Relocating, travelling or planning to make Singapore home? Discuss the criterias, passes or visa that is required.
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by tmphuc » Fri, 31 May 2024 12:41 am
Dear all,
We are a family of 4, all Vietnamese. Please assess our PR chance. Thank you!
Husband:
Job: Software Engineer at a big tech
Age: 35
Length of stay in SG: 11 years, since 2013
Salary: 190k, EP holder
Qualification: Bachelor's degree in the US
Wife:
Job: HR Manager
Age: 31
Length of stay in SG: 9 years, since 2015
Salary: 110k, EP holder
Qualification: Master degree from SMU
Boy 1: 7 years old, currently in P1 local school
Boy 2: 4 years old - kindergarten
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by roslind.fong » Fri, 05 Jul 2024 2:12 am
Your chance should be good as you have a son and espeially if you are Chinese Vietnemest
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by roslind.fong » Fri, 05 Jul 2024 2:13 am
Your chance should be good as you have a son .
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by sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 05 Jul 2024 2:31 am
roslind.fong wrote: ↑Fri, 05 Jul 2024 2:12 am
Your chance should be good as you have a son and espeially if you are Chinese Vietnemest
That would depend on whether his parents (or most likely grandparents-I keep forgetting how young I was when I was there during the war) were originally from NORTH Vietnam. If there were from S. Vietnam originally, while the chances are better they are still not much better than the chances for mainland PRCs (which are at the bottom of the Chinese hierarchy when it comes to desirability by the Singapore Government (mainly due to the Communist leanings (both PRC & NVN).
Most certainly he would have indicated his Chinese ancestry/ties on his application had he been so imbued. Additionally, if that has been listed on his application, he would have been required to show proof of such. (old documents listing g.parents/parents names in Chinese on said documents (like household registers, land ownership papers, etc., etc.)
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers
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by smoulder » Fri, 05 Jul 2024 8:57 am
sundaymorningstaple wrote: ↑Fri, 05 Jul 2024 2:31 am
roslind.fong wrote: ↑Fri, 05 Jul 2024 2:12 am
Your chance should be good as you have a son and espeially if you are Chinese Vietnemest
That would depend on whether his parents (or most likely grandparents-I keep forgetting how young I was when I was there during the war) were originally from NORTH Vietnam. If there were from S. Vietnam originally, while the chances are better they are still not much better than the chances for mainland PRCs (which are at the bottom of the Chinese hierarchy when it comes to desirability by the Singapore Government (mainly due to the Communist leanings (both PRC & NVN).
Most certainly he would have indicated his Chinese ancestry/ties on his application had he been so imbued. Additionally, if that has been listed on his application, he would have been required to show proof of such. (old documents listing g.parents/parents names in Chinese on said documents (like household registers, land ownership papers, etc., etc.)
Ignorant question - what is the history behind not preferring people from communist countries?
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by sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 08 Jul 2024 8:02 pm
@smoulder Not ignorant at all. Most post Boomers, unless they lived in Sembawang, knew very little about the Sg treatment of refugees. I only know as much as I do because I was both in the war at the time and 25 years later found myself living in S.E.Asia again and then trying to do penance for a part in the war I didn't belong in in the first place. (My four years working to resettle the refugees).
In Singapore's case it was the so-called Domino Effect (that never actually transpired) but the fear went throughout ASEAN back in the day (1955~1975) In 1963 LKY had issues with the Malaysian Communist Party and the Communist opposition party here in Singapore. "The Barisan Sosialis, a now defunct political party, was formed in 1961 by the People's Action Party (PAP) left-wing members who had been expelled from the party. Barisan Sosialis became the main opposition party in self-governing Singapore."
The hatred is a LKY legacy. I worked for the UNHCR under an affiliate from 1988 to 1992 resettling VN Boat refugees throughout ASEAN. Every ASEAN country accepted a fair share of the "refugees" (Not the economic migrants mixed in with them as well as N. Vietnamese trying to escape as the S. Vietnamese were being released from the Reeducation Camps after 10+ years in captivity. Every ASEAN country including Malaysia & Indonesia accepted some (not a lot mind you) refugees with the exception of one country (Singapore). In fact the SGN used to tow the boats back out to international waters even after the refugees tried to sink their vessels. The SGN would often tow them to Indo waters or Msian waters where they could find alternative refugee camps (of which I worked in all of them in ASEAN. (two weeks in the camps and two weeks in my office in International Plaza where I shared a office with a US Immigration Officer (INS). The only refugees that were allow to land here were those picked up by international flag vessels who arrived in port but they were forced to guarantee that the flag of that vessel would take care of their refugee status or repatriate them back to VN. Singapore has a very poor humanitarian record with regard to the Vietnamese boat people. The Singapore camp for those who did manage to land, was on Hawkins Road in Sembawang.
