PR Appeal Success Rate 2024 for Vietnamese?

[Sotong_head]

Hi everyone,
I've been reading this forum for years but this is my first post. It breaks my heart but my PR just got rejected again this week and I plan to appeal. Seeking for your suggestions and sharing for the reason why I'm rejected and what is my chance to successfully appeal? Really appreciate if anyone can share successfully appeal case. Below is my PR application and history

History: My family applied as a family twice but both time got rejected. So this time I decided to apply alone (without husband and kids)
My background:
Nationally: Vietnamese
Age: 40, Female
Length of stay: 20 years
Education: local university
Job: Accounting Manager in big tech
Salary: 110K + 20% bonus (~144K annually)
Relationship with PR/SC: my sis is PR and my brother in-law is SC

Family background
Married for 9 years
Husband is German, stay in SG for 16 years, salary around ~150k annually
Kids: 1 girl and 1 boy, both hold German passports. Both attend local kindergartens

Based on length of stay, I feel we check the box for showing commitment toward SG. Our family really love SG and want to grow our roots, specially since my first born going to P1 soon (it's very hard to get slot for foreigners in local primary school. International School would be too expensive for us)
After 2 times got rejected as a family, I feel my husband being a German might be a reason so I decided to apply alone. My plan to first to get PR for myself, then after 2 years convert to Singaporean

Anyone would be kind enough to share reason why SG gov doesn't see me as a good fit? How can I increase my successes rate when appeal?

Million thanks!

[raptor_from_vietnam]

Fellow Vietnamese here although I am much younger. I think it could have been better if you had applied more when you were younger. We cant turn back time so that's not an option. I agree that your husband being German also plays a part. I mean if I were ICA, I would think that he will one day go back to Germany (the welfare there is much better for retirees), and that you would follow him. That being said, applying alone without your kids and husband even makes it worse. Personally I think you should keep applying with them. In addition, if you want your kids to pay local rate for school, they themselves must be local. If only you are the PR, it wouldnt help.

Regarding appeal success rate, I heard it is very low unless your circumstances change.

I've heard of stories of Vietnamese getting it after many many applications. So all the best to us!

[abbby]

agree with @raptor_from_vietnam that my feel is also that gov may feel you'll uproot your family back to Germany when your husband needs to relocate.

I've many friends whose husbands are swedish, english..have all uprooted to their husbands birth countries, together with their families. So statistically I think they feel chances could be high..just my thought.

[MOCHS]

What works against you:
- Racial quota. Others race has smallest quota and largest amount of applicants.
- Salary. Your family can potentially uproot elsewhere for better opportunities.
- Age. Self-explanatory, younger is better.
- Not including your family members is a bit suspicious

Do take note you need to have improvements in your profile (like salary increase, new family member, etc.) whenever you make a new application.

If you have been inputting the same data for each application, same data in = same data out.

We also don’t know if you have any “black marks” like criminal records or if your family spends most of the time overseas. Or if you stay in an expat enclave? Many factors that ICA looks at.

[Sotong_head]

I forgot to mention my PR application history.
- I applied for PR 2 times before married
- My husband applied 1 time before married
- We applied 2 times after married. After got rejected we reapplied once our circumstance changed
- Latest: I applied alone since some people told me apply with my German husband might be the reason we got rejected.

So ICA should be able to see we consistently trying to get PR to grow root here.
Agree that German welfare is high but it comes with high tax. After 20 years in SG our family has no intention to uproot to Germany honestly as I'm not willing to giving up my career and learn a new language. How to show SG gov my commitment to the country?

[jalanjalan]

I'm guessing not but asking just in case - did you ever get an offer to apply for PR in the past, when you were studying at local uni?

[Sotong_head]

I'm guessing not but asking just in case - did you ever get an offer to apply for PR in the past, when you were studying at local uni?

Sadly no. I would accept it in a blink of an eye

[malcontent]

MOCHS nailed it on the reasons for rejection.

What stood out to me is “going to P1 soon” — this is something you really need to think carefully about, considering your income levels. Do your kids have Vietnamese passports as well? That would help bring down the fees. But with German passports, local school fees are not cheap - - especially since you’re already paying higher taxes with no CPF deductions, and you can’t buy an HDB. The fact is, Singapore has become very inhospitable financially for ordinary expats, especially those with school aged children. If it’s any consolation, I suspect they will be offered a place in local school, considering how long you’ve both lived here.

But at some point it will not make sense for you to stay and raise your kids here unless you can localize… how long do you continue to make financial sacrifices in the hopes of PR that is never guaranteed? I see more and more cases like yours and it can be like the frog sitting in the water that comes to a boil — if it happens slowly enough, it may not realize it should jump until it’s too late.

There are things you can do to improve your chances of approval, but applying alone is probably not one of them (although, do keep us posted). Getting involved in your community, especially in a leadership capacity, can help.

You should also consider a plan B. For example, can you achieve financial independence quickly and quasi-retire to a low cost country like Vietnam? Alternatively, find somewhere you like to live in the EU, or consider migrating to Australia.

[therat]

Hi everyone,
I've been reading this forum for years but this is my first post. It breaks my heart but my PR just got rejected again this week and I plan to appeal. Seeking for your suggestions and sharing for the reason why I'm rejected and what is my chance to successfully appeal? Really appreciate if anyone can share successfully appeal case. Below is my PR application and history

History: My family applied as a family twice but both time got rejected. So this time I decided to apply alone (without husband and kids)
My background:
Nationally: Vietnamese
Age: 40, Female
Length of stay: 20 years
Education: local university
Job: Accounting Manager in big tech
Salary: 110K + 20% bonus (~144K annually)
Relationship with PR/SC: my sis is PR and my brother in-law is SC

Family background
Married for 9 years
Husband is German, stay in SG for 16 years, salary around ~150k annually
Kids: 1 girl and 1 boy, both hold German passports. Both attend local kindergartens

Based on length of stay, I feel we check the box for showing commitment toward SG. Our family really love SG and want to grow our roots, specially since my first born going to P1 soon (it's very hard to get slot for foreigners in local primary school. International School would be too expensive for us)
After 2 times got rejected as a family, I feel my husband being a German might be a reason so I decided to apply alone. My plan to first to get PR for myself, then after 2 years convert to Singaporean

Anyone would be kind enough to share reason why SG gov doesn't see me as a good fit? How can I increase my successes rate when appeal?

Million thanks!

Children enroll to P1 is base on the citizenship of the children. Not parents.

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[NYY1]

Just curious, were both of your kids born at the time of both post-marriage applications?

Sorry to hear of your situation. Perhaps just reapply in due course and see what happens. We cannot change some factors, and your profile may only change so much at this point. At the same time, one advantage you have is two kids and it may depend on who is in the Others pool at any point in time (although this category is not lacking applicants).

If your kids are K1 and K2, that would mean the older one goes to P1 next year. If you can get a spot, that may help on the margin. If not, you can try the following year for both AEIS (P2) for the older one and P1 for the younger one.

If still no luck there, you may need to think about what another poster has mentioned above. It's a tough call either way; something only you and your husband can decide (I understand why you don't want to move).

Or just enjoy you career and family here while you can. Retire wherever you can (you'll probably care less at that point) and leave the kids to forge their own path (not a bad thing).

Best of luck and regards.