PR Chance 2024

[d34th_90]

Hi guys, I am new to the forum and would like to get advice for my spouse’s PR citizenship.

PR Application Date: OCT 2023
PR Status: Pending

Sponsor Profile (Myself):
Nationality: Singaporean
Race: Chinese
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married since Oct 2023
Degree: Bachelor in Business Admin (PSB Academy)
Years of Work Exp: 10 Years++
Salary: 150K+
Occupation: Civil Servant

Applicant Profile (Spouse):
Nationality: Vietnamese
Race: Kinh Vietnamese
Age: 33
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married since Oct 2023
Degree: Masters in Business Admin (USA Idaho State University)
Years in SG: 6 months
Years of Work Exp: 3 years in the USA (Finance Industry)
Current Salary under LTVP+ : 50K
Occupation: PR MANAGER
Pass Type: LTVP+

We are staying together in a private property, solely under my name.

I know it may be too soon to ask about the possibility of PR for my spouse since she’s only been in the country for about 6 months +

I was advised by ICA to concurrently apply for LTVP+ / PR after we got married, hence we did so immediately after ROM.

Q1: Been reading many posts indicating that KINH Vietnamese are not welcomed in SG. And that the chances of application are low, so just wanted to check if anyone has experienced similar profiling and able to advise on PR Approval timeline?

Q2: My wife currently works under the LTVP+ scheme, and I’ve been uploading her payslips towards the PR application online. Would ICA have any knowledge of her current working experience as it is under the LTVP+ scheme, or do I have to constantly upload documents to support our case that she is currently working in Singapore?

Q3: I was told that chances of obtaining a PR would be higher if she is working a certain industry. Since my spouse’s overseas job experience and degree is in the finance sector? Would this lower her chances?

Q4: Will converting my LTVP+ to an EP decrease the approval rate?

Thank you in advance

[MOCHS]

would like to get advice for my spouse’s PR citizenship.

PR is PR. Citizenship is citizenship. What is PR citizenship? No such thing leh.

General consensus is to apply PR after 2 years of marriage to show ICA the marriage is stable. Apply too early and ICA sees it as a marriage of convenience. Don’t be surprised by a rejection.

1. No idea. Maybe moderator sms might have some insight.

2. You are the sponsor, ICA will be more interested in your payslips instead. If ICA never request your wife’s payslips then don’t upload.

3. Working in a “favoured” industry doesn’t guarantee anything. Ignore unwanted advice from friends/family and don’t fall for immigration agencies that only want your money.

4. Usually EP is better but if her company unable to give her EP then can remain on LTVP/LTVP+.

I was advised by ICA to concurrently apply for LTVP+ / PR after we got married, hence we did so immediately after ROM.

You got this via phone call? Email? Over the counter?

Also, isn’t LTVP+ granted to couples who have been married more than 3 years or have SC kid? You’re only married 6 months and she has LTVP+ already? You sure it isn’t regular LTVP?

[d34th_90]

Thanks for the reply.

I meant PR not citizenship.

I got the advise over the phone with an ICA officer. Yes we were awarded with a 1 year LTVP+ on our initial application.

[d34th_90]

Actually disregard, I just checked and she’s only on an LTVP. But thanks for the reply still. That helps clear up some misconceptions

[hopeislife]

Thanks for the reply.

I meant PR not citizenship.

I got the advise over the phone with an ICA officer. Yes we were awarded with a 1 year LTVP+ on our initial application.

Since you said you got advice over the phone with the ICA officer, i would like to ask whether this call was made by you by calling the ICA general contact number that is in their website? If so, then you have just called the ICA call center and the person whom you speak is not actually an ICA officer. They are just trained personnel to answer ICA related queries to general public. All they can say are usually suggestions and the options that you have related to your case. Hence, they would have said that you can apply ltvp or pr for your spouse. They would say the same to anyone else with similar situation. So dont get confused by the words of a customer service personnel as if coming from an ICA officer.

[sundaymorningstaple]

@hopeislife

Is that advice anecdotal evidence, known fact, or you as usual.....

