PR chances in 2024 for Indian - Hope the efforts will be answered

[hopeislife]

Hi forum,
Happy new year. I have been a frequent follower of this subforum regarding pr for more than a year and learnt a lot as i might have read almost all the posts since the beginning. It helped me to remain calm and reduce my anxiety by letting me know the ground reality of the difficulties in getting the pr. Yes, i too have applied my pr long ago.

Although a few in this subforum has been a bit insulting towards indians, i still feel im obliged to give back to this forum by sharing my application story as i think it is not a common case/profile and could be helpful to someone else in a similar situation.

Submitted application around march 2022.
race/nationality: indian
age: ~30
Marital status: single at the time of application.
Length of stay: >9 years now
education: Bachelors in india, masters and PhD in local uni.
occupation / job designation: researcher / scientist in a company under statutory board (in the field related to electronics)
Salary range: ~85k per annum now [ rant: Yeah, quite less than the usual salary that indians post here, but at least around average. Those with 120k or more usually are from IT or finance which do not have large overheads. However, when in the field of physical science, a lot money had to be spend on labs, equipments, fabrication, simulation softwares, etc, which can directly affect our salary though the job is as tough as IT / finance. Anyway, may be let this topic be discussed later ]
Work experience after PhD: ~2.5yrs

circumstance updates during pending:
- updated salary increment after 4months of application.
- Got request to update family CV at 7th month of pending application.
- got married to an indian from india at approximately 8 months after application and updated to ICA.
- Brought spouse under DP after marriage and she got job after 6-7 months of coming here with a salary >50k.
- updated renewed passport last june and this was my last contact with ICA.
- Upload button missing since mid of Dec 2023

No voluntary activities, no blood donation, no recommendation, no agency. I do make some small donations but not more than 700-800 per year. I did think of doing some voluntary activities but i just feel the following reasons prevented me from doing them.
1) It is quite difficult to manage time for such voluntary activities as being a researcher you may need to study or think a lot after work hours too as its not a 9 to 5 job. So practically not easy to adjust the time where the voluntary activities are scheduled and mostly they are on weekdays. Im not saying its impossible, but need to put more extra effort apart from the job which already needs your peak effort.
2) I did go for such voluntary activities for 2 days last year, but my inner conciousness questioned me "So, you are doing this for pr, right?". And this only makes me uncomfortable and slightly guilty, so i did not have the mind to go again at that time. Also, one can see a large number of indians and other ASEAN participants too, whom i feel are there for the same reason.
3) I see many non-indians, getting pr within few years of coming to sg and dont know anything regarding voluntary activities and blood donation, etc. But they seem to get it without a problem, so i feel if you are under PTS better concentrate on work and not much on these community activities. Ofcourse, i encourage everyone to do volunteering if you have time, but not for the sake of pr.

Ok, coming to current situation, till now its pending. Based on most answers in this forum, usually the outcome will be shown in the app after 1 to 3 weeks of upload button disappearance. Now, its more than six weeks for me which is quite surprising. I feel it is going to come in the next few days, however, its quite tough to go through and live this long waiting period after button missing. A total of ~23 months of waiting on stake. Though I personally feel i would get it this time as they have processed my application for a long time and done my education here and along with few other positives, i have read some posts who waited for 23months and then rejected.

Yeah, kind of mixed emotions now, so i just came here to share my story as it could be helpful to someone in this forum, as the stories in the posts of this forum has taught me the reality. I will share the outcome once i get notified. So right now, i just feel a bit tired after realizing all the life battles (meaning studies, phd, work) that I've fought along with the anxiety of waiting for 23 months. I think i can just share this gladiator picture to represent my emotion, like someone who is tired after fighting a long battle, hoping for victory.

Anyway, sorry for such a long post. Lets see how long the string is.

[Wd40]

All the best! The PhD might help you also young age.

[devopsmaster]

@hopeislife Wish you get a positive response this time. I was in a similar situation where upload button went missing on Dec mid . I received a positive outcome yesterday. Wish you all luck

Just to add I too did not have any volunteer or active community efforts or a very great household income. So feel it's literally luck after some basic criteria and there is nothing much we can do other than keep trying

[NYY1]

If forced to take a side, I would guess that it is approved, but who knows...

[ask]

Very well articulated post covering all points in details, hope your wish will come true this time.
I hope all senior members should say something:) about your valuable feedback.

[hopeislife]

@hopeislife Wish you get a positive response this time. I was in a similar situation where upload button went missing on Dec mid . I received a positive outcome yesterday. Wish you all luck

Just to add I too did not have any volunteer or active community efforts or a very great household income. So feel it's literally luck after some basic criteria and there is nothing much we can do other than keep trying

Thanks and good to hear you got approved with family being indian (if i am not wrong). However, one thing i differ from your view is (just my opinion) that its not just luck to get pr and there will be an internal scoring system that ranks applicants. Ofcourse, it still depends on quota and other applicants' profile strenght, but still they award pr with higher score meaning more positives. Im quite satisfied that its not entirely on luck, especially if you are indian.

