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Post by very worried » Fri, 24 Jun 2005 5:35 pm

I am an EP holder and have applied for PR. I have included my wife and 1.5 yr old son as well.

The question i have is:
1. In another 15 years, can my son give up his PR to avoid NS ?
2. My PR form is awaiting approval (or rejection)...assuming i get approval, can i take PR only for myself and my wife, and apply for LTSV for my son....and convert it into a student pass when he joins school....

I am worried now, having read male "Singaporeans" views in this forum about NS, and the potential curses my son may hurl upon me when he is 16.5 years old...........

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Post by k1w1 » Fri, 24 Jun 2005 9:35 pm

I would avoid getting PR for your son, especially if you don't plan on leaving here any time soon, and you don't want him to do NS. Are there any benefits to a child having PR that you are worried about? I think you have to renounce you PR before he's 11 years old (?) to avoid NS. Maybe someone else can confirm?

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Post by Pinky » Sat, 25 Jun 2005 5:41 pm

It really depends on how long you plan to stay in Singapore. If you plan to stay here on a perm. basis, apply for your son's PR, if not, don't bother. Put it this way, if you guys plan to stay here for the rest of your lives, your son will grow up with the mindset that he will have to do NS.

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Re: NS blues

Post by tootee » Sun, 26 Jun 2005 6:05 pm

very worried wrote:I am an EP holder and have applied for PR. I have included my wife and 1.5 yr old son as well.

The question i have is:
1. In another 15 years, can my son give up his PR to avoid NS ?
2. My PR form is awaiting approval (or rejection)...assuming i get approval, can i take PR only for myself and my wife, and apply for LTSV for my son....and convert it into a student pass when he joins school....

I am worried now, having read male "Singaporeans" views in this forum about NS, and the potential curses my son may hurl upon me when he is 16.5 years old...........
is doing NS really that bad? geesh..

nobody like to make war or wat, and in sg context, NS is necessary as a tool for the negotiation table should things really go bad with.. erhmm, our neighbours.

if you planned to live here permanently (that including your boy), in my opinion, as a citizen, doing NS is only right as a form of contributing to the society to maintain stability. many would argue NS is just a propaganda tool for PAP.. i wouldnt deny the fact that it does benefit the ruling party in the elections, but that shouldnt have any bearing on a citizen responsibility.

anyway NS is good experience for a young maturing mind.
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Post by briceloh » Sun, 26 Jun 2005 8:27 pm

there will be ppl hurling insults at your son , no matter what age is he. don't have to wait till he enters NS. wat's important is that can your son make the ppls around him feels comfortable? pardon for being rude, if he is an "asshole", either he goes around bullying ppl or he'll start getting his insults sooner than u think. give yur son a chance, show him the right way. not like those who hide and run away from every little responsibilities in life.

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Post by take ltsvp » Mon, 27 Jun 2005 8:27 am

Unless you plan to stay here for good and possibly take citizenship, take PR for yourself and LTSVP for son. You can convert to a student pass later. If you take PR for him and leave by the time he's 12 or so before getting all the educational benefits of being PR it's not a problem to leave and renounce it. If you were still here much later, it will become an issue. Tootee, I think you answered your own question about the problem with NS - NS is a duty for citizens who are defending their country. Few people outside Singapore would feel that it is a reasonable obligation for foreign nationals living here on a PR pass which has to be renewed at regular intervals and can be withdrawn by the government.

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Re: NS blues

Post by Guest » Tue, 28 Jun 2005 9:48 am

tootee wrote:NS is necessary as
a tool for the negotiation table should things really go bad with..
erhmm, our neighbours.

You sound like they typical better-than-thou Singaporean. Open your eyes. Your neighbours are too busy catching up with Singapore to worry about causing mischief. Besides, what would your neighbours want with a crummy island that has no natural resources ?
tootee wrote:anyway NS is good experience for a young maturing mind.
This one has got to be the joke of the year. All NS does to a 'young maturing mind' is to kill off a majority of the neurons in the brain. What can you expect if all you're allowed to do is follow orders blindly without question ?

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