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malaysia no future to see

Post by malaysia no future to see » Tue, 07 Jun 2005 5:59 pm


For those who are already in oversea and live comfortably. There is no reason for you to come back to Malaysia. Life in Malaysia is getting tougher each day.

Frankly, as a Chinese, I don't see there is any future for our next generation.

Another dangerous mentor that people always use is JFK "Don't ask what the country can do for you, ask what you can do for the country".

Is sound nice, but isn't how German Nazi and Japan militarism start the world war using the same mentor? Under the great "ask what you can do for the country".

Patriotism? Yes, I understand how you feel. Your love for the country was spoilt by the political party. Since non-malays will always be a second class citizen, so you are probably the same in any other countries, if not better.

You get cannibalised by your own countrymen, intellectually and professionally.

As someone else advised, be a Global citizen.

Patriotism does not need you to be in Malaysia to work your due. Let no one pointed at you and say you are a traitor if your true intention is to generate good deeds for Malaysia wherever you are.

Save your time about coming back to Malaysia. Nothing will change in Malaysia. At least not even in this lifetime. Racism will still be here to stay, and also everything else.

I think there is such an entrenched discrimination against the Chinese and Indians in Malaysia, that it will take probably a whole generation to undo the damaged.

This is happening in whole spectrum of the Malaysian government, civil service, state governments and universities. Just look at percentage of malays in all these government bodies - 98%……….

A whole generation of malays has been brought up to think that it's their inherited right to own Malaysia. The other races are damned.

I think the malays especially those in power, are scared right now that if they will to compete openly with other races, they will surely be the loser. You will see very strong resistance to hire other races even the most qualified.

The malays are never brought up to compete on even ground. This is fault of previous PM and now the present PM has to tread a balance ground to ensure the malays are not cast away as well as to make Malaysia competitive worldwide.

In US I never met a malay immigrant, though there are thousands of Malaysian Chinese and Indian immigrants. Why? Malays in Malaysia have an easier life where they are literately prince of the land.

We have infrastructure good enough to be considered first world or better. Look at the Cyberjaya, Petronas Twin Towers, Putrajaya?

Gleaming high-rise buildings but also in every city, dirty toilets abound, litter clogging up the drains, public telephones damaged, plus unreliable rubbish collection and disposal. We just treat public facilities badly, not caring about others.

Being an urban dweller myself, I am constantly disheartened by the poor public infrastructure and upkeep in our capital city.

Faulty pedestrian traffic signals, illogical positioning of bus stops, poor public cleanliness, poor quality sidewalks (which are paved using slippery tiles), un-integrated and poorly managed public transportation system, the list goes on.

Your children can't even walk safely along the Kuala Lumpur streets, as they might be bags snatched, kidnapped, murdered, raped, or robbed, as they do not know the jungle laws of Malaysia. The police won't help much as they now have a big pile of corruption cases running after them.

You owe nothing to Malaysia, you pay your due, so live on.

So, my last advice. Don't come back unless you are really suffering in oversea.

I'm sorry this sounds very racist but I think we have to be honest in discussion.


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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 07 Jun 2005 6:26 pm

malaysia no future to see

Part of your problem is you can't read properly. If you could then you wouldn't be here.

The title of this thread is Do u like Singapore?

Frankly speaking speaking, this is a board about Singapore and things dealing with "Singapore" NOT malaysian. Why don't you go find a board in Malaysia to troll on.

You want to talk about malaysia, start a new thread!


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Post by again malaysia no future » Tue, 07 Jun 2005 8:04 pm

During my work experience now in Singapore, I found out that every employee in our company came from Malaysia, including our CEO. They had found a place where they could compete on equal grounds.

In reality, although NEP is officially dead, some of the policies remain favoring one race regardless of need (example education, housing, loan facility etc).

The non-bumis feels that NEP is holding them back (this is true in many cases) in order for the bumis to catch up.

It is sad to think some bumis believe the best way to catching up with the non-bumis is to hold non-bumis back.

Malaysia has lost many able non-bumis to other competing countries (brain drain) and is unable to see the relative advantage of retaining this pool of talents to help them.

What an irony that I experienced less discrimination in foreign country than in my own soil?

After my studies in US, I applied for job there and to my surprise it is unlawful to be discriminatory, employers do not ask your race and religion, and the good things, employment is based sorely on merits regardless of your background, a lot of my friends stay back because the incentives are excellent and the R&D facilities are cutting edge reputation, universities there are really centers for breeding new ideas unlike in Malaysia local universities, where freedom of thoughts are controlled by Acts.

