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PR application - here we go!

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PR application - here we go!

Post by captain_blueballs » Wed, 31 Jan 2024 6:03 pm

Hey folks,

Here's the lowdown:

-Married
-British
-Race: Indian
-42 & 44 years old
-Both university grads
-Combined salary $300,000 per year
-I own and run a marketing agency in Singapore. My wife works in finance
-Pretty self-sufficient
-Love Singapore
-Both healthy and in shape
-I would love to give blood but there's some stupid rule against Brits donating if you lived in the UK from 1980 to 1996 (the Mad Cow Disease era)

Wish me luck!

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Re: PR application - here we go!

Post by hopeislife » Wed, 31 Jan 2024 10:46 pm

captain_blueballs wrote:
Wed, 31 Jan 2024 6:03 pm
Hey folks,

Here's the lowdown:

-Married
-British
-Race: Indian
-42 & 44 years old
-Both university grads
-Combined salary $300,000 per year
-I own and run a marketing agency in Singapore. My wife works in finance
-Pretty self-sufficient
-Love Singapore
-Both healthy and in shape
-I would love to give blood but there's some stupid rule against Brits donating if you lived in the UK from 1980 to 1996 (the Mad Cow Disease era)

Wish me luck!
The economic profile looks good but there are some factors to consider if you read all the posts in this subforum
1) Being british may have a negative impact, as you will most likely wont aim for sg citizenship. PR is a pathway to citizenship.
2) Age quite above 40's which is seen as a negative but not impossible though. However, the main negative could be that they may expect you to apply with a kid. Without kids in application at your age i dont think ICA will consider giving pr.
3) Forget about donating blood if you are doing that for pr.

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Re: PR application - here we go!

Post by captain_blueballs » Thu, 01 Feb 2024 9:17 am

Hey, thanks for the response.

Funnily enough, we are seriously considering Sg citizenship if the govt gives us PR.

Heck, I would love do NS if they let me!

Yes, kids is an issue. Would adoption make any difference?

PS - I'm not donating blood for PR. I do it because its therapy. I find it very relaxing.

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Post by jalanjalan » Thu, 01 Feb 2024 2:45 pm

How long have you been in SG, and what sort of pass are you on now?

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Re: PR application - here we go!

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 01 Feb 2024 8:05 pm

captain_blueballs wrote:
Wed, 31 Jan 2024 6:03 pm
Hey folks,

Here's the lowdown:

-Married
-British
-Race: Indian
-42 & 44 years old
-Both university grads
-Combined salary $300,000 per year
-I own and run a marketing agency in Singapore. My wife works in finance
-Pretty self-sufficient
-Love Singapore
-Both healthy and in shape
-I would love to give blood but there's some stupid rule against Brits donating if you lived in the UK from 1980 to 1996 (the Mad Cow Disease era)

Wish me luck!
The very first question that springs to my mind is....
Are you and your wife both BBI's or were you naturalized? e.g., originally from India? If so, there is probably one of the main reasons why a probable rejection would be my guess.

From your other posts, I am guessing you are still self-employed. Do you also have local employees? if so, how many? If none, another possible reason for rejection as you are not helping Singapore at all, only yourself. Any children? if none, probably another reason as you both are in your 40's. If your spouse hasn't had a viable pregnancy and is already in the 40's then the option of having offspring to contribute to the future of Singapore is virtually nil. Another strike in the negative box.

Add to that, you race has the most applications on an annual year quota so you are not competing against a quota per se, but against '000s of Indians who apply every year, lots with very high qualifications. If you were the government and you had to go through a basket of fruit looking for apples and there were a few lemons in there, they would get tossed out with further ado, but all the apples are just like any other commodity, the buyer is going to pick the cream of the crop, even though all are qualified to be considered apples.

The first scenario you cannot do anything about. The second you have control over but just how much sway that actually has when tossed in with all the other "qualifications" is only subjective. We know it counts, but the weightage we don't know.

The third scenario is the biggest hurdle and you don't even have a qualified pair of track shoes to run the hurdles (at least in the short term but sadly the longer term also sees you getting longer in the tooth as well, therefore age will give way to youth unless you are a brain surgeon with steady hands.

