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Apply PR before or after marriage?

Post by kenny122 » Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:46 pm

Hi everyone, I (27M, Indonesian Chinese) got my EP recently, after graduating from local university. I also completed my prior educations in Singapore, so I have been staying here since I was very young. Widowed Mom is PR here who stayed here for decades (Deceased Father was a Singaporean, if that matters).
I wish to apply for PR (and citizenship later on), but I am in dilemma. I plan to get married beginning of next year to a PR (Chinese as well, local graduate, healthcare sector).
Should I wait until we register our marriage, and then I apply for PR? Or is it better to apply for PR this year after I work for > 6 months?

Thank you for reading and have a great week ahead.

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Re: Apply PR before or after marriage?

Post by MOCHS » Mon, 18 Mar 2024 1:16 pm

Your father is a Singaporean and your mother is a PR but you are neither a PR or SC??

Something doesn’t sound right here.

You could have easily gotten citizenship by descent at birth. Why did your parents choose not to? So you don’t need to do NS?

If so, second-gen PRs (through your mother’s side) also need to serve NS too. How did you manage to get EP without serving?

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Re: Apply PR before or after marriage?

Post by kenny122 » Mon, 18 Mar 2024 1:43 pm

I'm not a PR, and I'm not applying with my parent's sponsor so I believe serving or not doesn't matter, that's not the question I had. Thanks for your time.

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Re: Apply PR before or after marriage?

Post by gold.spot » Mon, 18 Mar 2024 3:03 pm

In that case the answer is - it doesn't matter when you apply for PR. Whichever method you choose, the reply from ICA will be either "approved" or "not approved".

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Re: Apply PR before or after marriage?

Post by hopeislife » Mon, 18 Mar 2024 3:09 pm

kenny122 wrote:
Mon, 18 Mar 2024 1:43 pm
I'm not a PR, and I'm not applying with my parent's sponsor so I believe serving or not doesn't matter, that's not the question I had. Thanks for your time.
Hi, to answer your first question, it is generally advisable to apply pr as a married couple. Because ICA is usually interested in granting pr or sgc to young couples. It will be a positive if they have children too. Since your girlfriend is a PR and you both are of preferred race, the change of getting you pr is more when you apply together after marriage under her sponsor (just my opinion) than applying as a single. I am not saying you will not get pr when you apply as a single now, but the chances, in general, is low compared to applying as a family, i.e., after marriage.

Now coming to the main problem, like MOCHS has pointed out, what i feel as a general member of this forum is that your chances of getting pr might be low whether you apply it as a single or after marriage to PR. Your biological father is SC, so you should have SC by birth. Since you were not registered as SC, it will be seen as an attempt to evade NS. Your mother is a PR too, so has she sponsored for your pr when you were kid, in the absence of your father? It might have been easy to have given you EP, but when it comes to pr or sc, i dont think it is going to happen the way you think. I am not saying there is 0% chance for you to get pr, but just saying low chance even when marriying a pr. But who knows, may be you have other positives that ICA can see and may give you pr for being preferred race. All the best. Let us know here if you are successful in future.

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Re: Apply PR before or after marriage?

Post by MOCHS » Mon, 18 Mar 2024 3:30 pm

The reason I didn’t answer the question because you have two very glaring problems which are:

1. Your dad is SC, you could have been SC at birth, why weren’t you?

2. Your mum was PR (assume when you were born) and it’s stipulated in the TnC of PR that any male child of a first gen PR needs to serve NS. Of course serving is important… and I assume you didn’t serve?

If both parents were SC-PR when you were born, the chances of you getting PR is frankly, low because it looks like you were evading NS. I am surprised you got EP in the first place.

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Re: Apply PR before or after marriage?

Post by hopeislife » Mon, 18 Mar 2024 4:18 pm

MOCHS wrote:
Mon, 18 Mar 2024 3:30 pm
If both parents were SC-PR when you were born, the chances of you getting PR is frankly, low because it looks like you were evading NS. I am surprised you got EP in the first place.

Hi, MOCHS, nowadays for the case where the male child of an SC parent (if not registered as sc at birth) and living under dependent or ltvp or student pass through their school/college time, will be given workpasses EP/SP without much problem. Since he has a local uni degree, he could have got EP easily. They are a bit lenient with such male candidates when it comes to EP/SP, but pr or sc is not going to be easy. However, lets say if the male child of SC parent grows with a pr or sc identity and then renunciates it few years before serving NS, then this situation is the real problematic one, in which the male after studies may not be given any workpass to work here.

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Re: Apply PR before or after marriage?

Post by kenny122 » Mon, 18 Mar 2024 4:36 pm

MOCHS wrote:
Mon, 18 Mar 2024 3:30 pm
The reason I didn’t answer the question because you have two very glaring problems which are:

1. Your dad is SC, you could have been SC at birth, why weren’t you?

2. Your mum was PR (assume when you were born) and it’s stipulated in the TnC of PR that any male child of a first gen PR needs to serve NS. Of course serving is important… and I assume you didn’t serve?

If both parents were SC-PR when you were born, the chances of you getting PR is frankly, low because it looks like you were evading NS. I am surprised you got EP in the first place.
I left out the details thinking it wasn't important. My SC father wasn't my biological father. As to why I didn't apply for PR, I wasn't sure where I want to be at, considering my father passed on quite sometime ago and my mom is a single mom, until I met my SO.

Thanks again

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Re: Apply PR before or after marriage?

Post by smoulder » Mon, 18 Mar 2024 4:59 pm

Were you adopted? If so, then there is still a possibility that it is an important consideration in the eyes of the ICA and hence important information.

To spell it out for you - if the ICA gets the slightest indication that you, your parents (adoptive or biological) were trying to avoid NS, then it may not be a favorable outcome. If it is the case, then it's something to be aware of - you may not be able to do much to correct it except hope for the ICA to be lenient.

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Re: Apply PR before or after marriage?

Post by MOCHS » Mon, 18 Mar 2024 6:42 pm

1. Was your mum a PR when you were born?

2. Or she only got PR after marrying her SC spouse?

It’s better to give the full picture so we can truly help or else we jump to conclusion that you were trying to abscond from NS.

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