PR chance 2024 for Vietnamese EP

[jon.jony]

Hi Guys,

I have been working in Singapore since 2015 (more than 9 years) where I really love this country and do want to settle down here. I haven't tried to apply the PR since I did know the chance is low, but I would like to try at least one after waiting for quite some years. I would very much appreciate if you guys could review my profile below and suggest some advice about my chance:

Here's my profile:

Nationality: Vietnamese
Race: Vietnamese
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Degree: Bachelor's Degree in top 1 university in Vietnam, Computer Science.
Years in SG: ~10 years (2012 - came for internship, 2015 came for professional working)
Years of Work Exp: 13 years; 3 from VN.
Salary: 196K + Variable (~15%) ~ 225K annually
Occupation: Technical Lead, Data Engineer in a Venture Capital
Pass Type: EP

Notes: I have a family of four (a wife & two daughters - all Vietnamese). I am planning to apply for myself first. Not sure if it is good idea or not. Seeking your kind advice if any

Looking forward to hearing from your kind advices,
Sincerely,
J

[singaporeflyer]

Hi Guys,

I have been working in Singapore since 2015 (more than 9 years) where I really love this country and do want to settle down here. I haven't tried to apply the PR since I did know the chance is low, but I would like to try at least one after waiting for quite some years. I would very much appreciate if you guys could review my profile below and suggest some advice about my chance:

Here's my profile:

Nationality: Vietnamese
Race: Vietnamese
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Degree: Bachelor's Degree in top 1 university in Vietnam, Computer Science.
Years in SG: ~10 years (2012 - came for internship, 2015 came for professional working)
Years of Work Exp: 13 years; 3 from VN.
Salary: 196K + Variable (~15%) ~ 225K annually
Occupation: Technical Lead, Data Engineer in a Venture Capital
Pass Type: EP

Notes: I have a family of four (a wife & two daughters - all Vietnamese). I am planning to apply for myself first. Not sure if it is good idea or not. Seeking your kind advice if any

Looking forward to hearing from your kind advices,
Sincerely,
J

Is your family in SG?

I feel low chance, but you must still have a try.

[lot286]

application as a family unit may boost your chances, albeit small

[jon.jony]

Hi Guys,

I have been working in Singapore since 2015 (more than 9 years) where I really love this country and do want to settle down here. I haven't tried to apply the PR since I did know the chance is low, but I would like to try at least one after waiting for quite some years. I would very much appreciate if you guys could review my profile below and suggest some advice about my chance:

Here's my profile:

Nationality: Vietnamese
Race: Vietnamese
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Degree: Bachelor's Degree in top 1 university in Vietnam, Computer Science.
Years in SG: ~10 years (2012 - came for internship, 2015 came for professional working)
Years of Work Exp: 13 years; 3 from VN.
Salary: 196K + Variable (~15%) ~ 225K annually
Occupation: Technical Lead, Data Engineer in a Venture Capital
Pass Type: EP

Notes: I have a family of four (a wife & two daughters - all Vietnamese). I am planning to apply for myself first. Not sure if it is good idea or not. Seeking your kind advice if any

Looking forward to hearing from your kind advices,
Sincerely,
J

Is your family in SG?

I feel low chance, but you must still have a try.

Thanks for the prompt reply! They used to be in SG since 2015 , but recently stay in Vietnam due to my last lay-off in 2023 . Yeah I do know the chance is low, but maybe just do a bet. Thanks for your kind advice!

[singaporeflyer]

Hi Guys,

I have been working in Singapore since 2015 (more than 9 years) where I really love this country and do want to settle down here. I haven't tried to apply the PR since I did know the chance is low, but I would like to try at least one after waiting for quite some years. I would very much appreciate if you guys could review my profile below and suggest some advice about my chance:

Here's my profile:

Nationality: Vietnamese
Race: Vietnamese
Age: 34
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Degree: Bachelor's Degree in top 1 university in Vietnam, Computer Science.
Years in SG: ~10 years (2012 - came for internship, 2015 came for professional working)
Years of Work Exp: 13 years; 3 from VN.
Salary: 196K + Variable (~15%) ~ 225K annually
Occupation: Technical Lead, Data Engineer in a Venture Capital
Pass Type: EP

Notes: I have a family of four (a wife & two daughters - all Vietnamese). I am planning to apply for myself first. Not sure if it is good idea or not. Seeking your kind advice if any

Looking forward to hearing from your kind advices,
Sincerely,
J

Is your family in SG?

I feel low chance, but you must still have a try.

Thanks for the prompt reply! They used to be in SG since 2015 , but recently stay in Vietnam due to my last lay-off in 2023 . Yeah I do know the chance is low, but maybe just do a bet. Thanks for your kind advice!

Did you have a break in your career?
How long was it?

[sliverchair13]

Would it be a redflag if someone with family applies for him/herself only?

[singaporeflyer]

Would it be a redflag if someone with family applies for him/herself only?

Not red flag, surely not +ve as you won't settle down for long?