Donations of blood, or kind or services are useless unless you are doing it for personal satisfaction and not personal gain. (Example: in 2 weeks I will be attending a GRL CNY luncheon at our CC. There I will be receiving my 15 year award as a Grass Roots Leader with my local Residents' Committee under the Peoples Association. I didn't join the RC until after my kids finished school, and I'd dispensed with my need for a car (no brownie points for school access or free parking in the estate. I do it because I like helping people, I've been retired now for 4 years but I still am an office holder and active member as well as belonging to a constituency organization under the community centre as well. All I get is personal satisfaction of helping others (kind of like my 19+ years here on this board. :wink:

SMS

NB: If applying for PR as a family, your spouse should be the primary applicant if your salary is accurate as you claimed in another thread.
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers

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Re: PR application - here we go!

Post by Strong Eagle » Fri, 02 Feb 2024 4:49 am

captain_blueballs wrote:
Wed, 31 Jan 2024 6:03 pm
-I own and run a marketing agency in Singapore. My wife works in finance
Is it correct to assume that your wife is on an EP issued by the company she is working for?

As for you, are you on an Entrepass? Or working on an EP that was issued to a Pte Ltd that you formed?

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Post by captain_blueballs » Fri, 02 Feb 2024 11:35 am

Correct, she's got an EP through her employer. My EP is issued through my own Pte Ltd. I'm the founder/director.

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Re: PR application - here we go!

Post by captain_blueballs » Fri, 02 Feb 2024 11:46 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Thu, 01 Feb 2024 8:05 pm
captain_blueballs wrote:
Wed, 31 Jan 2024 6:03 pm
Hey folks,

Here's the lowdown:

-Married
-British
-Race: Indian
-42 & 44 years old
-Both university grads
-Combined salary $300,000 per year
-I own and run a marketing agency in Singapore. My wife works in finance
-Pretty self-sufficient
-Love Singapore
-Both healthy and in shape
-I would love to give blood but there's some stupid rule against Brits donating if you lived in the UK from 1980 to 1996 (the Mad Cow Disease era)

Wish me luck!
The very first question that springs to my mind is....
Are you and your wife both BBI's or were you naturalized? e.g., originally from India? If so, there is probably one of the main reasons why a probable rejection would be my guess.

From your other posts, I am guessing you are still self-employed. Do you also have local employees? if so, how many? If none, another possible reason for rejection as you are not helping Singapore at all, only yourself. Any children? if none, probably another reason as you both are in your 40's. If your spouse hasn't had a viable pregnancy and is already in the 40's then the option of having offspring to contribute to the future of Singapore is virtually nil. Another strike in the negative box.

Add to that, you race has the most applications on an annual year quota so you are not competing against a quota per se, but against '000s of Indians who apply every year, lots with very high qualifications. If you were the government and you had to go through a basket of fruit looking for apples and there were a few lemons in there, they would get tossed out with further ado, but all the apples are just like any other commodity, the buyer is going to pick the cream of the crop, even though all are qualified to be considered apples.

The first scenario you cannot do anything about. The second you have control over but just how much sway that actually has when tossed in with all the other "qualifications" is only subjective. We know it counts, but the weightage we don't know.

The third scenario is the biggest hurdle and you don't even have a qualified pair of track shoes to run the hurdles (at least in the short term but sadly the longer term also sees you getting longer in the tooth as well, therefore age will give way to youth unless you are a brain surgeon with steady hands.

Donations of blood, or kind or services are useless unless you are doing it for personal satisfaction and not personal gain. (Example: in 2 weeks I will be attending a GRL CNY luncheon at our CC. There I will be receiving my 15 year award as a Grass Roots Leader with my local Residents' Committee under the Peoples Association. I didn't join the RC until after my kids finished school, and I'd dispensed with my need for a car (no brownie points for school access or free parking in the estate. I do it because I like helping people, I've been retired now for 4 years but I still am an office holder and active member as well as belonging to a constituency organization under the community centre as well. All I get is personal satisfaction of helping others (kind of like my 19+ years here on this board. :wink:

SMS

NB: If applying for PR as a family, your spouse should be the primary applicant if your salary is accurate as you claimed in another thread.
Some great points.

Personally, I think competing against Indians is the biggest challenge.

Yes, we are both BBI. Our grandparents are from India.

PR rejection isn't the frustration. The frustration comes from people I know who have PR and don't even care, have no plan to have kids (even though they said they would on the application), or don't even live in Sg. I know a couple of PR guys who live in JB and work in Sg. What good is that to Sg?

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Re: PR application - here we go!

Post by captain_blueballs » Fri, 02 Feb 2024 11:49 am

jalanjalan wrote:
Thu, 01 Feb 2024 2:45 pm
How long have you been in SG, and what sort of pass are you on now?
7 years in September and we're both on EPs. My wife's is issued through her employer and I issued mine through my Pte Ltd.