Frankly I have no ideas how we can compete with them when our "think outside the box" culture is oppressed. We say one thing but we do the opposite, the government is sending the wrong signal. In this country, even we have the hardware, we lack human ware.

Border has no meanings nowadays, talents will go where they are demand and appreciated, and one day globalization will break down our Malaysia affirmative actions whether we like it or not.

While I submit that Malaysia is a net loser in this global "brain drain", I think the country has to re-look at its programs to stem the outflow. The sad truth is that what we are attracting the "lower skilled" or "unskilled" types.

Malaysia is the only country in the world where special privileges are shamelessly given to, and accepted by the majority of the population.

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Post by Strong Eagle » Tue, 07 Jun 2005 8:43 pm

Howzat, SMS?

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Post by jpatokal » Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:37 pm

malaysia no future to see wrote:Is sound nice, but isn't how German Nazi...
BZZT, you lost, thanks for playing. High-ho, high-ho, it's off to Rubbish we go...

yes malaysia no future

Post by yes malaysia no future » Wed, 08 Jun 2005 4:46 am


We have always been told, 'Think what you have done for your country and not what your country has done for you.' We know what Chinese has done for the country. What has the country done to Chinese?

I want to further add that we have also to look at the composition of the contract workers, managers, staff, subcontractors and suppliers. On top of these, we have also to look at the number of scholarships given out.

What we have learnt thus far is that over 90 percent of overseas scholarships awarded by government-linked companies (GLCs) have been given to one race, even though there are more deserving and qualified applicants from other races.

What we have to understand is that government-owned entities, like Tenaga Nasional Berhad, Telekom, and Petronas are just government departments run in a privatised manner i.e. like a business corporation. Hence, their policies are no different from any other government agency which mean they strictly adhere to Umno policies.

However, the big problem in this beautiful country is Umno's agenda, of which quality is not the essence, quantity is.

In every aspect of Malaysian life this is true. With that kind of mentality, kickback is the name of the game. Every contract and every business has to hike up price tags so that a great number of well-connected individuals will get a cut and become instant millionaires.

We were witness to the cancer of corruption, now lovingly called 'money politics', in the recently concluded Umno elections. And Umno is home to three quarters of the cabinet. Tell me, how do you save this country?

Simple, compare it with a country that is worse of than us and pat ourselves on the back and carry on as usual. You are right, we don't have to go far to learn, our southern neighbour is a good example of how to do things right.

But again, how can we emulate them, we don't practice the meritocracy that the rest of the world practices, but some new type only our education ministry is familiar with.

When all is said and done, it boils down to just one thing. The Never Ending Policy (NEP) of the government. It will always be a source of Never Ending Problems for all of us.



Post by Guest » Sat, 11 Jun 2005 10:19 am

what an insightful post... :!:

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Post by Frightened Msian abroad » Thu, 16 Jun 2005 5:56 pm

Something received through email...

