Work Permit (WP) and not an Employment Pass (S,Q,P2,P1). You need permission to marry. Income has absolutely nothing to do with it. WP Holders are not allowed to marry Singaporean. (Male or Female) If you do, she will lose her WP and be ejected from the country in all probability. (If she's pregnant and on a WP she will be ejected from the country soon enough anyway).

And two, It doesn't matter whether the baby is born here or elsewhere, as the girl is not legally married (by Singapore Law) the baby will not be given Singapore Citizenship at birth.

It's rough. I know. As I said, I am currently battling over a similar issue with my Nephew, his Filippina wife and their 1 years old daughter.

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Postby baddot » Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:52 am

so what should i do now ? i really have no idea. By the way she is not a domestic helper her occupation is beautician so will that be easier for approval? and she lives with me does that have any issues on it ?

seek approval from mom now ?

please advise..

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Postby sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:07 pm

In the eyes of MOM, a WP is a WP pure and simple. Doesn't matter if she's a maid, or works as a beautician or is a welder in a shipyard. Also doesn't matter where or who she lives with. You can apply and probably should at least try as soon as possible. But the odds are against you. But if you marry without permission anyway, MOM and ICA will make your life a living hell as my Nephew & his wife can attest to..

Then again, you might get lucky. Who knows. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

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