NS deferment process for SC never resided

[pomerblue]

I've looked over most of the posts and would like to offer another unique scenario that I haven't seen. It's near impossible to get clear guidance from any official source.

Son was born in the US. Wife is USC and I am Singaporean. Grandparents very much wanted grandkids to be Singaporean citizen so I very naively, ignorantly, uneducatedly applied for SC for my son via decent. I take full blame for the situation and still cant figure out why it's my son that has to suffer the consequence of my actions.

Son has had a Singapore passport that expired when he was 10. Never renewed it since. Never resided in Singapore, never benefited from schools or healthcare or otherwise. I have given him the choice to return to serve but understandably it is not something he would logically choose to do. I want to do this the right way but am not sure what the right way is. I can defer till he's 16.5 and will pay bonds and whatever else is necessary but what happens from there?

Can he still defer for University level education? IF not, what options are there?

The hope is to defer till 21 and subsequently renounce. He loves his heritage and grandparents but abandoning his life and going to a foreign country to serve in the army is tough.

How do I properly navigate this process so he can continue to embrace his heritage and be able to see his family without the fear of any repercussions of my mistake.

[malcontent]

You never mentioned your son’s current age? If you’ve read the other posts on this, you know he has a very brief window to ‘cleanse himself’ of the ‘sins of his father’.

Honestly, if you want him to embrace his heritage, doing NS is a great way to do that. My nephew said he even has an ang moh in troop. I quizzed him on the Hokkien he’d learned and apparently it’s a very different NS than the past. I honestly wish I had made my son do NS… seeing his cousins go through it, they became far more mature and tough minded.

[NYY1]

I don't think it is any different than a minor who immigrated at young age. In addition to the child's age and the required steps, the other factor is your own citizenship. Regardless of where the child has resided and what he's benefitted/not benefitted from, I don't think they will let just the child (defer and then) renounce.

Someone can correct the above if it is wrong. However, I believe these cases involved the parent(s) obtaining foreign nationality/losing SC as well.

[pomerblue]

will let just the child (defer and then) renounce.

I do think there is heavy consideration on the benefits enjoyed by the citizen or resident especially school and other welfare. again, it's all anecdotal, no clear framework to work with.

[pomerblue]

You never mentioned your son’s current age? If you’ve read the other posts on this, you know he has a very brief window to ‘cleanse himself’ of the ‘sins of his father’.

Honestly, if you want him to embrace his heritage, doing NS is a great way to do that. My nephew said he even has an ang moh in troop. I quizzed him on the Hokkien he’d learned and apparently it’s a very different NS than the past. I honestly wish I had made my son do NS… seeing his cousins go through it, they became far more mature and tough minded.

he's 12.5...you mention this window to absolve himself..can you elaborate? I will continue to look through posts that reference this as well.

yeah, I have been subtly hinting to him about the idea of doing NS but uprooting his entire life and leaving everything behind to go to another country is not something that comes instinctively. I am leaving the choice to him ultimately but I need to do what I can in anticipation.

[NYY1]

will let just the child (defer and then) renounce.

I do think there is heavy consideration on the benefits enjoyed by the citizen or resident especially school and other welfare. again, it's all anecdotal, no clear framework to work with.

It is certainly one of the considerations. However, based on both of your replies, I'd suggest that you read more. Good luck.

[pomerblue]

will let just the child (defer and then) renounce.

I do think there is heavy consideration on the benefits enjoyed by the citizen or resident especially school and other welfare. again, it's all anecdotal, no clear framework to work with.

It is certainly one of the considerations. However, based on both of your replies, I'd suggest that you read more. Good luck.

I'm reading every page now, some of the comments are super helpful but somewhat dated. not quite sure if the same processes still hold true today. but I'm going to keep at it. always appreciate the responses. every reply sheds a bit more light on the path.

[NYY1]

I do think there is heavy consideration on the benefits enjoyed by the citizen or resident especially school and other welfare. again, it's all anecdotal, no clear framework to work with.

It is certainly one of the considerations. However, based on both of your replies, I'd suggest that you read more. Good luck.

I'm reading every page now, some of the comments are super helpful but somewhat dated. not quite sure if the same processes still hold true today. but I'm going to keep at it. always appreciate the responses. every reply sheds a bit more light on the path.

My suggestion is to read a bit more and then get in contact with MINDEF/CMPB as soon as possible (like next week or at the latest, by the end of the month).

While I understand your position and what you'd like to happen, IMHO the facts and circumstances are not on your side, but I could be wrong.

Anyways, it doesn't really matter what you or I think. All you can do is find out what their position is and then make the best decision you can at that point. There's no point in complaining about whether it's fair or what else you could have done in the past (can't change that).

Good luck.

[malcontent]

he's 12.5...you mention this window to absolve himself..can you elaborate? I will continue to look through posts that reference this as well.

So you don’t know anything… it is merely a coincidence that you are posting on this forum just as your son is approaching age 13?

More details used exist on this forum… some likely redacted due to the sensitive nature.

[Mad Scientist]

I've looked over most of the posts and would like to offer another unique scenario that I haven't seen. It's near impossible to get clear guidance from any official source.

Son was born in the US. Wife is USC and I am Singaporean. Grandparents very much wanted grandkids to be Singaporean citizen so I very naively, ignorantly, uneducatedly applied for SC for my son via decent. I take full blame for the situation and still cant figure out why it's my son that has to suffer the consequence of my actions.

Son has had a Singapore passport that expired when he was 10. Never renewed it since. Never resided in Singapore, never benefited from schools or healthcare or otherwise. I have given him the choice to return to serve but understandably it is not something he would logically choose to do. I want to do this the right way but am not sure what the right way is. I can defer till he's 16.5 and will pay bonds and whatever else is necessary but what happens from there?

Can he still defer for University level education? IF not, what options are there?

The hope is to defer till 21 and subsequently renounce. He loves his heritage and grandparents but abandoning his life and going to a foreign country to serve in the army is tough.

How do I properly navigate this process so he can continue to embrace his heritage and be able to see his family without the fear of any repercussions of my mistake.

OP, just saw this.
So... you stuffed up, eh ?If you have done NS, you should have known better!!
Speaking from experience, there is never the right or the wrong way. It is how you see things holistically aka bigger picture
List the pro and cons for him and your family
Discuss these matters with him. This is crucial
You will be surprise that your child will understand the issue on hand
You will never get the best of both world. It is this or that and both have its pros and cons
I know coz the guidelines were done by us way back in the 80s
Once you decide, stick to it

Me personally based on your story, once he passed age of 13 , Sayonara. He has to serve. Deferment only extends his time overseas. The hassle with bond blah blah blah is just a nightmare and he still has to come back and serve.
If you as family decided to screw this tiny red dot.
Forgo everything you got in this tiny red dot
Then deed poll and third citizen comes to play

I have seen times and again on both sides of the arguments. No one wins unless you are prepared to understand the implication