Singapore Spouse PR Chance 2024

[jrrrcircle]

Hi all, I am thinking of applying for PR under family ties scheme.
Based on my profile am hoping to see what you think of my chances.

We plan on having a child if I get PR as our immigration status will be secure + we can get a house much easier.
It also does not sit well with my wife to get pregnant to increase PR chances.

My profile


Race/Age: 31 Canadian Caucasian

Background in SG: On EP Since Feb 2018
Changed to LTVP with PLOC in Feb 2023 (one month after getting married). This is because it is more chill not being tied down to employer + potential healthcare benefits of LTVP+.

Salary/Occupation: 9K a month in IT

Qualifications: Bachelors Degree

Spouse profile

Race/Age: 30 Chinese Singaporean

Salary/Occupation: 4K a month in advertising

Qualifications: Diploma

Realistically is it worth applying?

[MOCHS]

I think you should have applied under FTS when you were on EP instead of converting to LTVP so soon.

Typically should wait 2 years after being married if want to apply under spouse sponsorship.

[jrrrcircle]

Any reason for that? I'm assuming it will still show the 5 years EP on my record + no gap in my working history?

Noted on waiting the 2 years, do you think this will dramatically increase the chances?

[sundaymorningstaple]

Any reason for that? I'm assuming it will still show the 5 years EP on my record + no gap in my working history?

Noted on waiting the 2 years, do you think this will dramatically increase the chances?

It wont dramatically increase the chances, but it will decrease the chances of rejection with things like if filing as soon as you get married and because you are not of the favoured race is it a marriage of convenience? Has happened, and often. Could also been seen that way as you married a Chinese girl (You being of one of the smallest minorities here it would make the most sense to try to get the most bang for your buck). You could probably shorten the wait time to one year if your spouse managed to produce a child by then (permanency-or at least the appearance of. Two years shows them that you are either very stubborn or it's actually a viable marriage. As a long timer here and originally from your southern neighbor, I've been married to a local for over 40 years but it still took me 2 tries when I'd already been here 11 years and produced two kids (one future NS man and one future baby oven).

What looks better than 5 year employment? 5 years with substantial increases/promotions, etc. Or changing of jobs for higher positions. Not satisfied with the status quo. Voluntary lateral job changes don't look too good though.

[jrrrcircle]

Any reason for that? I'm assuming it will still show the 5 years EP on my record + no gap in my working history?

Noted on waiting the 2 years, do you think this will dramatically increase the chances?

It wont dramatically increase the chances, but it will decrease the chances of rejection with things like if filing as soon as you get married and because you are not of the favoured race is it a marriage of convenience? Has happened, and often. Could also been seen that way as you married a Chinese girl (You being of one of the smallest minorities here it would make the most sense to try to get the most bang for your buck). You could probably shorten the wait time to one year if your spouse managed to produce a child by then (permanency-or at least the appearance of. Two years shows them that you are either very stubborn or it's actually a viable marriage. As a long timer here and originally from your southern neighbor, I've been married to a local for over 40 years but it still took me 2 tries when I'd already been here 11 years and produced two kids (one future NS man and one future baby oven).

What looks better than 5 year employment? 5 years with substantial increases/promotions, etc. Or changing of jobs for higher positions. Not satisfied with the status quo. Voluntary lateral job changes don't look too good though.

Noted on that. Will wait out the 2 full years then.

Regarding the 5 years, its 3 different companies all with pay increases of more than 30%.
For reference the first role was 4.5-5Kish and I worked my up to 9-9.5K.

Strangely though, looking at the application form it only asks about current job and not past roles and how much they paid.
Maybe they ask MoM or maybe they only look at current?

[sundaymorningstaple]

Strangely though, looking at the application form it only asks about current job and not past roles and how much they paid.
Maybe they ask MoM or maybe they only look at current?

They have access to MOM & IRAS records as well. Your Tax returns will show that information as will the copies of IR8A's contained in those records. Those records are easily obtained by ICA. Having said that, I wish you luck.

[jrrrcircle]

Strangely though, looking at the application form it only asks about current job and not past roles and how much they paid.
Maybe they ask MoM or maybe they only look at current?

