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Seeking advise: Applied Singapore PR in July 2024 under new system

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Seeking advise: Applied Singapore PR in July 2024 under new system

Post by Jk2025 » Sat, 01 Mar 2025 5:55 pm

Hi members,

I applied my SG PR application in July 2024 under new system and got rejected results yesterday ( Feb 2025)
I would request you all to please review our profile for Singapore PR. What went wrong and what can we do to improve our chances.

Details
Nationality: Indian
Applied as family: husband and wife
Age : 32 both
Occupation: husband ( software engineer) and wife( cyber security engineer) with 200k annual household income
Work experience: husband -3 years in Singapore currently on EP ( big MNC) and 3 years in India
Wife: 4 years India, 1.5 years Singapore, currently on EP( big MNC)

Education: husband did Masters from NTU and currently doing part-time PhD from NTU, and under MOE service obligation.
Wife: masters from India

Stay: husband in Singapore from jan 2019 and staying for 6 years
Wife : stayed for 1.5 years in Singapore before applying for PR

Volunteer activities: none, as I don't have time because of my research job and PhD.also feels like everyone is doing such activities for the sake of getting PR.

Scientific contributions: patents and papers
Letter of recommendation: from local Singaporeans and entrepreneurs.

Please advise.
Also if the appeal will be a good idea??

Thankyou so much!!
by Strong Eagle » Sat, 01 Mar 2025 10:50 pm
As I have stated multiple times, the gahmen never reveals the scoring process that gets you in or out, and it will never reveal your exact scores, nor in what categories, that caused them to give you a black ball. All you ever get is "We're sorry, your application is unsuccessful... blah, blah, blah."

But if you want me and others to SPECULATE or GUESS, or even make up some wild ass shit, in an attempt to answer your question, "What went wrong and what can we do to improve our chances," I suppose that we can toss out our ideas, from mild to wild.

But before I do, I should warn you that the information you provided is not nearly sufficient to really offer you a good speculation, or even a good guess. So many things are missing. Your origins in India. What flavor of Indian are you? Your criminal history. Your travel and visa history. The number of brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, mothers, fathers, grandmothers, grandfathers, and other assorted hangers on who would all rely upon you to get them a visa to get into Singapore. No mention of children that you have or don't have.

What sort of "reputed" uni did you and your wife graduate from? Has that uni ever been caught up in a diploma scandal? How many times have you moved and for what reason? What were you doing before hitting the big time in an MNC? How did you get your EP's to work for an MNC in Singapore? What is your level of employment at the "big MNC"? Are you a grunt, mid level manager, director, or 'C' level mover and shaker? Have you had any breaks in your residence or employment that took you back to India? Or somewhere else?

I could go on but the point is that there is far more that we don't know about you than what we do know about you. Based on that understanding, here are my SWAG's.

Your group problems:
  1. You're Indian. After opening the floodgates in the early 2000's with a resultant backlash from the general population for a variety of reasons, you've already got minus points just for being in this group. Check this excellent thread to learn all about Indians in Singapore. viewtopic.php?f=78&t=157643&p=897914#p897913
  2. Too many Indians use Singapore PR to get where they really want to go, whether that's Australia, the US, or the EU. I am in no way judging this, in fact, it might be a great strategy, but my guess is that the gahmen keeps close track of PR's that have been given up, by ethnicity. It's a numbers game.
  3. You're in the IT world, as are another few hundred million of your compatriots. There are a heap of people with the same skills as you, all trying to get into the lifeboat. You don't stand out. It becomes the luck of the draw.
  4. The gahmen operates on numbers. You missed the gate because the PR bus is already full up for your ethnic flavor or skill set (see above). Or, the gahmen has decided to focus on some specialty, leaving slots open for someone else with different skills, so say goodbye to your slot.
Your personal problems:
  1. You work for MNC's. MNC's have a habit of moving their best and brightest all over creation; if you're on a career fast track, you know that you could be promoted and moved to Kuala Lumpur next week. You cannot demonstrate staying power. This is especially true if you're in a higher level position.
  2. You're too educated. This puts you in demand. It reduces your staying power (see above). The gahmen likes nice, run of the mill, people to fit in all their socially organized boxes. You're an outlier.
  3. You don't have children, at least I don't think you do. Another negative point for stability and staying power. You're DINK's... dual income, no kids, and DINK's are highly mobile with no worries about school and childhood friends.
  4. Your salaries aren't exceptional for your degree level and years of experience, in fact, they're sort of average.
That's my SWAG. Now, you may say, "That's a load of bullshit," and you may be right because, like you, I don't know anything about how the gahmen scored you, and unlike you, I have no insight into your personal history. You can see why asking what went wrong on a forum board isn't going to be very productive.

You asked if an appeal would be advisable, and I ask, "On what grounds?" Have you changed your underwear? Or maybe because your MNC will issue you a letter guaranteeing that you will remain in Singapore for your employment? The first change is useless, the second, if you could actually get it, might be material. Have you had children in the last couple of months? That could make quite a difference. Are there gaps in employment or residence that you have inadequately covered? Have you gotten a big increase in salary or a promotion (although those two could be a double edge sword)?

Point is, if there is no material change, an appeal won't be successful. My PR was denied the first time I applied. I realized they didn't know the extent of my business. I prepared a detailed list of how many Singaporeans were employed, how much money I billed and brought into Singapore, what sorts of training I provided, and within a week my appeal was successful.

