PR approval chances 2023

[Vj050491]

Hi,

Applying for PR 4th time along with my male baby going to Infant care.

Race : Indian
Hubby :Data Manager in a world’s top 10 media company
Salary : 150k +
Masters from Singapore, here for 9+ years
His only sister became Singaporean last year.

Myself : Data engineer in Public company
Salary : 75K+
Masters from Singapore , finished MOE obligation bond and staying here from 2018.

Both from Tamil background.

My question is : All the 4 times my hubby was the primary applicant, and this time I applied as the primary applicant.

Will there be a difference or will it be considered that I am applying for the first time ? Also looking for input on my chances for approval?

TIA

[hopeislife]

Hi,

Applying for PR 4th time along with my male baby going to Infant care.

Race : Indian
Hubby :Data Manager in a world’s top 10 media company
Salary : 150k +
Masters from Singapore, here for 9+ years
His only sister became Singaporean last year.

Myself : Data engineer in Public company
Salary : 75K+
Masters from Singapore , finished MOE obligation bond and staying here from 2018.

Both from Tamil background.

My question is : All the 4 times my hubby was the primary applicant, and this time I applied as the primary applicant.

Will there be a difference or will it be considered that I am applying for the first time ? Also looking for input on my chances for approval?

TIA

The below is just my opinion and you can ignore if you feel so:

It is not going to be easy, and the competition is still tougher. You have not mentioned your ages, but i assume you both could be around 35. Salary seems ok, but still most Indians get around this. You should know by now that many Indians are in software now, which means its going to be a rough ride for them to decide as many indians will be from the same background. Nowadays, doing Masters in singapore does not add much value to your PR application (it could have had a large impact before 2010 but not anymore). Because, there are thousands of indian students enrolling for masters each year in SG and more than half of indian PR applicants might have done some form of local education. I know this because i have been through that path. Also, you may think being Thamizh could improve your chance, but I would personally say it would not make much difference either, because it is also oversubscribed within indian quota. I am Thamizh too, so i know its unfortunate.

His sister becoming a singaporean could be due to a lot of reasons related to her family nucleus and the time she got her PR first. If it was before 2010, then she might have been just lucky to get it in first place. Having a local sibling MAY help in your chances, but will it be enough to sway the decision to your favor, is anyone's guess. I say this because if you read enough of the forum, there are many people who cannot get pr, when their siblings are already a local. Also, being an Indian, 9 years in sg is not a huge time as per my current observation. I would say an average indian who gets PR nowadays have lived in sg for around 10years. So 9yrs is just an 'OK' time i would say. I am too in the same boat. If you apply now it might take atleast 12months for the result, but who knows, you apply and see your chances. In short, in my eyes, except for the singaporean sister and both doing masters here, everything else about your family looks very similar to hundreds of indian families applying here, i.e., with ~200K family income, 7 to 10yrs stay in sg, 1 boy or girl, one of the parents studied here. Anyway, forget whatever i have said above, it is just my opinion.

The moderators here can help you a lot more if you can provide the following:
- your ages
- your son's age or schooling details
- previous pr application years and what is the difference between current application and previous rejected one.
- his sister's work background or family background.

[NYY1]

Hi,

Applying for PR 4th time along with my male baby going to Infant care.

Race : Indian
Hubby :Data Manager in a world’s top 10 media company
Salary : 150k +
Masters from Singapore, here for 9+ years
His only sister became Singaporean last year.

Myself : Data engineer in Public company
Salary : 75K+
Masters from Singapore , finished MOE obligation bond and staying here from 2018.

Both from Tamil background.

My question is : All the 4 times my hubby was the primary applicant, and this time I applied as the primary applicant.

Will there be a difference or will it be considered that I am applying for the first time ? Also looking for input on my chances for approval?

TIA

I'm not sure why you changed the main applicant? I think the main applicant having a higher salary is preferred, absent some job specialisation for the other spouse (whether A or B applies as the main applicant, they know the couple has applied before).

Assuming this is the first time applying with a male offspring and combined with all of the other factors, I'd give you a reasonable chance of success (whatever that is).

Just curious, were all of the previous applications (unclear whether there were three or four previous applications with you husband as the main applicant) decided in approximately six months or less (+/-)?

Good luck and regards.

[Vj050491]

Thanks for your perspective, just a small hope if we get through.

Anyways here are my answers:

your ages : Both 32
- your son's age or schooling details : 10 months old, into a premium pre-school
- previous pr application years and what is the difference between current application and previous rejected one. -

1st one in 2018 - same year I came to singapore
2nd one - 2021 , 3rd 2022 - both rejected in 3 months.

Last reject - Sep’22 , now applied in Aug 2023

- his sister's work background or family background. - his sister was granted PR around 2017 and citizenship in 2022. Her profile is extraordinary, don’t want to share more.

[therat]

Thanks for your perspective, just a small hope if we get through.

Anyways here are my answers:

your ages : Both 32
- your son's age or schooling details : 10 months old, into a premium pre-school
- previous pr application years and what is the difference between current application and previous rejected one. -

1st one in 2018 - same year I came to singapore
2nd one - 2021 , 3rd 2022 - both rejected in 3 months.

