PR Chances 2024

[PanseSO]

Hi All!

We are a couple fairly new to Singapore (arrived in February 2022) but quite determined to stay in Singapore for the long term. As such, we are considering applying to PR in June 2024 as we are expecting a baby in March 2024 and by then we would have been slightly over 2 years in SG.

Some context about ourselves:

Me
Job: Tech Sales
Age: 32
Race: Caucasian
Nationality: Italian
Length of stay in Singapore: Slightly over 2 years by the time we apply.
Annual salary: S$300,000+ (OTE) (EP Holder)
Qualifications: Master Degree

Wife
Job: House wife
Age: 31
Nationality: South Korea
Length of stay in Singapore: Same as me
Qualifications: Bachelors Degree

Additional information perhaps worth mentioning is that since we arrived we have been living in a HDB state outside of the main expat locations. Unsure whether this would add points to our application by illustrating our willingness to integrate?

It would be great to get feedback from anybody with experience in going through PR applications on what our chances seem to be based upon our current situation?

Thank you!

[singaporeflyer]

Hi All!

We are a couple fairly new to Singapore (arrived in February 2022) but quite determined to stay in Singapore for the long term. As such, we are considering applying to PR in June 2024 as we are expecting a baby in March 2024 and by then we would have been slightly over 2 years in SG.

Some context about ourselves:

Me
Job: Tech Sales
Age: 32
Race: Caucasian
Nationality: Italian
Length of stay in Singapore: Slightly over 2 years by the time we apply.
Annual salary: S$300,000+ (OTE) (EP Holder)
Qualifications: Master Degree

Wife
Job: House wife
Age: 31
Nationality: South Korea
Length of stay in Singapore: Same as me
Qualifications: Bachelors Degree

Additional information perhaps worth mentioning is that since we arrived we have been living in a HDB state outside of the main expat locations. Unsure whether this would add points to our application by illustrating our willingness to integrate?

It would be great to get feedback from anybody with experience in going through PR applications on what our chances seem to be based upon our current situation?

Thank you!

Welcome to SG.

• Based on the details given and applying after 2 years of stay in SG, PR chance is close to 0.

• No points for staying in HDB

• You will need atleast 4-5 years of work and stay to have a minimum chance for PR

[sundaymorningstaple]

What SF failed to mention is the fact that as the primary applicant, as a Caucasian you are in the most heavily oversubscribed ethnic category "others" which includes EVERYBODY who doesn't fall into the CIM of the CIMO ethnic clusters (C-Chinese; I-Indian; & M-Malay) This makes it even harder and the job description doesn't seem like it's in short supply (Tech Sales could mean anything from selling CNC Routers for woodworking to IT of one sort or another - Still sales). Otherwise I have to agree with SF's prognosis.

[hopeislife]

Hi All!

We are a couple fairly new to Singapore (arrived in February 2022) but quite determined to stay in Singapore for the long term. As such, we are considering applying to PR in June 2024 as we are expecting a baby in March 2024 and by then we would have been slightly over 2 years in SG.

Some context about ourselves:

Me
Job: Tech Sales
Age: 32
Race: Caucasian
Nationality: Italian
Length of stay in Singapore: Slightly over 2 years by the time we apply.
Annual salary: S$300,000+ (OTE) (EP Holder)
Qualifications: Master Degree

Wife
Job: House wife
Age: 31
Nationality: South Korea
Length of stay in Singapore: Same as me
Qualifications: Bachelors Degree

Additional information perhaps worth mentioning is that since we arrived we have been living in a HDB state outside of the main expat locations. Unsure whether this would add points to our application by illustrating our willingness to integrate?

It would be great to get feedback from anybody with experience in going through PR applications on what our chances seem to be based upon our current situation?

Thank you!