They have access to MOM & IRAS records as well. Your Tax returns will show that information as will the copies of IR8A's contained in those records. Those records are easily obtained by ICA. Having said that, I wish you luck.

Thanks for all the useful info

I will wait until 2 years of marriage before applying.
Will try to update you and this forum on the outcome so that maybe it can be helpful to someone else in the future

[hopeislife]

We plan on having a child if I get PR as our immigration status will be secure + we can get a house much easier.
It also does not sit well with my wife to get pregnant to increase PR chances.

I think the mods and others have suggested you regarding your query, but one thing i would like to add is that getting a house and wanting to be secure before having a kid should not be the sole reason to become a pr. Glad that you are not an indian, else you would have been insulted a lot here for giving reasons like property buying and security for having a kid, to get pr.

[sundaymorningstaple]

hopeislife, we are going to give you an honorary new nick. Tiktok2. You are becoming our newest live-in troll. If you don't want to be insulted, don't give us reasons to take the mickey out.

[jrrrcircle]

They have access to MOM & IRAS records as well. Your Tax returns will show that information as will the copies of IR8A's contained in those records. Those records are easily obtained by ICA. Having said that, I wish you luck.

Have an update.

We have decided to apply this month.

Main reason is we are on salary cusp of receiving a grant from HDB + it does not help that at our age all our local friends are flexing their renovations.
We are also in a SCT dispute with a former terrible landlord, making the thought of renting indefinitely a nightmare.

Completely understand that its not the best idea to apply so early into marriage.
We are making this decision while informed of the realities involved.

Our reason for PR is to sink roots here. The things about housing/kids future are tied to the reason for our timelines in seeking PR not our sole reason for seeking PR.

I'm sorry that there are certain races in this forum who get insulted for seeking such reasons. I would recommend hitting the banhammer on those doing the insulting if it is that obvious.

Will keep yall informed on the outcome

[MOCHS]

Everyone wants subsidies and grants for healthcare and housing, ICA isn’t blind to that whenever someone applies PR or SC so soon.

You have to understand these monetary discounts are just a bonus. You have to show ICA you are financially stable enough to afford housing & healthcare without grants/subsidies. This “I want PR/SC for subsidy” mindset has to change.

[jrrrcircle]

Everyone wants subsidies and grants for healthcare and housing, ICA isn’t blind to that whenever someone applies PR or SC so soon.

You have to understand these monetary discounts are just a bonus. You have to show ICA you are financially stable enough to afford housing & healthcare without grants/subsidies. This “I want PR/SC for subsidy” mindset has to change.

If SG PR had no housing/healthcare/other benefits or subsidies we would still be pursuing it to the best of our means.
This is because we plan to build a life and family here + try and contribute back.

Totally agree with you that applying just for the bonuses is unfair and not the correct move for a cohesive society.

The bonuses are only impacting the the timeliness of our application.
They do not have an impact on the ultimate goal/purpose of our application.

I can understand that the earlier comments are super summarised + not written super well so it may not come off like that tho.

[roslind.fong]

Not very good chance Family ties dont count for that much nor the salary. There are a lot of top income earners working in Singapore nowadays, who also want to get PR etc. Your race is miniority so despite married to Singaporean lady, they will classify you under minority and not Chinese according to the race of your spouse.

[sundaymorningstaple]

Not very good chance Family ties dont count for that much nor the salary. There are a lot of top income earners working in Singapore nowadays, who also want to get PR etc. Your race is miniority so despite married to Singaporean lady, they will classify you under minority and not Chinese according to the race of your spouse.

I beg to differ. I believe today, the parents have the choice to choose the baby's race if mixed. Same also with the family name can be either one or hyphenated now. (not like when my two were born back in the 1980's). Oh, and family ties DO count for a lot. I can vouch for that myself.

[jalanjalan]

Family ties has it's own scheme, so it does count in that regard. As for approval within that scheme, here are some stats for info:

"From 2019 to 2021, under the FTS, an average of 9,500 PR applications per year were processed. Seven thousand and six hundred were from spouses of citizens, with 62% approved. Six hundred were from unmarried minor children of citizens, with 24% approved. One thousand and three hundred were from parents of citizens, with 2% approved."

https://www.mha.gov.sg/mediaroom/parlia ... ree-years/