Last reject - Sep’22 , now applied in Aug 2023

- his sister's work background or family background. - his sister was granted PR around 2017 and citizenship in 2022. Her profile is extraordinary, don’t want to share more.

est 2014 - Husband arrived
1st - rejected on 2018 . Expected, not surprise. Wife arrived in Singapore
2nd - 2021 (rejected in 3 months)
3rd - Applied June 2022 ; reject Sept 2022 (rejected in 3 months)
4th - applied Aug 2023

Base on above data , the different between 3rd and 4th application is the additional of child.

Rejection in 3 months time, the decision making was very fast

[hopeislife]

Thanks for your perspective, just a small hope if we get through.

Anyways here are my answers:

your ages : Both 32
- your son's age or schooling details : 10 months old, into a premium pre-school
- previous pr application years and what is the difference between current application and previous rejected one. -

1st one in 2018 - same year I came to singapore
2nd one - 2021 , 3rd 2022 - both rejected in 3 months.

Last reject - Sep’22 , now applied in Aug 2023

- his sister's work background or family background. - his sister was granted PR around 2017 and citizenship in 2022. Her profile is extraordinary, don’t want to share more.

Hi, one thing that bugs me from what you have shared is that the previous PR applications have been rejected in a very short span of time. Usually, it may be looked upon positively if your previous application as been for around 12months before getting rejected, as this could mean sg slightly considered your application. However, if it is just a 3month turn around time, then something straight away did not fulfil one of the pr criteria. This is just my silly guess, not sure what could that thing be.

I understand that you dont want to reveal too much of his sister's profile, but just giving an outline should be enough. Its ok if you dont want to detail it further, but from your description it looks like his sister may be in some medical or pharmaceutical field, as usually they were preferred much during the 2015-2020 time, sometimes even now. I say so, because i remembered about a profile that was similar to what you have said about his sister.

Hi Indian family, PR since March 2017
2 kids in local school p3 & p4
Hubby doctor
wife in pharma

Combined income 300k annually

We had applied for citizenship first time in May 2019 - Rejected Dec 2020.

2nd application-
hubby jumped a grade with salary increment.

Applied in Oct 2021. Awaiting outcome.

Anybody in similar circumstances (2nd application) can share your timeline ?

Thank you !

I dont know if this is his sister's profile, but pasting it here to say that if the profile is extraordinary (like you have described) and the one like above then they would get it. Anyway, convey my wishes to curious billu if it is your relative. Since you have applied, just wait and see.

[Vj050491]

Hello there,

We submitted our application in the end of August 2023 and this week ‘apply for PR’ button has disappeared however PTU is still there.

Any positive flags or happened to someone before ?

[singaporeflyer]

Hello there,

We submitted our application in the end of August 2023 and this week ‘apply for PR’ button has disappeared however PTU is still there.

Any positive flags or happened to someone before ?

How will that help you? Please wait for 2 weeks

[hopeislife]

Hello there,

We submitted our application in the end of August 2023 and this week ‘apply for PR’ button has disappeared however PTU is still there.

Any positive flags or happened to someone before ?

Usually the 'apply for PR' button has nothing to do with the outcome of the application. It is the 'proceed to upload' button disappearance that will indicate that the result is going to come in a few weeks time. Since you say your 'proceed to upload' button is still there, then it is just nothing to be seen as a positive or negative. The apply for PR button might have disappeared due to glitch or due to the fact that you already have a pr application. By the way, since you only submitted last August, and if the result is about to come now, then most likely it can be a negative result, as the usual rejections can come around 4 to 6 months (very rarely it can be positive).

So right now, from what you said, there is nothing anticipate for now. When you see the proceed to upload button missing, then you can start thinking about seeing signs, panicking, or happy that some result is going to come or whatever.

[Vj050491]

Hi Moderators,

Quick check on our application:

—Applied in Aug 2023
—Updated ICA on my promotion & pay hike ( primary applicant ) during start of May’24
—Proceed to upload button missing since May 31st.

Its been currently 9 mos and 2 weeks , is it too short time for Indian profiles to be approved?

Any thoughts?

[Vj050491]

Received an update last night, as expected it is unsuccessful. Not sure what is lacking in the eyes of ICA.

Will try again next year with small improvements.

[sundaymorningstaple]

Received an update last night, as expected it is unsuccessful. Not sure what is lacking in the eyes of ICA.

Will try again next year with small improvements.

Have you even bothered to read any of the huge numbers of threads on this topic? Doesn't sound like it.

[Vj050491]

Understand the ideal waiting period to re-apply is 2 years. Be it 1 or 2 years, won’t make a big difference as we may not jump jobs or have another baby very soon.

All that we can do is wait for yearly hike(usually 3-5) at our companies and re-apply with more clear documents etc. We both got promoted recently so cannot expect a promotion for next 3 years at the least.

In fact, once a person makes a family and has a stable job then there isn’t really a breakthrough afterwards

[singaporeflyer]

Understand the ideal waiting period to re-apply is 2 years. Be it 1 or 2 years, won’t make a big difference as we may not jump jobs or have another baby very soon.

All that we can do is wait for yearly hike(usually 3-5) at our companies and re-apply with more clear documents etc. We both got promoted recently so cannot expect a promotion for next 3 years at the least.

In fact, once a person makes a family and has a stable job then there isn’t really a breakthrough afterwards

1 or 2 years won't make a difference? Sure?

• Based on what you said if you wait 2 years - possibility of overall 10% increase in salary vs 5%?
  Duration of stay in SG also increases?
  There will be some improvement in your career too?