I have been meaning to pen some thoughts for some time now, to let people actually read the views of the typical ‘overseas Malaysian’ who is kept away. I realise that my email is rather long, but I do hope that you would consider publishing it (and also keep my name private!).
I shall start by telling a little about my background. Mine is a rather sad tale – of a young Malaysian full of hope and patriotic enthusiasm, which is slowly but surely trickling away.
I am very different from many other non-bumiputeras, as I was given tremendous opportunities throughout my childhood. Born into a middle-class Chinese but English-speaking family, I grew up with all the privileges of imported books, computers, piano/violin lessons and tuition teachers.
My parents insisted that I should be exposed to a multi-racial education in a national school. In my time, my urban national school (a missionary school) was a truly happy place – where the Malays, Chinese and Indian students were roughly equal in proportion. We played and laughed with each other, and studied the history of the world together during Form 4, with one interesting chapter dedicated to Islamic history.
Though 75% of my teachers were Malays, I never really noticed. My Malay teachers were the kindest to me – teaching me well and offering me every possible opportunity to develop. I led the district teams for English and Bahasa Malaysia debating competitions. I was the only non-Malay finalist in the Bahasa Malaysian state-level elocution competition. My Malay teachers encouraged me to transfer to a government residential school (sekolah berasrama penuh) so as to enable me to maximise my academic potential. I refused because I was happy where I was, so they made me head prefect and nominated me as a ‘Tokoh Pelajar Kebangsaan’. Till this day, I am absolutely certain that it was the kindness of all my Malay teachers which made me a true Malaysian.
I excelled at school and was offered a Singaporean government scholarship to study overseas. I turned them down because I wanted to ensure that I would remain a ‘true Malaysian’ in the eyes of Malaysia. So I accepted a Malaysian government scholarship to study at Oxford University. Throughout my three years as an undergraduate, the officers at the MSD looked after me very well, and was always there to offer support.
I graduated with first class honours, and was offered a job with a leading investment bank. The JPA released me from my bond, so as to enable me to develop my potential. I shall always be grateful for that. I worked hard and rose in rank. My employer sent to me to Harvard University for postgraduate study and I climbed further up their meritocratic ladder.
Now I am 31 years old and draw a comfortable monthly salary of US$22,000. Yet, I yearn to return home. I miss my home, my family, my friends, my Malaysian hawker food and the life in Malaysia. I have been asked many times by Singaporean government agencies to join them on very lucrative terms, but I have always refused due to my inherent patriotism.
I really want to return home. I have been told by government-linked corporations and private companies in Malaysia that at best, I would still have to take a 70% pay cut if I return to Malaysia to work. I am prepared and willing to accept that. My country has done a lot for me, so I should not complain about money.
But of late, my idealistic vision of my country has really come crashing down, harder and faster than ever before.
I read about the annual fiasco involving non-bumiputera top scorers who are denied entry to critical courses at local universities and are offered forestry and fisheries instead. (My cousin scored 10A1’s for SPM and yet was denied a scholarship).
I read about UMNO Youth attacking the so-called meritocracy system because there are less than 60% of Malay students in law and pharmacy, whilst conveniently keeping silent about the fact that 90% of overseas scholarship recipients are Malays and that Malays form the vast majority in courses like medicine, accountancy and engineering at local universities.
I read about the Higher Education Minister promising that non-bumiputera Malaysians will never ever step foot into UiTM.
I read about a poor Chinese teacher’s daughter with 11A1’s being denied a scholarship, while I know some Malay friends who scored 7A’s and whose parents are millionaires being given scholarships.
I read about the brilliant Prof. K.S. Jomo, who was denied a promotion to Senior Professor (not even to Head of Department), although he was backed by references from three Nobel Prize winners. Of course, his talent is recognised by a prestigious appointment at the United Nations.
I read about UMNO Youth accusing Chinese schools of being detrimental to racial integration, while demanding that Mara Junior Science Colleges and other residential schools be kept only for Malays.
I read about the Malay newspaper editors attacking the private sector for not appointing enough Malays to senior management level, whilst insisting that the government always ensure that Malays dominate anything government-related.
I read that at our local universities, not a single Vice-Chancellor or Deputy Vice-Chancellor is non-Malay.
I read that in the government, not a single Secretary-General of any ministry is non-Malay. The same goes for all government agencies like the police, armed forces, etc.
I read about UMNO screaming for the Malay Agenda, but accusing everyone else of racism for whispering about equality.
I read about a poor Indian lady having to pay full price for a low-cost house after being dispossessed from a plantation, whilst Malay millionaires demand their 10% bumiputera discount when buying RM2 million bungalows in a gated community.
I read about my beloved national schools becoming more and more Islamic by the day, enforced by overzealous principals.
I read about my Form 4 World History (Sejarah Dunia) syllabus, which now contains only one chapter of world history, with Islamic history covering the rest of the book.
As I read all this, I tremble with fear. I love my country and long to return. I am willing to take a 70% pay cut. I am willing to face a demotion. I honestly want to contribute my expertise in complex financial services and capital markets. But really, is there a future for me, for my children and for their children? I am truly frightened.
I can deal with the lack of democracy, the lack of press freedom, the ISA, our inefficient and bureaucratic civil service, our awful manners and even a little corruption. But I cannot deal with racism in my homeland.
I think this is the single biggest factor which is keeping people like myself away. And bear in mind – there are so many of us (researchers, scientists, bankers, economists, lawyers, academics, etc.). What people read about in Malaysia (like Dr Terence Gomez) is but the tiniest tip of the iceberg. You will be amazed to know about Malaysians denied JPA scholarships (which would have made them civil servants), took loans to attend Ivy League universities, but who are later asked to advise our government (on IT, economics, etc.) at fees running to millions of US dollars. Such information will never be published because it is politically incorrect.
As a Christian, I pray for God’s blessing on this great country of ours. I pray that He blesses our leaders with the foresight and humanity to see that this will not work and cannot continue. I pray that they will have the strength to make our country a home for all Malaysians and that they will have mercy for the poor, including the non-Malays. I pray for true racial harmony and acceptance (not just tolerance) in Malaysia.