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Post by hopeislife » Fri, 02 Feb 2024 3:01 pm

captain_blueballs wrote:
Fri, 02 Feb 2024 11:46 am
PR rejection isn't the frustration. The frustration comes from people I know who have PR and don't even care, have no plan to have kids (even though they said they would on the application), or don't even live in Sg. I know a couple of PR guys who live in JB and work in Sg. What good is that to Sg?
I hope you will understand my point of view. May be you have to admit that you have a little bit of assumption regarding others who get pr despite not caring or not having kids or not living in sg. All the above mentioned things were done by indians? and same age as you? If the answer is no, then you comparing with them is not fair. The one who lives in jb and work in sg is also a british born indian? No, right? They most likely are malaysian indians or they may have lived here for long enough. Only ica knows what is good to sg. You and i can only speculate.

Only Ica can see the fine differences between your application and those whom you think don’t care or not living here or without kids. each application is a bit different. You are just comparing the only details you know about them. Thats not how pr works.

Now coming back to your question, those prs whom you complain about might have mostly got their prs several years ago when things were way easy. But They will face problems in coming years in some form like REP renewal, especially those who don’t live here for more than 3 years.

SMS has said your drawbacks and in my opinion the factors working against you are 1) age, 2) being BBI, 3) no kids. I am not old enough to give you this advise as i am much less experienced than you in age. “Just plan and have kids asap”. Not just for pr but for starting a family. People in early 30s may postpone having kids with excuses like “i want to stabilise my carrier or i want to save for baby”. you guys would have already amassed wealth with almost 20 yrs of work experience, but i don’t know what’s stopping you? Infact this could be the same question that ica asks within themselves. Of course you might have got your reasons for postponing kids but i think ica usually looks for giving pr or citizenship to those as a family as they see kids as new generation which sg needs to balance the greying population. If some indian couple in their early 40s with no kids get pr then it can only be an outlier. Ofcourse if you want to try again, you can, but don’t get disappointed if it’s not favoured.

And i apologize if you feel any of my sentences look wrong.

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Re: PR application - here we go!

Post by captain_blueballs » Fri, 02 Feb 2024 4:04 pm

hopeislife wrote:
Fri, 02 Feb 2024 3:01 pm
captain_blueballs wrote:
Fri, 02 Feb 2024 11:46 am
PR rejection isn't the frustration. The frustration comes from people I know who have PR and don't even care, have no plan to have kids (even though they said they would on the application), or don't even live in Sg. I know a couple of PR guys who live in JB and work in Sg. What good is that to Sg?
I hope you will understand my point of view. May be you have to admit that you have a little bit of assumption regarding others who get pr despite not caring or not having kids or not living in sg. All the above mentioned things were done by indians? and same age as you? If the answer is no, then you comparing with them is not fair. The one who lives in jb and work in sg is also a british born indian? No, right? They most likely are malaysian indians or they may have lived here for long enough. Only ica knows what is good to sg. You and i can only speculate.

Only Ica can see the fine differences between your application and those whom you think don’t care or not living here or without kids. each application is a bit different. You are just comparing the only details you know about them. Thats not how pr works.

Now coming back to your question, those prs whom you complain about might have mostly got their prs several years ago when things were way easy. But They will face problems in coming years in some form like REP renewal, especially those who don’t live here for more than 3 years.

SMS has said your drawbacks and in my opinion the factors working against you are 1) age, 2) being BBI, 3) no kids. I am not old enough to give you this advise as i am much less experienced than you in age. “Just plan and have kids asap”. Not just for pr but for starting a family. People in early 30s may postpone having kids with excuses like “i want to stabilise my carrier or i want to save for baby”. you guys would have already amassed wealth with almost 20 yrs of work experience, but i don’t know what’s stopping you? Infact this could be the same question that ica asks within themselves. Of course you might have got your reasons for postponing kids but i think ica usually looks for giving pr or citizenship to those as a family as they see kids as new generation which sg needs to balance the greying population. If some indian couple in their early 40s with no kids get pr then it can only be an outlier. Ofcourse if you want to try again, you can, but don’t get disappointed if it’s not favoured.

And i apologize if you feel any of my sentences look wrong.
I understand. Thanks for the help.

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Re: PR application - here we go!

Post by JWNYsg » Sun, 04 Feb 2024 8:21 am

Good luck in your application

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Re: PR application - here we go!

Post by captain_blueballs » Wed, 07 Feb 2024 4:53 pm

JWNYsg wrote:
Sun, 04 Feb 2024 8:21 am
Good luck in your application
Thank you!

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