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Consequences of renouncing citizenship for children?

Post by irrelevancy » Tue, 23 Jan 2024 12:21 pm

Hi all

Our entire family has migrated to australia almost 10 years ago. My 9 year old son has dual citizenship by descent (aus and singapore).

We don't see ourselves moving back to Singapore and are considering renouncing his singaporean citizenshipship in a few years time, but am wondering what kind of long term consequences doing this before NS this may have (assuming we do it properly to avoid liability)? Even if he did do NS we would probably still renounce at 21 as our lives are pretty rooted in Australia for the foreseeable future.

I know reapplying for citizenship or PR would be close to impossible, but would it also exclude him from even a work visa? Wonder if anyone has experience in this?

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Re: Consequences of renouncing citizenship for children?

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 24 Jan 2024 2:31 am

irrelevancy wrote:
Tue, 23 Jan 2024 12:21 pm
Hi all

Our entire family has migrated to australia almost 10 years ago. My 9 year old son has dual citizenship by descent (aus and singapore).

We don't see ourselves moving back to Singapore and are considering renouncing his singaporean citizenshipship in a few years time, but am wondering what kind of long term consequences doing this before NS this may have (assuming we do it properly to avoid liability)? Even if he did do NS we would probably still renounce at 21 as our lives are pretty rooted in Australia for the foreseeable future.

I know reapplying for citizenship or PR would be close to impossible, but would it also exclude him from even a work visa? Wonder if anyone has experience in this?

Thanks!
If done properly, by the numbers, it shouldn't be a problem.
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Re: Consequences of renouncing citizenship for children?

Post by irrelevancy » Mon, 29 Jan 2024 6:24 am

Thanks - also wondering if there's any benefit to doing NS after (vs before) renouncing (assuming "done by the numbers")? It sounds like people who do renounce after NS still get "blacklisted" from applying for work visas etc?

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Re: Consequences of renouncing citizenship for children?

Post by PNGMK » Mon, 29 Jan 2024 8:18 am

If done properly the door to SC or work permits is not closed for your children, it's just there is no advantage given as a former citizen unlike in some countries such as India with its OiC program.
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Re: Consequences of renouncing citizenship for children?

Post by irrelevancy » Mon, 29 Jan 2024 10:46 am

Interesting that youention the pathway to SC is still open... I've always heard stories about people being blacklisted for giving up citizenship/PR, how does that work ?

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Re: Consequences of renouncing citizenship for children?

Post by PNGMK » Mon, 29 Jan 2024 10:54 am

irrelevancy wrote:
Mon, 29 Jan 2024 10:46 am
Interesting that youention the pathway to SC is still open... I've always heard stories about people being blacklisted for giving up citizenship/PR, how does that work ?
Normally it's because the immigration protocol has not been followed. We have had former PR and SC report here that they have obtained EPs.
I not lawyer/teacher/CPA.
You've been arrested? Law Society of Singapore can provide referrals.
You want an International School job? School website or http://www.ISS.edu
Your rugrat needs a School? Avoid for profit schools
You need Tax advice? Ask a CPA
You ran away without doing NS? Shame on you!

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Re: Consequences of renouncing citizenship for children?

Post by malcontent » Fri, 02 Feb 2024 7:22 am

PNGMK wrote:
Mon, 29 Jan 2024 10:54 am
irrelevancy wrote:
Mon, 29 Jan 2024 10:46 am
Interesting that youention the pathway to SC is still open... I've always heard stories about people being blacklisted for giving up citizenship/PR, how does that work ?
Normally it's because the immigration protocol has not been followed. We have had former PR and SC report here that they have obtained EPs.
My BIL was able to get an EP here have after giving up PR as a teen. In his case he never enjoyed any benefits of PR and never even lived in Singapore prior to giving it up, so not sure if that made a difference. After being on an EP for a few years (early to mid-2000’s) he eventually left Singapore and since then he has only come back as a tourist.
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Re: Consequences of renouncing citizenship for children?

Post by JWNYsg » Sun, 04 Feb 2024 8:13 am

If you genuinely don’t see any of the family coming back to Singapore, I don’t see any downside or consequences for renouncing. Can always come for holiday on tourist visa. Good luck

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Re: Consequences of renouncing citizenship for children?

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