Yes, i was delusional like you when i first came to singapore but at a different stage of life than you are. Please take time and read through the forum to understand the reality. I know why you feel confident in applying PR and it is mainly due to your salary, but the criteria for PR is a lot of things other than salary. By reading the details of of your writing, i personally feel i should meet you personally and give a seminar for 15 to 20 minutes to make you realize the real challenge of PR. The moderators have already said your chances, but it is not just about that. I pray that you soon realize the toughness of getting pr and come out of your delusions. I say so, because i was in such a delusion for first three years in sg until i realized the competition. And the moment you realize, it will be quite painful as you might have already been here for 3 to 4years and feel like your efforts are all in vain. I wish i had someone to make me realize the difficulty of pr when i came to sg. So it is better for you to understand the reality within the first 1 or 2years in sg, so that you dont get your hopes high and you won't be disappointed later. If you want to apply, just apply without having any expectation.

[life404]

Hi All,

I applied PR application on Feb 04 2023.
I keep watching the result every day and the status is still Pending.
Can you share your experience when you got result outcome?

I found some posts that the status changed on Sunday midnight.

I will keep waiting patiently.

Appreciate for your knowledge sharing.

[MOCHS]

Recently someone got a result after 30.5 months of waiting.

How long is a piece of string?

Just have to be patient.

[ask]

If I’m not wrong 30 plus months of wait is for Citizenship not PR

[MOCHS]

The processing time for either will be more or less the same. Some wait longer, some wait shorter. How long is a piece of string?

[smoulder]

What SF failed to mention is the fact that as the primary applicant, as a Caucasian you are in the most heavily oversubscribed ethnic category "others" which includes EVERYBODY who doesn't fall into the CIM of the CIMO ethnic clusters (C-Chinese; I-Indian; & M-Malay) This makes it even harder and the job description doesn't seem like it's in short supply (Tech Sales could mean anything from selling CNC Routers for woodworking to IT of one sort or another - Still sales). Otherwise I have to agree with SF's prognosis.

Both husband and wife are in the others category. So unfortunately, not many "positives".... At least in our understanding of the ICAs criteria.

[Timothy Paz]

Hi Folks, looking for some advice on PR chances. Slightly unique circumstances and so having some trouble figuring out where I exactly stand (guessing not in a good place)

Me:
31 year old Indian
Married with 2 year old son (both wife and son are Singaporean)
Bachelors and Masters from India (top IIT/ IIM)
Work in professional services/ consulting
Time in Singapore: Oct 2016 - Jan 2018, Jul 2019 - Mar 2022
Currently in the US
Last drawn total comp (incl performance bonus) in Singapore (2021) was ~400k SGD and consistently earned more than 300k in every “full year” I was in Singapore
Also own a condo with my wife which we have rented out since we currently live in the US
Current pay is 500-600k USD in the US
Currently have an LTVP+ with PLOC. Was on EP when I worked in Singapore. Thinking of applying for the ONEPASS

Wife:
31 year old Singaporean
Works in Finance in the US and used to work in finance in Singapore
Total income for her is about 400-500k USD in the US
Last full year comp in Singapore was ~300k SGD (incl bonus) in 2021

My question:
We are looking to move back to Singapore in a year or two, in time for our son to join primary school in Singapore.
I’ve tried looking for a job in Singapore from the US but most companies/ recruiters don’t understand what the LTVP+ pass is and assume I’ll need an EP (I won’t) and so I’m finding it hard to move with a job
I was thinking if it makes sense for me to apply for a PR, hope it gets approve and then use that to move back and find a job. How feasible is this plan? What are the chances of getting the PR? Will I be better placed just coming to Singapore and looking for a job using my ONEPASS/ LTVP+ and then apply for PR?

Thanks!