You havent mentioned your profile anywhere, so could not comment. But definitely there should have been some positive things in your profile, that helped your application to rank better than others in the pool of applicants.

[devopsmaster]

@hopeislife Wish you get a positive response this time. I was in a similar situation where upload button went missing on Dec mid . I received a positive outcome yesterday. Wish you all luck

Just to add I too did not have any volunteer or active community efforts or a very great household income. So feel it's literally luck after some basic criteria and there is nothing much we can do other than keep trying

Thanks and good to hear you got approved with family being indian (if i am not wrong). However, one thing i differ from your view is (just my opinion) that its not just luck to get pr and there will be an internal scoring system that ranks applicants. Ofcourse, it still depends on quota and other applicants' profile strenght, but still they award pr with higher score meaning more positives. Im quite satisfied that its not entirely on luck, especially if you are indian.

You havent mentioned your profile anywhere, so could not comment. But definitely there should have been some positive things in your profile, that helped your application to rank better than others in the pool of applicants.

My profile
Race : Indian
Age : 35
Education : local masters
Profile: developer
Salary : 130k basic
Spouse: Age 30 not working
Kids :(1 boy,1girl)
4th application

Agree did not say complete luck. There might be few checks to filter still for Indian race there might be a lot of applicants with similar profile and then it's just luck.

Personally I don't see it as a standout profile, apart from still surviving here with a 4 member family and all expenses with a single income

To be on the positive side , atleast recently I heard few approvals with similar so-so profiles getting approved which made me more desperate.

I have seen your posts and replies and I really wish you as well all others who are trying to find some stability for their future after investing many years here. A bit of transparency would have made life easier.

[Seaman007]

Hi all

I am an SPR since 2008 and I got married in 2011. I have daughter of 10 y.o. I have tried PR for both of them almost 6 time and all rejected. my daughter is studying local school now .The last application I submitted in 2022 July. October ICA asked to provide the an embassy certified birth certficate and I have submitted it by first week of November. One week back the submit button went missing. its 19 months already. What are the chances of success. It gives bit stress
...any one with experience give some enlightening.

Thanks in advance

[hopeislife]

Yes, the ICA Gods have answered my efforts. My long waiting time has come to an end with an APPROVED status 2 days ago.

Some of the details i might have missed out in my initial post.
1) I applied pr for myself after 7months of job.
2) I had 2.5yrs more to complete MOE obligation at the time of applicaiton. Infact i still have 6 more months left to complete.

As said before, i felt most likely i would get it, but as there are some cases with rejection after 20 months, there was some uncertainty. During the pending period, the following were the factors that could have increased my pending period to 23 months (just my thoughts, may not be facts)
1) I have applied pr before paying 2 NOAs, so may be they wanted me to complete 2 years of work experience after application.
2) My company was about to renew my EP around Feb month, so may be they waited to see if my EP is going to be renewed by the company (indicating stable job after 2 years)
3) The quota for 2022 or 2023 would not have been enough to grant me pr, so they might have waited upto 2024.
4) Marrying during a pending application may have changed the course of my profile evaluation, which might have needed more time to re-evaluate. Though the chance of approval is quite better when you are married than being single, it also depends on whom we marry, i.e., a local or foreigner. But im happy with my decision.
5) There could be better 'fulfilling' profiles families with SC/PR spouses as sponsor, or even indian families with 'complete family' like husband, wife, with 1 or 2 kids. As im the only applicant, with wife not on application, ICA might have thought that 'there is no guarantee that this guy is going to make his wife or his future son to apply pr and serve NS. He may just be on PR and just live and leave later in life'. This uncertainty might have pulled down my rank in the 'priority list of selected canditates'. And once you are down in the rank, you would be in the 'may be later' category. So they might have added 1 more year to my pending period to see marriage stability for 1 year.

Anyway, eventhough the pending period was long, i am happy that my blood, sweat and tears have been answered. I am very happy that i have earned my own PR status with my own effort and sacrifices, instead of being sponsored by anyone. When i saw the word 'Approved' appear on my phone screen when scrolling down the ICA app, i can see flashes of my whole life and the struggles i faced to reach this point. But i have to give some credit to my wife too as she believed in me even without my pr status when getting married. Also, the status of being 'married' might have added me some points and she joined job in a few months of coming here.

Again, i have tried to express my emotion as a gladiator picture, where he is prepared to take on the battles that are about to come further in future with enthusiasm derived from this small victory.

