Did it ever happen?

[Mat]

When talking with friends or checking this site it is clear that the 2 main concerns of people who are considering to apply for PR are
1/ to have to pay CPF and possibly reduce their standard of living
2/ to send their son for 2 years in the army.
As a potential candidate for PR I have to admit that these 2 questions are also important to me.

But then I would like to know, did it ever happen? Do you know examples of "real" expatriates who had to send their boys to the army?
When talking about "real" expatriates I think about people like Europeans or Americans. Not that I consider that (for example) Indians or Asians are fake expatriates but their way of living, culture, etc, make them less different from Singaporeans. So I assume that an Asian boy whose father applied for PR will fit better in the NS system than a Caucasian. And I just wonder if the system is prepared to handle possible problems created by these few "black sheep" in the herd... Or if they just don't ask them to come.

Any examples to show me I am wrong? I would be interested to read!

[Ann_]

I seen few Europeans in local military form, yes it's real. One my friend from Serbia, also serve in NS.

[Guest]

some are Whitehorses (sons of affluent riches and ministers' sons), foreigners are known as Brownhorses. Different treatment in NS from the sons of the middle and working classes.

Coy A is famously and widely known as the 'Scholars' Company'.

[An Asian S'pore PR]

Mat (real-expat ??),

You said, ".....Indians or Asians are fake expatriates but their way of living, culture, etc, make them less different from Singaporeans. So I assume that an Asian boy whose father applied for PR will fit better in the NS system than a Caucasian...."

Can you explain how are these "Indian or Asians" are "fake expat"??

"real-expat" like you wnat to be PR to enjoy the benifits of a PR; dont like to put aside the burden of NS to Indian-Asians.....

Dman shit...!!!
How could one write such noncense thing in this forum... is this the example of "real expat" mentality .?


An Asian PR

[to An Asian S'pore PR]

Please cool down...

Sorry but I think you totally misunderstood me!!

I said: Not that I consider that (for example) Indians or Asians are fake expatriates...

Yes I am an expat. Not from Asia, but I do love this place and people. I also have good Asian friends. That's why I also consider to become PR.

I am afraid that people like you who over react before they finished to listen to what others have to say will not improve the situation! Please stop thinking that all white faces are arrogant and try to take only advantages.

Then you say:
"real-expat" like you want to be PR to enjoy the benefits of a PR; dont like to put aside the burden of NS to Indian-Asians.....

And I answer you:
When I apply for PR, the 2 years - what you call burden, not my term - are for my boys, not me. Is that something I should not consider? It's my decision, not theirs.

Hope you could read it properly this time.

Mat

[Guest]

Personally I think 2 years NS is a good thing.

Of course it's tuff, if you're not used to any discipline, but it surely gives you an insight into, what you can do if you try.

I trained recruits for 3 years, and you wouldn't believe the lack of confidence and experience young people have.

In terms of survivability and man management and personal growth, 2 years is a very short time, where one can develop the skills needed for civillian life..

15 years in regular service, endowed me with the skill to rely on myself and not to be burdened with bosses I do not repect.

I am my own man, simply because there are not many civillians that can live up to my standards, so it's better alone.

No such think has i cannot do it on time, or i will be late, Problems must be solved and not passed over with excuses. NS helps to enlighten one to real time problems and how to solve them.

[bizcatalyst]

1/ to have to pay CPF and possibly reduce their standard of living
2/ to send their son for 2 years in the army.
As a potential candidate for PR I have to admit that these 2 questions are also important to me.

Paying CPF: That depends on your employment. First year, it's 5%. I think it is quite negligible. Subsequently, you are on the same scale as Singaporean and PR.
There is a way around CPF if you are a consultant. Consultants generally work on contract. And normally contract does not include CPF.

Natianal service: Well, this is very personal. If you feel uncomfortable that yr children have to go through NS. You can pack them back before NS starts caling them. That also means your kids can't remain as PR if they choose to return to yr country of origin.
If your kids really love Singapore so much that they can't bear to part, then they have to go through 2 years of NS......
Alternatively, they can return as a professional and apply for PR like everyone else.

Good luck.

Bizcatalyst