[jon.jony]

Is your family in SG?

I feel low chance, but you must still have a try.

Thanks for the prompt reply! They used to be in SG since 2015 , but recently stay in Vietnam due to my last lay-off in 2023 . Yeah I do know the chance is low, but maybe just do a bet. Thanks for your kind advice!

Did you have a break in your career?
How long was it?

There is no career break I would say, but maybe it consider 1 month gap ! My EP has been cancelled on March 2023 and been issued new one April 2023

[sliverchair13]

Yes definitely negative.
But why would ICA give PR to someone with children (male offspring) who seems to steer away their children from NS?

Or has there been case/s where their PR got approved as for him/herself only?

[jon.jony]

Yes definitely negative.
But why would ICA give PR to someone with children (male offspring) who seems to steer away their children from NS?

Or has there been case/s where their PR got approved as for him/herself only?

Unfortunately I don't have a son. If so, I think I might have better chance by including my whole family I guess . But this could be a red flag as you mentioned. Thanks for the advice

[sundaymorningstaple]

I tend to think the opposite. Provided family is here in Singapore. If back in VN, cannot. But if they are here it's to your benefit to apply as a family otherwise, they will wonder if you are planning to abandon the family if you were to gain PR by yourself. This is why single folks have a much harder time getting PR as they are an easy bail out if they get a better offer. If you have full family here and all PRs you will think twice before bailing out and having to potentially disrupt your children's education, etc., etc.,....

[jon.jony]

I tend to think the opposite. Provided family is here in Singapore. If back in VN, cannot. But if they are here it's to your benefit to apply as a family otherwise, they will wonder if you are planning to abandon the family if you were to gain PR by yourself. This is why single folks have a much harder time getting PR as they are an easy bail out if they get a better offer. If you have full family here and all PRs you will think twice before bailing out and having to potentially disrupt your children's education, etc., etc.,....

Thanks for your reply! In fact, my entire family currently holding Dependant Pass, just that they are not staying with me in SG and I am travelling back and forth. Would it still be a good idea to include the whole family into PR application? Appreciate your response !

[hopeislife]

I tend to think the opposite. Provided family is here in Singapore. If back in VN, cannot. But if they are here it's to your benefit to apply as a family otherwise, they will wonder if you are planning to abandon the family if you were to gain PR by yourself. This is why single folks have a much harder time getting PR as they are an easy bail out if they get a better offer. If you have full family here and all PRs you will think twice before bailing out and having to potentially disrupt your children's education, etc., etc.,....

Thanks for your reply! In fact, my entire family currently holding Dependant Pass, just that they are not staying with me in SG and I am travelling back and forth. Would it still be a good idea to include the whole family into PR application? Appreciate your response !

Technically speaking, yes it is good idea to include your whole family in the PR application. If you apply pr only for yourself, it can be a sure reject. However, what SMS and others including me say is that, if your family does not reside here with you, it will be seen as a negative. Giving PR is also about integration and giving back to sg in some form. If your family is not here, their integration factor will score low in ICA's evaluation (just saying as an example, in my opinion). The kids need to grow here and do schooling here to gel with the society. So it is not a problem to apply pr for your whole family, the problem is your chances will become even worse if they dont reside here.

Ofcourse, another point i would mention here is that there are people who are successful with similar situation like you. I have read some posts here in this forum, where husband applies pr only for him, and his kids and spouse live back in their country. Still, the husband's pr gets approved. However, you should note that this happens mostly when they are of preferred race, like malaysian chinese. Because, they can integrate easily and when the husband gets pr, there is a higher chance that the whole family might later settle back in sg. May be you can try the search option on top right and you may find some posts like this. But for your case, it is going to be quite close to impossible if your family does not stay with you here. This is just my opinion.

[seetha_1981]

Hi everyone, if you never try for PR, you will never know your chances. There are many in my expat circle who have applied 4 to 5 times, rejected. Applied and finally got it. ICA also sees your genuine interest in applying for PR and how well integrated you are in Singapore and your plans in SG for the next 5 year.s

[hopeislife]

Hi everyone, if you never try for PR, you will never know your chances. There are many in my expat circle who have applied 4 to 5 times, rejected. Applied and finally got it. ICA also sees your genuine interest in applying for PR and how well integrated you are in Singapore and your plans in SG for the next 5 year.s

I agree with your first two statements. However, not everyone will 'finally get it' even after applying number of times. It is not always about genuine interest in applying PR (everyone is interested in applying), and it is not always about integration (there are many who are integrated well but denied pr) and its not always about your plans in SG for next 5 years (as they are just plans. Everybody will say they are going to contribute to SG's growth in their cover letter or in the awards/innovation section, but ICA wont buy it. It is not always about what you will do in next 5 years, but definitely about what you did in previous 5 years). There are many who left without getting pr despite showing interest, integration and with plans and this is one example below.
https://www.expat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1024614

By the way, I hope you are not a pr application agency, because your statements very much looks like someone who is from an agency . If you are not form agency, i seek your apologies.