[devopsmaster]

Wow...big congrats.. guess a big relief .

Yes, the ICA Gods have answered my efforts. My long waiting time has come to an end with an APPROVED status 2 days ago.

pr_appr.jpeg

Some of the details i might have missed out in my initial post.
1) I applied pr for myself after 7months of job.
2) I had 2.5yrs more to complete MOE obligation at the time of applicaiton. Infact i still have 6 more months left to complete.

As said before, i felt most likely i would get it, but as there are some cases with rejection after 20 months, there was some uncertainty. During the pending period, the following were the factors that could have increased my pending period to 23 months (just my thoughts, may not be facts)
1) I have applied pr before paying 2 NOAs, so may be they wanted me to complete 2 years of work experience after application.
2) My company was about to renew my EP around Feb month, so may be they waited to see if my EP is going to be renewed by the company (indicating stable job after 2 years)
3) The quota for 2022 or 2023 would not have been enough to grant me pr, so they might have waited upto 2024.
4) Marrying during a pending application may have changed the course of my profile evaluation, which might have needed more time to re-evaluate. Though the chance of approval is quite better when you are married than being single, it also depends on whom we marry, i.e., a local or foreigner. But im happy with my decision.
5) There could be better 'fulfilling' profiles families with SC/PR spouses as sponsor, or even indian families with 'complete family' like husband, wife, with 1 or 2 kids. As im the only applicant, with wife not on application, ICA might have thought that 'there is no guarantee that this guy is going to make his wife or his future son to apply pr and serve NS. He may just be on PR and just live and leave later in life'. This uncertainty might have pulled down my rank in the 'priority list of selected canditates'. And once you are down in the rank, you would be in the 'may be later' category. So they might have added 1 more year to my pending period to see marriage stability for 1 year.

Anyway, eventhough the pending period was long, i am happy that my blood, sweat and tears have been answered. I am very happy that i have earned my own PR status with my own effort and sacrifices, instead of being sponsored by anyone. When i saw the word 'Approved' appear on my phone screen when scrolling down the ICA app, i can see flashes of my whole life and the struggles i faced to reach this point. But i have to give some credit to my wife too as she believed in me even without my pr status when getting married. Also, the status of being 'married' might have added me some points and she joined job in a few months of coming here.

Again, i have tried to express my emotion as a gladiator picture, where he is prepared to take on the battles that are about to come further in future with enthusiasm derived from this small victory.
soldier-happy.jpg

[Wd40]

Congratulations!

[jalanjalan]

congrats

[Wd40]

Adult PRs for OP's community is now being given to only high achievers; PhD holders, data scientists etc. I wonder when a particular community is only made up of high achievers, what is the impact going to be?

[hopeislife]

Adult PRs for OP's community is now being given to only high achievers; PhD holders, data scientists etc. I wonder when a particular community is only made up of high achievers, what is the impact going to be?

In my opinion, ofcourse, ica will not give pr only to high achievers in any community. It will range across different achievement levels of profile within a community. In this forum, those who report their application outcomes and their profiles are very low compared to total applications made. Less than 5% post here, in my guess. With that data we can easily misjudge that its only given to high achievers. Even those with not so high achievement can still get it, if they press the other right buttons.

I will say one recent example from this forum. An indian guy who is 34 years old and works in IT but studied bachelors in sg with around 40k per annum got citizenship within 10yrs of stay in sg. Now if you are an indian coming from india and with the above profile it will be very difficult to get even pr in 10 years. However, this indian guy married a local spouse and has an sc kid, so got the citizenship within 10 to 11 years of stay. So still its possible for average person to get it, but should press the other right buttons. Also, there will be many other malaysian indians who will get with not so high profiles.

[hopeislife]

Just wanted to add another situational circumstance and experience here, if it can help others with similar position.

I tried to search posts with similar situation in this forum, but could not find. Hence, briefing it here.

As explained before, I have obtained my PR approval online (my application was when i was single, hence, wife not included). Im currently on EP and spouse is currently on DP with work permit. My doubt is once i fix the appointment date and complete my PR formalities with ICA, my EP will be cancelled on the same day and some documents will be given for PR status. However, my spouse's DP with work permit will also be cancelled on the same day. I can only apply LTVP after getting my PR formalities done, but LTVP will still need few weeks to get approved. Also, i dont think i can apply LTVP the next day after getting PR as i will still need singpass to be renewed which may take a few days. I have mailed to ica regarding this, and i think they will take a few days to reply. Also, thinking of calling them on monday. However, just thought of asking the forum to get suggestions.

Is there any procedures or ways, that can let her continue her stay and job until i can apply ltvp for her?

If i get any solutions from ica, i will discuss here if it can help others.