PR for 26 years old Indian couple

[jeyaram.muthukumar]

Hello Everyone!

I hope you are all doing well.

I am planning to apply for singapore PR in next couple of months. Before that I would like to get some expert insights wheather I am a right person to apply PR now or wait for some more time. Kindly find below my profile

Indian Couples age 26 working both in IT industry having 6years experience as Data engineer.
Education - Bachelor degree from India.
Salary - 110k & 80k SGD
Recently we are blessed with a girl baby and will be applying DP next month.

I would involve rarely (2month once) on the volunteering service .

No donation so far.

I'm excited about the possibility of becoming a permanent resident in this amazing country. If anyone has any tips or insights they'd like to share, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thank you!


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[hopeislife]

Hello Everyone!

I hope you are all doing well.

I am planning to apply for singapore PR in next couple of months. Before that I would like to get some expert insights wheather I am a right person to apply PR now or wait for some more time. Kindly find below my profile

Indian Couples age 26 working both in IT industry having 6years experience as Data engineer.
Education - Bachelor degree from India.
Salary - 110k & 80k SGD
Recently we are blessed with a girl baby and will be applying DP next month.

I would involve rarely (2month once) on the volunteering service .

No donation so far.

I'm excited about the possibility of becoming a permanent resident in this amazing country. If anyone has any tips or insights they'd like to share, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thank you!


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As a person who has gone through the journey below are my opinions and i have stated as points

1) One thing you have not mentioned clearly is your length of stay. However, i can guess your length of stay is not more than 5 years, which is not sufficient length of stay for indians. Typical indian profiles require at least 10yrs (but not always) of stay as an average based on my observation. Hope you know the quota for indians is stringent.

2) Working in banking and IT is generally not so favoured for pr. The reason is majority of the indian applicants are in IT and the competition is huge. I dont know if you have read enough of this forum, but go through the forum posts for the past 3 years at least to know the real competition.

3) I know many like you may have a feeling that high salary at young age would have more chances for pr, but you will only later realize that it is NOT THE ONLY factor for pr. I personally know many such indian couples with similar job roles like IT or banking have been denied pr even with ten years of stay. One reason being those in banking related jobs will easily be transferred or go to other greener pastures for a rise in pay.

4) There are many indians here with local masters degree in sg. Even they face severe rejections.

5) Volunteering or donation in general is not going to greatly affect the pr results unless you are already doing it for several years consistently. Kindly dont do for the sake of pr as already ICA has become tired of it. It is generally advised to do such volunteering only if it is from the heart.

6) Ofcourse, everyone has the possibility of "becoming" a pr once they work here for 6 months, but getting approved is another story. Your positives are that you are young couple with a kid, however the strength required to move the scales of ICA to get approved is immense. However, JUST GIVE A TRY AND SEE FOR YOURSELF, as no one knows what the result will be without applying.

If you apply, you can share the outcome on this forum later, so that it will be helpful for other readers. Sorry if my response is too lengthy, as I think many reside in sg and apply for pr without knowing its difficulties. Hence, whenever i get a chance, i try to convey the challenges for indians to get pr, so that even if they get rejected it wont be so disappointing, as you can get mentally prepared.

[sundaymorningstaple]

And to make it worse, hopeislife is only lamenting one race's problem with quota difficulties (which was caused primarily by them themselves). It's not even the hardest one. "Others" bears the biggest brunt of all with a population density of only 1.5% it only gives "Others" about 500 allocations annually. Everybody who isn't Chinese, Malay or Indian is thrown into the Other's pot. This also includes all Caucasians and other non-CMI races. Percentage-wise Others is the most heavily oversubscribed of all the categories.

[PNGMK]

And to make it worse, hopeislife is only lamenting one race's problem with quota difficulties (which was caused primarily by them themselves). It's not even the hardest one. "Others" bears the biggest brunt of all with a population density of only 1.5% it only gives "Others" about 500 allocations annually. Everybody who isn't Chinese, Malay or Indian is thrown into the Other's pot. This also includes all Caucasians and other non-CMI races. Percentage-wise Others is the most heavily oversubscribed of all the categories.