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers
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by keisuke » Mon, 08 Jul 2024 8:34 pm
sundaymorningstaple wrote: ↑Mon, 08 Jul 2024 8:02 pm
@smoulder Not ignorant at all. Most post Boomers, unless they lived in Sembawang, knew very little about the Sg treatment of refugees. I only know as much as I do because I was both in the war at the time and 25 years later found myself living in S.E.Asia again and then trying to do penance for a part in the war I didn't belong in in the first place. (My four years working to resettle the refugees).
In Singapore's case it was the so-called Domino Effect (that never actually transpired) but the fear went throughout ASEAN back in the day (1955~1975) In 1963 LKY had issues with the Malaysian Communist Party and the Communist opposition party here in Singapore. "The Barisan Sosialis, a now defunct political party, was formed in 1961 by the People's Action Party (PAP) left-wing members who had been expelled from the party. Barisan Sosialis became the main opposition party in self-governing Singapore."
The hatred is a LKY legacy. I worked for the UNHCR under an affiliate from 1988 to 1992 resettling VN Boat refugees throughout ASEAN. Every ASEAN country accepted a fair share of the "refugees" (Not the economic migrants mixed in with them as well as N. Vietnamese trying to escape as the S. Vietnamese were being released from the Reeducation Camps after 10+ years in captivity. Every ASEAN country including Malaysia & Indonesia accepted some (not a lot mind you) refugees with the exception of one country (Singapore). In fact the SGN used to tow the boats back out to international waters even after the refugees tried to sink their vessels. The SGN would often tow them to Indo waters or Msian waters where they could find alternative refugee camps (of which I worked in all of them in ASEAN. (two weeks in the camps and two weeks in my office in International Plaza where I shared a office with a US Immigration Officer (INS). The only refugees that were allow to land here were those picked up by international flag vessels who arrived in port but they were forced to guarantee that the flag of that vessel would take care of their refugee status or repatriate them back to VN. Singapore has a very poor humanitarian record with regard to the Vietnamese boat people. The Singapore camp for those who did manage to land, was on Hawkins Road in Sembawang.
I have a follow up question. There is a difference between people original from North Vietnam, who came to the South ~1954 and ~1975. In 1954, after the agreement between the north and the south, about 1mil people, mostly Christians, migrated to the south because they didn't want to live under the communist party. Do you think ICA would treat them differently?
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by sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 08 Jul 2024 9:13 pm
Yes they do. S. Viet Chinese were primarily businessmen/women, very few military ones. After the 1975 reunification then a lot more NVN migrated southward within the reunited country, this made it more difficult for folks like me but we had our ways. Singapore does the same insomuch as they prefer pre-1975 documents (which would list their grandparents and their children. (and also where the grandparents lived). Then the grandchildren if moved south after the reunification their parents names should be found on both the family registers pre-75 and grand-children's parents may show the current (when they departed or some point before) with a family location located in SVN post 1975 then their odds are much less as the family was probably communist at least prior to 1975. However if the grandparents family registers were from SVN pre 1975 should be much easier (I didn't say easy but 'much easier' than the ex-NVN Chinese who moved south 'after' reunification). I know Viets from both the North & South over the 40+ years I been here - most have been rejected multiple times but still are able to get EPs here. The whole thing is sad. The whole thing has always been close to my heart because of my part in it's history.
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers
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by RikkuG » Mon, 08 Jul 2024 11:08 pm
It's amazing how someone's country and familial lineage can affect their chances of PR. Never have I seen in my life that one is assessed based on their ancestors' actions and/or circumstances.

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by keisuke » Tue, 09 Jul 2024 12:14 am
sundaymorningstaple wrote: ↑Mon, 08 Jul 2024 9:13 pm
Yes they do. S. Viet Chinese were primarily businessmen/women, very few military ones. After the 1975 reunification then a lot more NVN migrated southward within the reunited country, this made it more difficult for folks like me but we had our ways. Singapore does the same insomuch as they prefer pre-1975 documents (which would list their grandparents and their children. (and also where the grandparents lived). Then the grandchildren if moved south after the reunification their parents names should be found on both the family registers pre-75 and grand-children's parents may show the current (when they departed or some point before) with a family location located in SVN post 1975 then their odds are much less as the family was probably communist at least prior to 1975. However if the grandparents family registers were from SVN pre 1975 should be much easier (I didn't say easy but 'much easier' than the ex-NVN Chinese who moved south 'after' reunification). I know Viets from both the North & South over the 40+ years I been here - most have been rejected multiple times but still are able to get EPs here. The whole thing is sad. The whole thing has always been close to my heart because of my part in it's history.
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