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Movie philosophy

Post by Kimi » Sat, 30 Apr 2005 3:18 pm

Saw Matrix on HBO channel just now and it reminded me of the philosophy behind Matrix a friend told me about.

Interesting Notes on the Mythology behind the characters in Matrix:

Morpheus is the God of Sleep and Dreams.
Zion is generally accepted as an imaginary place of perfection, however it
is also the reference to Jerusalem in the Bible.

A little more on (the) Nebuchanezzar:
He was the greatest king of babylon, but he was also the king who destroys
Jerusalem (Zion) and takes the Israelites into exile (not slavery - this is
different than the exodus). Also, the ship' s name plate says Nebuchanezzar
- Mark III - no. 11. And in the Bible Mark 3;11 says " Whenever the unclean
spirits saw him, they fell down before him and shouted, " You are the Son of

The Merovingian Order is a set of the Knights Templar whose mission is to
protect and preserve the holy grail. In the case of the film, the holy grail
could be the keymaker, becuase like the myth of the grail allowing one to
reach salvation/god, the keymaker' s key can allow the One to reach the

Persephone is the daughter of Zeus (The Architect). According to the myth,
Hades (king of the underworld - Merovingian?) abducted Persephone and made
her his wife, only to neglect her and see her flee from him.

"Love is a verb not a feeling.
Love is something you do.

The sacrifices you make of giving yourself just like a mother bringing a newborn child into this world.
The love that she has for the child because of what she went through to produce it."

Might not be the exact words, even though it's the same idea and the first sentence is the same in The Matrix Revolutions.

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Post by minhwa » Sun, 01 May 2005 11:12 am

always interesting to discuss philosophy.

further to the matrix (and similar shows) are how 'plugged' in we are to the System, ie. the System of capitalism - study hard, get good job, buy make up, buy nice clothes, get credit card, buy car, buy house, find wife, find husband, annual vacation, ..

everyone falls in nicely to the model of make money, spend money.

life should be constructive, as oppose to sitting around idling away, but, there are many other ways to live. indeed, each to his own, but just like the matrix, u feel something is wrong, but u r not sure what, .. meanwhile, u just do what everyone else is doing.

anyway .. too long to go on, .. kimi and anyone else, interested to meet up over drinks and have a intellectual wrestle?

kimi, yr line abt love was a show stopper. i havent fully fathom it yet, but the impression is strong. would be great if we can talk abt it with others in a little philosophy tete a tete ..
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Post by Kimi » Sun, 01 May 2005 4:47 pm

I can listen no longer in silence. I must speak to you by such means as are within my reach.
You pierce my soul. I am half agony, half hope.
Tell me not that I am too late, that such precious feelings are gone for ever.
I offer myself to you again with a heart even more your own than when you almost broke it, eight years and a half ago.
Dare not say that man forgets sooner than woman, that his love has an earlier death. I have loved none but you.
Unjust I may have been, weak and resentful I have been, but never inconstant.

You alone have brought me to Bath. For you alone I think and plan.
Have you not seen this? Can you fail to have understood my wishes? I had not waited even these ten days, could I have read your feelings, as I think you must have penetrated mine.
I can hardly write. I am every instant hearing something which overpowers me.
You sink your voice, but I can distinguish the tones of that voice when they would be lost on others.
Too good, too excellent creature!
You do us justice, indeed. You do believe that there is true attachment and constancy among men.
Believe it to be most fervent, most undeviating,
in F. W.
I must go, uncertain of my fate; but I shall return hither, or follow your party, as soon as possible.
A word, a look will be enough to decide whether I enter your father's house this evening or never.

-- Persuasion --

Sacrifice: that boundless resolve, no longer limitable in any direction, to achieve one's purest inner possibility.
~ R.M. Rilke

" There is no such thing as right and wrong, there' s just popular opinion."
-Twelve Monkeys

I probably should start a movie quote thread instead I wonder...

As for the line "Love is a verb", I suppose it is in line with the idea that things are proven more truly by action rather than mere words, do you reckon?
Besides who can really describe what love is ay? Some would say it has something to do with the chemicals between the two people, some would use their logic in categorising the significant other to be the wife/hubby material, some would just rely on their emotion, some fell in love and then fall out of love which brings the "soulmate" idea into doubt, etc.

Would fancy meeting up really esp. since I'm new to Singapore, but then again I reckon it's better to meet up after we talk to each other here either on the posts or PMs to have things to talk about instead of just making ourselves pissed since there is nothing else to do :lol:
I don't drink much, but a good White Russian like I once found in this Irish pub, The Dubliners, in Tokyo would be fancy 8)
Any of The Dubliners here?


Post by s » Mon, 02 May 2005 1:41 pm

The Silence of the Lambs (1991) is one of the most taut, suspenseful, psychological thrillers ever produced. Director Jonathan Demme's superbly-crafted, harrowing film is dark, moody, somber, and truly frightening, yet exhilarating.

The most compelling part of the film is in the developing dynamics of their participation in a cat-and-mouse battle of nerves, and the many chilling, spell binding discussions in four scenes between them. Their relationship dances and alternates back and forth between psychopath/aspiring female agent, deranged psychologist/therapeutic patient, and father/daughter.

Sweeping all five major Academy Awards ("Oscars" for Best Movie, Director, Actor, Actress, Screenplay) is quite an accomplishment. Doing it nearly a year after a film was released is a miracle considering the notoriously short attention span of Oscar voters.

It is a powerful example of how great a movie can be when superb writers, directors, actors, and others work at the top of their craft.

`Silence of the Lambs' is the story of a young FBI trainee Clarice Starling (Jodie Foster) who is summoned to help find one serial killer called `Buffalo Bill.' by interviewing another. Foster's performance is absolutely brilliant.

While Anthony Hopkins receives most of the (well-deserved) praise for his chilling portrayal of incarcerated serial killer `Hannibal 'the Cannibal' Lector', it is Foster's performance that holds the movie together. The fear she shows just behind her eyes makes Clarice's outward courage all the more interesting and vulnerable.

This is the perfect way to play the part because it explains Lector's interest in Clarice. Her only bargaining chip in getting Lector's help is to let him `feed' on her innermost secrets and fears in exchange for his brilliant insights into the psychotic mind. The title of the movie comes from these exchanges and is very poignant.

Director Jonathan Demme is masterful. There is one scene late in the movie that I will not spoil. It is one of the most simply brilliant scenes ever staged in a movie.

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