A few years ago they (ICA) were allowing some flips into the Malay category due to the common Bugis heritage - you may remember a weird bump were suddenly flips were getting PR. They got called out on it and stopped.

[sundaymorningstaple]

Yeah, I remember that. If I'm not mistaken, most of those where were let in were from the Mindanao region of the 'peens. due to the close proximity of northern Borneo and the intermingling of the two groups.

[the observer]

Yeah, I remember that. If I'm not mistaken, most of those where were let in were from the Mindanao region of the 'peens. due to the close proximity of northern Borneo and the intermingling of the two groups.

Worth having a look.

https://mothership.sg/2023/06/spore-gov ... -constant/

[Strong Eagle]

Yeah, I remember that. If I'm not mistaken, most of those where were let in were from the Mindanao region of the 'peens. due to the close proximity of northern Borneo and the intermingling of the two groups.

Worth having a look.

https://mothership.sg/2023/06/spore-gov ... -constant/

Reading between the lines: "We sure wouldn't want to do anything that would change the Chinese percentage from a super majority to a plurality."

[jrrrcircle]

And to make it worse, hopeislife is only lamenting one race's problem with quota difficulties (which was caused primarily by them themselves). It's not even the hardest one. "Others" bears the biggest brunt of all with a population density of only 1.5% it only gives "Others" about 500 allocations annually. Everybody who isn't Chinese, Malay or Indian is thrown into the Other's pot. This also includes all Caucasians and other non-CMI races. Percentage-wise Others is the most heavily oversubscribed of all the categories.

Does this 500 figure consist of all the PR schemes combined (family ties, investment, PTS)?
Or is it PTS only?

Would be interesting to know the breakdown assuming that info was even publicly available.

[hopeislife]

Does this 500 figure consist of all the PR schemes combined (family ties, investment, PTS)?
Or is it PTS only?

Would be interesting to know the breakdown assuming that info was even publicly available.

Ofcourse, the 500+ figure includes all the PR schemes family ties, investment, PTS. Not just the PTS.

And ofcourse, there is no official breakdown of this info online and the obvious reason is for the best interest of the public. But in general, it can be guessed that % of PTS > % of family ties > % of investment. In my opinion, i can give a guestimate of 60-70% for PTS, 25-35% for family ties and <5% for investment (may be practically <2%).

[jrrrcircle]

I did manage to find this -

https://www.mha.gov.sg/mediaroom/parlia ... ree-years/

So looks like around 4.7K places for FTS PR where spouse is Singaporean?
And like 12 (2% of 600) for non spousal FTS (so basically impossible)

That means there should be around 70ish "others" who are granted FTS PR a year lol

Based on this it looks like only 15% of PRs are for FTS.
Assuming Investment is 2-5%, then yeah PTS is the bulk and by way further than expected.

I read somewhere that Singaporeans are marrying foreigners at an increasing rate so will be interesting if this trend changes.

[jrrrcircle]

I did manage to find this -

https://www.mha.gov.sg/mediaroom/parlia ... ree-years/

So looks like around 4.7K places for FTS PR where spouse is Singaporean?
And like 12 (2% of 600) for non spousal FTS (so basically impossible)

That means there should be around 70ish "others" who are granted FTS PR a year lol

Based on this it looks like only 15% of PRs are for FTS.
Assuming Investment is 2-5%, then yeah PTS is the bulk and by way further than expected.

I read somewhere that Singaporeans are marrying foreigners at an increasing rate so will be interesting if this trend changes.

Unless because this is only 15%, the gov is a bit looser with the quota due to the whole family reason. Although I doubt it

[NYY1]

I did manage to find this -

https://www.mha.gov.sg/mediaroom/parlia ... ree-years/

So looks like around 4.7K places for FTS PR where spouse is Singaporean?
And like 12 (2% of 600) for non spousal FTS (so basically impossible)

That means there should be around 70ish "others" who are granted FTS PR a year lol

Based on this it looks like only 15% of PRs are for FTS.
Assuming Investment is 2-5%, then yeah PTS is the bulk and by way further than expected.

I read somewhere that Singaporeans are marrying foreigners at an increasing rate so will be interesting if this trend changes.