And "Opinions" are like Arseholes. Most people have them but keep quiet, others must give them, not realizing everybody has one but most stink.

[MOCHS]

Actually disregard, I just checked and she’s only on an LTVP. But thanks for the reply still. That helps clear up some misconceptions

Usually the first LTVP is valid for one year to let the foreigner spouse “settle down” in the country. Then sponsor applies LTVP renewal after one year so ICA knows the couple is sincere to stay here long term. LTVP does mean long term visit pass after all, no?

With the exception of M’sian Chinese who worked in SG before, I don’t think I’ve encountered any LTVP holders who don’t have any kids getting PR with less than 1-2 years of marriage.

You basically just wasted $100 on your premature application lah… Better luck next time after 2 years of marriage.

[hopeislife]

@hopeislife

Is that advice anecdotal evidence, known fact, or you as usual.....

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And "Opinions" are like Arseholes. Most people have them but keep quiet, others must give them, not realizing everybody has one but most stink.

I only share things that is either personally faced by me, or from someone whom I know or from the posts that i have read in this forum.

To answer your doubts, the things mentioned in my previous post is from my own experience. I will just say one example from my own life. I got PR recently and applied LTVP for my spouse. In the 4th week of LTVP processing, the online portal asked to submit 'Letter of permission to contract marriage (from MOM)'. I was confused about this and called ICA contact number in their site. I explained the situation to them, and said I got married to my spouse before i got pr, and I was in EP while my spouse was working with DP and WP. The ICA person suggested me to email this problem to ica ltvp and they were not able to solve the issue or guide straightaway. Next day i went straight to ica in person, and the receptionist directly made me talk to an ICA officer. I explained the situation again, just stating that we got married before i got PR and I said i dont know why this letter of permission need to be obtained from MOM. The ICA officer did not get any of my id or ltvp application reference number or nothing. He clearly and promptly said that " The ica portal might have asked you to submit this letter of permission because your wife held Work permit (even if it is tied to dependant pass). Therefore, the system automatically gets triggered to ask for this permission. For your case, you just need to reply a letter stating that this permission letter is not applicable for you in the portal". The ICA officer clearly knows the options and rules and guides in just one minute. I was out of the building in just 10minutes after clearing my doubt. The number you call to ICA (given in the website) is usually directed to their customer service center and the person who attends may not be an actual ICA officer. However, they may be trained and informed to handle queries from people. They wont be able to look into your pr or ltvp application process details in their screen. They can only see the online portal information just like you see from your screen. Another tell tale sign is that after you end the call, you will get another automatic call where it will ask you to rate the ICA representative's call on two aspects like whether they were able to clarify your queries and whether do you recommend this service in future.
If you are still in doubt, you can just do a small query to ICA contact number and you may get the same experience. These things made me to think that may be the calls we make go to an ICA representative rather than actual ICA officers. I MAY BE WRONG, AND IF IT IS SO, I APOLOGISE FOR THAT. But my deductions from my experience says otherwise and it is indeed from my anecdotal evidence.
However, when you email to ICA, THOSE EMAILS may be handled by ICA officers from services center, as you can see from their email signatures when they reply to you. Moreover, i did not use the word 'opinion' in the previous post.

I will use the words 'In my opinion...' only when giving a guess for someone's pr application when they post here or unsure about something. Ofcourse, it is just one's opinion when we share our views for their post regarding their pr chances. We cannot be sure if they will get or not as we dont know full details of applicant or the algorithm of ica.

To prove the fact that, even your views on other's profile is just an 'opinion', have a look at the following example.

A user named SGS2020 asked for his pr chances as quoted below.

Dear all

Seeking for Opinion:
Profile
Nationality: Indian
Age: 39
Marital status: Married
Education: DIPLOMA (IND) + Specialist DIP (SIN)
Length of stay: 18+ Years
Work: Assistant Manager(Semicon)
Salary: ~80K + Bonus
PR application submission: APR 2022
Wife: Not working all the while and Currently a Full-time student_Early Childhood Ed. Teaching Chinese.
(will be graduating soon)
Kids: 1 girl (studying in Local school) + 1Boy (11y and 5y respectively)
Wife and kids are holding DP. ( all three fall under the other category Asean passport).