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Post by a non-asian » Sun, 26 Jun 2005 2:15 pm

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. But is anyone doing anything about it? Is anyone trying to take action???

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Post by briceloh » Sun, 26 Jun 2005 8:38 pm

a non-asian wrote:Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. But is anyone doing anything about it? Is anyone trying to take action???
how do u take action is a country that controls everything that chinese tries to do? i think someone from malaysia who knws the law better than me have to write something here. it's not like in singapore when u have the right brain and some money, u can start anything that u think is legal (of course if it's not legal, u'll get caught someday).


Post by anonymous(aus) » Fri, 08 Jul 2005 10:11 pm

F*****K interesting shit


I agree with Frightened Msian abroad

Post by Warrior » Sat, 30 Jul 2005 2:59 am

I feel the same. Everyday I wake up in a foreign land thinking what it would be like back at home. I am still young and just graduated with my Masters degree. I constantly reminded myself that I will work here in Australia and make it my second home. Most likely, I will walk a path similar to yours and also similar to many Malaysian Chinese who "are forced" to go overseas in order to study what they really want.

Many of my friends went back though. They are patriotic and life is definitely much easier for them back at home. I speak better English than them so I have a better chance here to succeed. By equal, I mean I can be anything I want to be without any hidrance by law (which includes chooseing what I want to study at Uni). I am patriotic too. I love that country man.

But many of us are hit by reality when we are fighting for a place in local universities, which were supposed to be a right for everyone (at least elsewhere in the world). Then the thought of "does my next generation want to go through this again? Or perhaps worse" comes up. The feeling of anger and love at the same time for your home country is the most painful thing. You ponder it sometimes and then try to go with the flow. Then other times you just feel betrayed and want to either make a change in the political scene or cut off ties completely. The latter never comes because you have so much attachment and memories. I liken this feeling to the feeling of a kid who was brought up by his parents and then found out that he was adopted and his actual parents' death were in some way caused by the current parent. But the love is true right? How come you feel betrayed?

However, one should remain positive. Aside from some small-minded Malays, there are plenty who want to make a change. These brothers share the same vision as Chinese and Indians who want an even more united Malaysia. We barely scratched the surface of our potential. Living in Australia, I can only say that Malaysia is truly a country of "cultures". It probably defines multicultural best.

If you take a step away from the political scene in Malaysia, there are other aspects worth being proud about. Our peace and modernisation is unrivaled by other South East Asia nations. The ony reason is because we are not that bad after all. If it weren't for the affirmative action, many tragedies like what happened in Indonesia in 1998 would happen. Things could have been much worse. And where else in the world can you find Culture + Nature + Friendly People + Modern City? Malaysians are probably the most down-to-earth people around according to expats. We do not put out a smile to attract tourists but we just want to smile. There are many great challenges that Malays, Chinese and Indians (and other races) went through in order to achieve somewhat a balance that we have today.

Trust me, it is not that bad. You can start from 40 years back, and see our progress today.

So what will I do now? I am still not sure. Many people here (in Australia) tell me how beautiful Malaysia in many respects. Some lived there before their parents migrated (usually our country is a bridge for them to travel from their country of origin to their targetted country) whereas others travelled there and got hooked to it. Even before I came here to study, I was a part-time tutor in Malaysia and 2 of my students were from England. They later migrated to Australia. Before they left, I had lunch with them and they mentioned how much they will miss our country and were relunctant to leave as their boyfriends were here. And I am sure they will be back.

I hold no grudges against Malays. But I hope the far-sighted ones who emulate the feats of Tun Mahathir Mohammed can contribute to the change in UMNO. On a side note, I will be starting a business soon and will be working with some Malay entrepreneurs on our strategic alliance. These are people who worked hard. They may have gotten aid by the Government and before that may have had a place reserved in Uni but they still had to work hard in order to reap the benefits.

But I stand by my stance: "Get rid off the special privileges for everybody's sake". If Chinese and Indians left Malaysia, Malaysia would lose its uniqueness and I can think of many things that would be worsened. The efforts of our forefathers all wasted by a small group of Malays who do not want change. Can you imagine a Malaysia without Chinese, Indians and other races? I certainly can't. Why should we leave anyway, we all built this country.

Well that was my political view. I am still young but that is my take on it. What is your view?

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