[smoulder]

Hi Folks, looking for some advice on PR chances. Slightly unique circumstances and so having some trouble figuring out where I exactly stand (guessing not in a good place)

Me:
31 year old Indian
Married with 2 year old son (both wife and son are Singaporean)
Bachelors and Masters from India (top IIT/ IIM)
Work in professional services/ consulting
Time in Singapore: Oct 2016 - Jan 2018, Jul 2019 - Mar 2022
Currently in the US
Last drawn total comp (incl performance bonus) in Singapore (2021) was ~400k SGD and consistently earned more than 300k in every “full year” I was in Singapore
Also own a condo with my wife which we have rented out since we currently live in the US
Current pay is 500-600k USD in the US
Currently have an LTVP+ with PLOC. Was on EP when I worked in Singapore. Thinking of applying for the ONEPASS

Wife:
31 year old Singaporean
Works in Finance in the US and used to work in finance in Singapore
Total income for her is about 400-500k USD in the US
Last full year comp in Singapore was ~300k SGD (incl bonus) in 2021

My question:
We are looking to move back to Singapore in a year or two, in time for our son to join primary school in Singapore.
I’ve tried looking for a job in Singapore from the US but most companies/ recruiters don’t understand what the LTVP+ pass is and assume I’ll need an EP (I won’t) and so I’m finding it hard to move with a job
I was thinking if it makes sense for me to apply for a PR, hope it gets approve and then use that to move back and find a job. How feasible is this plan? What are the chances of getting the PR? Will I be better placed just coming to Singapore and looking for a job using my ONEPASS/ LTVP+ and then apply for PR?

Thanks!

Everything looks pretty good about your profile except for the part where you live in the US. Why do you think the ICA would give you permanent residency when you are not resident?

[NYY1]

Hi Folks, looking for some advice on PR chances. Slightly unique circumstances and so having some trouble figuring out where I exactly stand (guessing not in a good place)

Me:
31 year old Indian
Married with 2 year old son (both wife and son are Singaporean)
Bachelors and Masters from India (top IIT/ IIM)
Work in professional services/ consulting
Time in Singapore: Oct 2016 - Jan 2018, Jul 2019 - Mar 2022
Currently in the US
Last drawn total comp (incl performance bonus) in Singapore (2021) was ~400k SGD and consistently earned more than 300k in every “full year” I was in Singapore
Also own a condo with my wife which we have rented out since we currently live in the US
Current pay is 500-600k USD in the US
Currently have an LTVP+ with PLOC. Was on EP when I worked in Singapore. Thinking of applying for the ONEPASS

Wife:
31 year old Singaporean
Works in Finance in the US and used to work in finance in Singapore
Total income for her is about 400-500k USD in the US
Last full year comp in Singapore was ~300k SGD (incl bonus) in 2021

My question:
We are looking to move back to Singapore in a year or two, in time for our son to join primary school in Singapore.
I’ve tried looking for a job in Singapore from the US but most companies/ recruiters don’t understand what the LTVP+ pass is and assume I’ll need an EP (I won’t) and so I’m finding it hard to move with a job
I was thinking if it makes sense for me to apply for a PR, hope it gets approve and then use that to move back and find a job. How feasible is this plan? What are the chances of getting the PR? Will I be better placed just coming to Singapore and looking for a job using my ONEPASS/ LTVP+ and then apply for PR?

Thanks!

If you are eligible (seems to be the case), I think I would apply for ONEPASS, as you should be able to get this faster. Then, you can start looking for a job from abroad without needing to explain LTVP+.

At best, PR will take several months (could be 6 months to a year) and may or may not be approved. Nevertheless, you should not have any issues getting PR once you are here.

Of course, you can also try to get a transfer here, but I assume that is not feasible for some reason.

Good luck.

[MOCHS]

If company HR don’t understand what is LTVP+, you have to educate them.

Eg. “Married to Singaporean with ICA-issued Long Term Visit Plus Pass. No foreign worker quota, levy, CPF if you hire me.”

Also, you’re not in SG. Like what smoulder said, why should PR be granted to someone who isn’t physically in the country right now? So what if you have SC wife & son? You gotta be here and then apply to have better chances.

[Timothy Paz]

Yeah that’s what I also thought. Wishful thinking that I could apply for PR then come over

[MOCHS]

Look up Sunjackal’s thread. He is the only successful case I know so far of someone kickstarting PR overseas in Mar 2021, before relocating to SG within 1-2 months, got his LTVP and a job, then his PR was approved 13 months later in Apr 2022. (He has been married for a few years and has SC son when he applied)

The key is relocate to SG straightaway after you apply PR and get employed.