Times have greatly changed since my time in Singapore and I doubt I'd get to start my business again, let alone get PR. I'm probably part of your problem. I'm a guy who gave up PR when the global recession killed my business and rearranged global patterns in... wait for it... information technology... I ran a project management company specializing in IT infrastructure refresh and managed services implementation.

It's best to approach your situation with a sense of realism. To me, you'd be an asset in any country, and I am a rabid supporter of higher education. But clearly, the gahmen has decided that there's something about you such that they are unable to stuff you into one of their predefined boxes that they think helps maintain social order and longevity. Good luck in figuring out what that is.
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Re: Seeking advise: Applied Singapore PR in July 2024 under new system

Post by Strong Eagle » Sat, 01 Mar 2025 10:50 pm

As I have stated multiple times, the gahmen never reveals the scoring process that gets you in or out, and it will never reveal your exact scores, nor in what categories, that caused them to give you a black ball. All you ever get is "We're sorry, your application is unsuccessful... blah, blah, blah."

But if you want me and others to SPECULATE or GUESS, or even make up some wild ass shit, in an attempt to answer your question, "What went wrong and what can we do to improve our chances," I suppose that we can toss out our ideas, from mild to wild.

But before I do, I should warn you that the information you provided is not nearly sufficient to really offer you a good speculation, or even a good guess. So many things are missing. Your origins in India. What flavor of Indian are you? Your criminal history. Your travel and visa history. The number of brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, mothers, fathers, grandmothers, grandfathers, and other assorted hangers on who would all rely upon you to get them a visa to get into Singapore. No mention of children that you have or don't have.

What sort of "reputed" uni did you and your wife graduate from? Has that uni ever been caught up in a diploma scandal? How many times have you moved and for what reason? What were you doing before hitting the big time in an MNC? How did you get your EP's to work for an MNC in Singapore? What is your level of employment at the "big MNC"? Are you a grunt, mid level manager, director, or 'C' level mover and shaker? Have you had any breaks in your residence or employment that took you back to India? Or somewhere else?

I could go on but the point is that there is far more that we don't know about you than what we do know about you. Based on that understanding, here are my SWAG's.

Your group problems:
  1. You're Indian. After opening the floodgates in the early 2000's with a resultant backlash from the general population for a variety of reasons, you've already got minus points just for being in this group. Check this excellent thread to learn all about Indians in Singapore. viewtopic.php?f=78&t=157643&p=897914#p897913
  2. Too many Indians use Singapore PR to get where they really want to go, whether that's Australia, the US, or the EU. I am in no way judging this, in fact, it might be a great strategy, but my guess is that the gahmen keeps close track of PR's that have been given up, by ethnicity. It's a numbers game.
  3. You're in the IT world, as are another few hundred million of your compatriots. There are a heap of people with the same skills as you, all trying to get into the lifeboat. You don't stand out. It becomes the luck of the draw.
  4. The gahmen operates on numbers. You missed the gate because the PR bus is already full up for your ethnic flavor or skill set (see above). Or, the gahmen has decided to focus on some specialty, leaving slots open for someone else with different skills, so say goodbye to your slot.
Your personal problems:
  1. You work for MNC's. MNC's have a habit of moving their best and brightest all over creation; if you're on a career fast track, you know that you could be promoted and moved to Kuala Lumpur next week. You cannot demonstrate staying power. This is especially true if you're in a higher level position.
  2. You're too educated. This puts you in demand. It reduces your staying power (see above). The gahmen likes nice, run of the mill, people to fit in all their socially organized boxes. You're an outlier.
  3. You don't have children, at least I don't think you do. Another negative point for stability and staying power. You're DINK's... dual income, no kids, and DINK's are highly mobile with no worries about school and childhood friends.
  4. Your salaries aren't exceptional for your degree level and years of experience, in fact, they're sort of average.
That's my SWAG. Now, you may say, "That's a load of bullshit," and you may be right because, like you, I don't know anything about how the gahmen scored you, and unlike you, I have no insight into your personal history. You can see why asking what went wrong on a forum board isn't going to be very productive.

You asked if an appeal would be advisable, and I ask, "On what grounds?" Have you changed your underwear? Or maybe because your MNC will issue you a letter guaranteeing that you will remain in Singapore for your employment? The first change is useless, the second, if you could actually get it, might be material. Have you had children in the last couple of months? That could make quite a difference. Are there gaps in employment or residence that you have inadequately covered? Have you gotten a big increase in salary or a promotion (although those two could be a double edge sword)?

Point is, if there is no material change, an appeal won't be successful. My PR was denied the first time I applied. I realized they didn't know the extent of my business. I prepared a detailed list of how many Singaporeans were employed, how much money I billed and brought into Singapore, what sorts of training I provided, and within a week my appeal was successful.

Times have greatly changed since my time in Singapore and I doubt I'd get to start my business again, let alone get PR. I'm probably part of your problem. I'm a guy who gave up PR when the global recession killed my business and rearranged global patterns in... wait for it... information technology... I ran a project management company specializing in IT infrastructure refresh and managed services implementation.

It's best to approach your situation with a sense of realism. To me, you'd be an asset in any country, and I am a rabid supporter of higher education. But clearly, the gahmen has decided that there's something about you such that they are unable to stuff you into one of their predefined boxes that they think helps maintain social order and longevity. Good luck in figuring out what that is.

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