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PR Chances 2023/24

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PR Chances 2023/24

Post by ManUSg » Thu, 19 Oct 2023 6:26 pm

Hi All

Moved from the UK to SG a couple of years ago and am considering applying for a PR, however, have been getting mixed feedback about my chances, so would welcome any feedback :)

Nationality: British
Race: Indian
Age: 44
Applying for: Myself (EP) + Spouse (Was on EP but now DP, after redundancy) + 2 Boys (age 12 and 9 – go to a British International School)
Education: Masters from a top business school in India + Bachelors from a top school in Australia.
Time in SG: 2 yrs. 3 months. Have filed 2 years' tax returns.
Occupation: Sr. Director – Supply Chain Transformation (Digitalization and Analytics). Global role, manage a team in Singapore as well.
Employer: Big Brand. Global Firm (15k+ employees, $10bn+ revenue)
Salary: 350k+ pa + bonus
Not much volunteer work – Donate money to a charity + Wife volunteers a few hours a month. Based on what I’ve read on this forum these make little to no difference, if at all.
Wife has family in SG (Aunt and Cousins)

Look forward to your feedback. Thank you!

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Re: PR Chances 2023/24

Post by hopeislife » Thu, 19 Oct 2023 11:15 pm

Dear sir,
I am just a forum reader here and although i am not an expert i have just given by opinion below.
ManUSg wrote:
Thu, 19 Oct 2023 6:26 pm
Moved from the UK to SG a couple of years ago and am considering applying for a PR, however, have been getting mixed feedback about my chances, so would welcome any feedback :)
Nationality: British
Race: Indian
1) Kindly think why SG has to give you PR, when you are already naturalized citizen in UK while being born in india (i guess)? You have already shown your final destination / retirement is going to be in UK, then why SG should consider you for PR? Here, PR is generally seen as a stepping stone to SG citizenship. So are you willing to give up your UK citizenship? Already the quota for indians is quite low or nil to adjust the demographics.
ManUSg wrote: Age: 44
This age in general has quite low chance as the number of years left for you to contribute is quite less.
ManUSg wrote: Applying for: Myself (EP) + Spouse (Was on EP but now DP, after redundancy) + 2 Boys (age 12 and 9 – go to a British International School)
2)Just because you have 2 sons it is not going to increase your chances. There are many indian families with 2 sons but not awarded pr. Also, since you send them to international school it is not seen as positive to give pr.
ManUSg wrote: Education: Masters from a top business school in India + Bachelors from a top school in Australia.
3) Kindly think why they should give you pr when pretty much more than 60% indians here, have similar or better educational background than you in terms of degree. So again this is not going to make a big difference but it is good to have it. On a side note, you really have travelled to a lot of places. India->australia->UK->Sg. I don't think they are going to like this aspect when it comes to giving you pr. It may not be seen as an international experience, rather, it would look like some person going to many developed countries to try their luck in residency and exploit.
ManUSg wrote: Time in SG: 2 yrs. 3 months. Have filed 2 years' tax returns.
3) Kindly think, why they should give you pr, when there are thousands of indians in EP/SP (single or family) have been literally working hard here for almost 8 to 10years, but they have been denied pr.
ManUSg wrote: Occupation: Sr. Director – Supply Chain Transformation (Digitalization and Analytics). Global role, manage a team in Singapore as well.
Employer: Big Brand. Global Firm (15k+ employees, $10bn+ revenue)
Salary: 350k+ pa + bonus
All these big terminologies and big number for your salary, may look good for your profile. However, it will do you harm than good when it comes to pr. As they may see it as a high salary which is flight risk, i.e. you would be transferred by your company elsewhere or you would move on to greener pastures. Higher salary does not equate to better profile. Even scientific researchers work harder than a supply chain director, but may not be paid as much because the research will need huge overheads thereby limiting their salaries. Anyway, this is a different topic and lets have it some other time. So huge salary is good to have but may become a negative point.
ManUSg wrote: Not much volunteer work – Donate money to a charity + Wife volunteers a few hours a month. Based on what I’ve read on this forum these make little to no difference, if at all.
You are right that now volunteering may not be seen as a positive.
ManUSg wrote: Wife has family in SG (Aunt and Cousins)
Only direct family members who are citizens will matter. So your wife's aunt and cousins being citizens most likely wont matter for your pr.

The above are just my opinion and apologies if anything sounded harsh. Anyways, you can apply and see your chances.

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Re: PR Chances 2023/24

Post by ManUSg » Fri, 20 Oct 2023 12:56 am

Thanks, hopeislife.

Firstly, I really appreciate the time you have taken to send a detailed reply.

My career and experience are what they are, and it was interesting to read your analysis and conclusions. At my age, I would rather apply early than later but I do understand that the number of PRs granted compared to applications made is low and it's been getting tougher, so I will try and manage my expectations accordingly :)

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Re: PR Chances 2023/24

Post by NYY1 » Fri, 20 Oct 2023 8:53 am

ManUSg wrote:
Fri, 20 Oct 2023 12:56 am
...
My career and experience are what they are, and it was interesting to read your analysis and conclusions. At my age, I would rather apply early than later but I do understand that the number of PRs granted compared to applications made is low and it's been getting tougher, so I will try and manage my expectations accordingly :)
I generally think people are better off waiting vs. applying early and repeatedly (have mentioned this before). However, in your case I may roll the dice and give it a shot now. Assuming nothing else changes in a big way, ticking the 5-year box vs. the 2-year box is only going to do so much (not saying it wouldn't help).

There are some positives and some challenges. Likely need some good fortune, now or then.

Good luck and regards...

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Re: PR Chances 2023/24

Post by ManUSg » Fri, 20 Oct 2023 9:37 am

Thanks, NYY1.

Yes, that's where I am as well. In my case applying early or later might not make a material difference, as things that I would accumulate during that time (age/experience, progression, earnings, etc.) - which I would normally see as positives, might actually work against me in this process. I would have more time spent in SG and the opportunity to integrate further as well, however, I am not sure how to prove that, within the current prescribed application process and documentation.

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Re: PR Chances 2023/24

Post by ManUSg » Mon, 27 May 2024 12:09 am

Quick update - My PR has been approved :)

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Re: PR Chances 2023/24

Post by korosensei » Mon, 27 May 2024 11:02 am

Congrats!

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