I am seeking advice on the results of my PR application.

[cherikachethan]

Hi everyone, I received a rejection for my PR application just 4 months after applying. This is surprising because my previous attempt, made 4 years ago, was pending for at least 14 months. I would like to know your thoughts on this. Should we have waited a few more years before applying again, especially since we just brought our baby to Singapore 8 months ago and she has just started N1? Another point to consider is that there was a 40% increase in salary from April 23 Should we have waited for at least a year so that this increase is reflected in the IRAS?

Profile:
Salary - 135K annually (Single earning)
Indian
Occupation - IC designer
Family - 3 (me, wife and a 2 year old daughter)
Master's degree from NTU, Singapore (2016 pass out)
Stay - Here since 2015

[sundaymorningstaple]

Why was your daughter born in India and stayed there until over one year old if you were married at least 4 years ago? I personally feel that sends a wrong signal to ICA.

[smoulder]

I'm guessing that it has something to do with the Indian family dynamics - not unusual for the wife to move to her parents house to give birth and stay there while the child is young. It is an important support system for some. That and there's sheer pragmatism - the cost of medical attention is just so much lower in India.

But I do agree with SMS that it probably sends the wrong signal to the ICA... They have their own ways to judge how committed an applicant will be to Singapore and care very little about what the applicant thinks is good for themselves.

[hopeislife]

I'm guessing that it has something to do with the Indian family dynamics - not unusual for the wife to move to her parents house to give birth and stay there while the child is young. It is an important support system for some. That and there's sheer pragmatism - the cost of medical attention is just so much lower in India.

But I do agree with SMS that it probably sends the wrong signal to the ICA... They have their own ways to judge how committed an applicant will be to Singapore and care very little about what the applicant thinks is good for themselves.

I understand that it may be seen as not showing commitment by not having your kid born here. But I am sure ica understands the psychological / emotional and physical support needed when a women is pregnant and is about to give birth.

First time child birth is really a bit anxious experience for any women and this anxiousness or stress can directly affect the mother and even child in womb. There is proven evidence that the mother should be as stressless as possible and relaxed for the health benefit of mother & child. This definitely requires some 'another' person to be in close vicinity to a woman especially if the husband has to work and could not be near her during majority of the day. Also, to have a relaxed mind your brain should feel that your surroundings are very familiar and feeling very used to living there.

An emotional or physical support to a mother in her last few months of pregnancy can only be given mostly by relatives or at least friends. I am sure many people dont go to india to give birth just for the sake of saving money. Definitely spending few thousands of dollars wont stop many from giving birth here especially after knowing that it can benefit the visa approvals for the baby (of course, i personally dont think that having foreign baby born here will increase its pr chances). For example, if you take OP's case definitely his salary can easily afford for a child birth here if he wished for it 4 years ago.

The main reason for any to go to hometown to give birth is that they have people who can support them in all ways (physical and emotional needs) at least for the last few months of pregnancy. Since they are in their hometown where the place is very familiar for them along with familiar people, it gives a huge feeling of safety. As a foreigner, it is not a good idea to insist on giving birth here if the woman feels not feeling much supportive here. Come on, you just want the husband and the pregnant wife to just give birth in a foreign land with no one to give physical or emotional support? just for the sake of getting pr? Its ok that some foreign couples give birth here if they can manage to give birth here, as they may have some good reason for doing so. But if someone just wants to give birth for the sake of getting pr, it is not something to be praised. A birth of a child is a big event in a couples life and the child & mother have every right to be celebrated with all of their grandparents and families' presence and that is the right thing to do.

Im pretty sure ICA is not so heartless to not approve pr for a foreign family just because their kid was not born here. HOWEVER, i do encourage that it is better to bring the baby to sg within few months of birth and live with parents here. Also, you should understand pregnancy can involve complications too, which may require surgery and additional care. The husband cant fight all of this alone as a foreigner. If you are a local, you can give birth here as they may have relatives to support here and even have huge subsidies for some medical emergencies during pregnancy. Asking a foreigner women to do the same thing during critical situations like pregnancy in the name of commitment is not good. Instead encourage to bring the kid to sg within few months of birth and live here.

Let me share you an example of a critical case during pregnancy of a foreign couple in sg and they almost have to go bankrupt.
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[midlet2013]

What if SG was giving Citizenship to anyone born here like the US or Australia. What will happen to this long emotional need explanation.

[sundaymorningstaple]

Talk about a load of crap! The reason is so that the child is given Indian Citizenship. e.g., wanting to burn the candle at both ends . ICA is well aware of that fact. Hopeislife need to get a life. He's living on pipe dreams. ICA doesn't run on charity or good will. They have reasons for almost everything AS IT's CONCERNS ARE TO SINGAPORE and NOT how it impacts the applicant. The sooner he learns that the better off he will be.

[hopeislife]

What if SG was giving Citizenship to anyone born here like the US or Australia. What will happen to this long emotional need explanation.

So is SG giving citizenship to anyone born here?
Hypothetical questions can be answered in anyway you want. So you think all foreigner couple in US or Australia are only giving birth in US or Australia? There are coupleswho do go to their home country for the same reasons (support and care) even if they are working in US or Aus.

Even if SG gives citizenship for a foreigner being born here, there will be many who will just go back to their hometown for child birth for the reasons i have mentioned above. Its up to the individual to decide where to give birth, and if they chose to give birth in sg solely for the reason of pr or citizenship, i will still say its not appreciable. I will still say its pride for a foreigner to qualify for pr (through his/her qualifications and contributions) and then to sgc, rather than just getting it by birth.

And yes, my long emotional need explanation still holds, despite sgc upon birth of a foreign kid from a foreign couple.

[hopeislife]

Talk about a load of crap! The reason is so that the child is given Indian Citizenship. e.g., wanting to burn the candle at both ends . ICA is well aware of that fact. Hopeislife need to get a life. He's living on pipe dreams. ICA doesn't run on charity or good will. They have reasons for almost everything AS IT's CONCERNS ARE TO SINGAPORE and NOT how it impacts the applicant. The sooner he learns that the better off he will be.

Hi SMS, i understand its your opinion. By the way, i am not talking about indian singaporeans who go to india to give birth so that they can register under indian citizenship to save their kid from NS. SO, its not about burning candle at both ends.

There are many kids who are not born in sg, but later got pr under their foreign parents sponsor when applying together for pr as a family and then later to sgc. The place of birth of the foreign kid (not a child born to parent who is sgc) does not greatly influence the kid's pr approval. I do know a handful of real families who got it that way a few years ago. But, i do accept it is better to bring the kids to sg after few months of birth and grow here. All my discussion is related to foreign kid born to foreign parents.

I do understand ica's concerns are to singapore and not how it impacts the applicant. However, i dont think ica is so much concerned (when the foreign parents and kid apply for pr, say when the kid is 2 to 5 yrs old or even older) over the fact that where this foreign kid is born, especially when that foreign kid starts to live in sg since when it was 3 or 4months old.

This is just my opinion. If you feel still what i said is wrong, its up to you or the readers.

[midlet2013]

I don't think there is anything wrong with spending 1 year in India or giving birth due to costs or support, but different people can interpret it differently and you can't reason with that.

Try reasoning with people who don't have an option of cheap medical care or family support back in India. What they may see is work / earn here and then go for medical care / support back in India. Have the best of both.