Sorry, what do you mean by 70ish "others" who are granted FTS PR a year?

~4,700 (7,600 x 62%) is the number of Spouse of SC approved for PR via FTS. There was also 600 x 24% = 144 Children of SC approved for PR. Lastly, the 2% figure was for 1,300 parents of SC (applying for PR) = 26 approved. This is pretty much the total PR via FTS approved per year (over these years)?

The Population in Brief publication gives the statistic on transnational marriages. The figure is very high (33% is the most recent figure), although it actually hasn't been increasing over the past decade plus (it is rebounding from the post pandemic lows of 29%-30. However, it was 40% (+/-) at one point and had been stable in the mid-to-upper 30s before COVID). Still, the statistic may only mean so much (could be failing to pick up a couple of different things).

Paragraph #3 does shed light on the Aged Parent of an SC category. I'm not surprised that getting approved is still challenging here (28% approval rate).

[jrrrcircle]

I did manage to find this -

https://www.mha.gov.sg/mediaroom/parlia ... ree-years/

So looks like around 4.7K places for FTS PR where spouse is Singaporean?
And like 12 (2% of 600) for non spousal FTS (so basically impossible)

That means there should be around 70ish "others" who are granted FTS PR a year lol

Based on this it looks like only 15% of PRs are for FTS.
Assuming Investment is 2-5%, then yeah PTS is the bulk and by way further than expected.

I read somewhere that Singaporeans are marrying foreigners at an increasing rate so will be interesting if this trend changes.

Sorry, what do you mean by 70ish "others" who are granted FTS PR a year?

~4,700 (7,600 x 62%) is the number of Spouse of SC approved for PR via FTS. There was also 600 x 24% = 144 Children of SC approved for PR. Lastly, the 2% figure was for 1,300 parents of SC (applying for PR) = 26 approved. This is pretty much the total PR via FTS approved per year (over these years)?

The Population in Brief publication gives the statistic on transnational marriages. The figure is very high (33% is the most recent figure), although it actually hasn't been increasing over the past decade plus (it is rebounding from the post pandemic lows of 29%-30. However, it was 40% (+/-) at one point and had been stable in the mid-to-upper 30s before COVID). Still, the statistic may only mean so much (could be failing to pick up a couple of different things).

Paragraph #3 does shed light on the Aged Parent of an SC category. I'm not surprised that getting approved is still challenging here (28% approval rate).

If we assume the "other" quota is 1.5% then 1.5% of 4700 is 70.5 for the FTS spouse category.

Thanks for sharing the stats.
Curious if it will trend upwards now that covid is over and Singapore is open again + as SG workforce becomes more skilled with the increased gov investment & the number of SCs working overseas increases.

I also just realised that the ministers FTS PR stats, are only for those with links to SCs.
There is FTS for spouses of PR holders, but their stats are not included in the answer.

[NYY1]

If we assume the "other" quota is 1.5% then 1.5% of 4700 is 70.5 for the FTS spouse category.

Thanks for sharing the stats.
Curious if it will trend upwards now that covid is over and Singapore is open again + as SG workforce becomes more skilled with the increased gov investment & the number of SCs working overseas increases.

I also just realised that the ministers FTS PR stats, are only for those with links to SCs.
There is FTS for spouses of PR holders, but their stats are not included in the answer.

Thanks, understand now.

I think there is a very good chance that the 4,700 PRs via Spouse of SC (and the 7,600 applicants) are overweight O (relative to the total population split of 1.5% or whatever it is).

[smoulder]

Does this 500 figure consist of all the PR schemes combined (family ties, investment, PTS)?
Or is it PTS only?

Would be interesting to know the breakdown assuming that info was even publicly available.

Ofcourse, the 500+ figure includes all the PR schemes family ties, investment, PTS. Not just the PTS.

And ofcourse, there is no official breakdown of this info online and the obvious reason is for the best interest of the public. But in general, it can be guessed that % of PTS > % of family ties > % of investment. In my opinion, i can give a guestimate of 60-70% for PTS, 25-35% for family ties and <5% for investment (may be practically <2%).

Whats the source of your stats? Plucked out of the air or?