The current status of the Application is pending and the upload button was missing (a week ago).

What are our chances?
Kindly advice. Thanks.

You replied as shown below that his chances are not good as his salary is low and only having a diploma, and asking to save his pr application fee as highlighted in bold.

Maybe, maybe not. Why? Who knows. We are not bloody mind readers here. You have to stop being deliberately obtuse when coming here with your hat in your hand asking opinions, you have to be forthright and not make us guess your facts before we give you any opinion.

Having said that, and to add to what smoulder already mentioned, your salary is too low for 18 years in the Semicon Industry and only having a diploma doesn't bode well when compared to your countrymen you are competing with. Sounds like a position plenty of locals could fill, truth be known. Save while you you can. I'd like to be wrong, but .........

However, SGS2020's pr application was approved. So in your reply for his chances everything is just your opinion on why he will be rejected, while in reality he got approved.

Congrats

Thank you

I'd like to be wrong, but .........

Congratulations. This is one of those occasions I like to see. You have something else which we are/were not privy too. We haven't walked in your shoes for the past years but you have done something correct that they are impressed by besides academics & salary. Kids? Maybe, but I'm guessing something else. Again, congratulations. "Power!"

You have already admitted that you haven't walked in his shoes and they are impressed by some other factor. Hence, your previous gauge of his profile, is just your opinions or in your own words 'arseholes'. No one here is god or ica to perfectly say anyone's pr chances, so what you and I give are just opinions or 'arseholes' based on previous facts and examples that we encounter. I have many such examples from you, but its enough now as this reply is already too long and my lunch break is over.

And just to let you know a fun fact, arseholes are important too and you cant imagine a life without them. Without them no one can survive.

[MOCHS]

The thing about the internet is to learn to pick your battles instead of trying to get the last word in. Why waste precious lunch break when you could spend it enjoying your meal. Whatever could be said could have be sent via a PM but the thread is going off topic and confusing the poor dude asking for advice.

[Strong Eagle]

[tiktok]

At the end of the day, SMS and other so called experts on PR/SC look at one thing and disregard the rest. That is RACE. Indian? No. Chinese? Yes.

To be fair, these are the rules set down by the rulers of this little island. But it's disgusting nonetheless.

[Strong Eagle]

To be fair, these are the rules set down by the rulers of this little island. But it's disgusting nonetheless.

How would you apportion the limited number of slots available? Let all the Indians in because they have the largest number of applications? Cut out the Chinese because there's already too many of them on the island? Use white out on the race and guess which uni is the best?

[tiktok]

To be fair, these are the rules set down by the rulers of this little island. But it's disgusting nonetheless.

How would you apportion the limited number of slots available? Let all the Indians in because they have the largest number of applications? Cut out the Chinese because there's already too many of them on the island? Use white out on the race and guess which uni is the best?

Civilized countries use a point system. You get points for age, education level, occupation, language ability, health, dependents etc. Race is not a factor. If more Indians get more points, come in.

Not sure why you need to consider race unless there's other factors not in the list above. SG government will say "social cohesion", which is just another way of saying what Hitler was saying.

[sundaymorningstaple]

Civilized countries? You have got to be kidding.

[Strong Eagle]

Civilized countries use a point system. You get points for age, education level, occupation, language ability, health, dependents etc. Race is not a factor. If more Indians get more points, come in.

So what you're saying is that the racial makeup in Singapore should be solely determined by the percentages of the races and ethnicities that apply? If 90 percent of the applications are Indians, then, statistically speaking, 90 percent of the approvals should be Indian? Or, if it's PRC Chinese that are 90 percent, they should get all the PR's? Or Malaysian Chinese?

Is this not racist in and of itself? If more Indians apply than Vietnamese, then Indians should get more PR's? I can see this working in a country with large populations but with limited PR's in a place like Singapore? Even the USA has quotas by country.