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Advice on Child's PR / Future NS Liabilities

Post by elniaboroughs » Fri, 08 Sep 2023 12:57 pm

Hi,

I am a SG PR from Malaysia. Married a Malaysian girl and currently both of us are staying in MY. I am still a SG PR (obtained through working in SG for a couple of years, and held up till this point).

We have a son now, 1 year old. The kid was born in MY, and had never used any SG resources up to this point. His education will likely be in MY as we still have no intention to be in SG atm.

My question is, if I do not apply PR for my son, and have my son naturally obtain his own independent PR (or EP, if he choses to do so), will this have any ramifications on his chances to work/live in SG? Or is there anything/circumstances that I need to be aware of so that I can chose my paths wisely?

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 08 Sep 2023 3:04 pm

If you are lucky, the Authorities will soon learn of it 'somehow' (not privy to their cross-boarder linkups with the M'sian Authorities but sure there are some) and you might just find that upon renewal of your REP it just might be rejected. After all, you have obviously taken up PR only to abuse the system, making it harder for everybody else down the road.
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Re: Advice on Child's PR / Future NS Liabilities

Post by elniaboroughs » Tue, 12 Sep 2023 1:23 pm

Thanks for the reply. Of course I understand that rejecting of my REP is subjected to SG's government's goodwill, and if it happens, it happens. This wasn't my original question though. More concerned about my kid's future and whether would this impact his future life choices?

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Post by therat » Wed, 13 Sep 2023 9:26 am

elniaboroughs wrote:
Fri, 08 Sep 2023 12:57 pm
Hi,

I am a SG PR from Malaysia. Married a Malaysian girl and currently both of us are staying in MY. I am still a SG PR (obtained through working in SG for a couple of years, and held up till this point).

We have a son now, 1 year old. The kid was born in MY, and had never used any SG resources up to this point. His education will likely be in MY as we still have no intention to be in SG atm.

My question is, if I do not apply PR for my son, and have my son naturally obtain his own independent PR (or EP, if he choses to do so), will this have any ramifications on his chances to work/live in SG? Or is there anything/circumstances that I need to be aware of so that I can chose my paths wisely?

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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 13 Sep 2023 6:26 pm

It will also impact the child's future, through no fault of his own, but as a fault of the parents who tried to game the system. I've written about 1st hand experience of this (my former boss for 15 years) slightly difference circumstances but at the end of the day, the son, now an adult in his late 20 cannot stay on an SVP here more than 30 days even though he holds British PP. We actually opened up subsidiary in Yangon where we made him the MD of the company but he is still forbidden any sort of residency due to his avoidance of NS because of the Student Visa he was on here through his schooling until he went to Cambridge for tertiary education. His sister was made a PR when they first arrived here but he wasn't (all due to PAP daddy trying to have son avoid NS).

A search into the archives with flesh out this episode in detail as far back as 2005 or 06 I believe. But it's been reiterated several times over the years here. Think carefully. VERY carefully as your decisions will impact both his and your futures in all probability.
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Post by sundaymorningstaple » Wed, 13 Sep 2023 6:27 pm

Re: the above. Guess who the son is going to blame for his later issues.....
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Re: Advice on Child's PR / Future NS Liabilities

Post by elniaboroughs » Thu, 21 Sep 2023 4:20 pm

Hi,

Thank you for your replies. Seems like this may be an issue for the kid.

My stance is this. I do not mind my child undergoing NS as I think it will be a good character building exercise. However, because we're now no longer located in SG (for the time being), no plans (yet) to relocate back to SG, this is why I'm posing this question.

So I guess my options are
1. Forgo my PR (or SG revokes my PR in due time, if it happens)
2. Have a talk with my kid (is there an age limit to register for PR / register for NS by then) then base off his decision to make mine

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Re: Advice on Child's PR / Future NS Liabilities

Post by NYY1 » Fri, 22 Sep 2023 5:53 pm

elniaboroughs wrote:
Thu, 21 Sep 2023 4:20 pm
Hi,

Thank you for your replies. Seems like this may be an issue for the kid.

My stance is this. I do not mind my child undergoing NS as I think it will be a good character building exercise. However, because we're now no longer located in SG (for the time being), no plans (yet) to relocate back to SG, this is why I'm posing this question.

So I guess my options are
1. Forgo my PR (or SG revokes my PR in due time, if it happens)
2. Have a talk with my kid (is there an age limit to register for PR / register for NS by then) then base off his decision to make mine
As long as you are a PR, you can apply for PR for you son up to the age of 21.

Practically speaking, unless you plan some other maneuvers, you probably won't be able to keep your REP if you aren't living here, so that option only has so long of a fuse. I think the longer one goes between birth and applying or the longer you retain your PR without applying for PR for the child, the more likely it is that the child will run into future problems (in both cases, it could be OK as well).

You could also apply for him right now and give it up at some point, but I don't see how that is helping you, as giving it up may raise some of the same issues and I don't think you/he will be able to retain the status (REP) for an extended period if you are not living here.

Everyone wants options, the challenge arises when everyone wants free options. Given the choice SC children have to make, I'm not sure why anyone else expects to be treated more favourably, but many do.

Lastly, if your question is should you cancel your own PR now or wait until the next REP renewal comes up and see what happens, I'm not sure (likely fine either way if only a couple/few years although some of what's written above may apply).

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Re: Advice on Child's PR / Future NS Liabilities

Post by Lisafuller » Sat, 23 Sep 2023 1:32 pm

elniaboroughs wrote:
Thu, 21 Sep 2023 4:20 pm
Hi,

Thank you for your replies. Seems like this may be an issue for the kid.

My stance is this. I do not mind my child undergoing NS as I think it will be a good character building exercise. However, because we're now no longer located in SG (for the time being), no plans (yet) to relocate back to SG, this is why I'm posing this question.

So I guess my options are
1. Forgo my PR (or SG revokes my PR in due time, if it happens)
2. Have a talk with my kid (is there an age limit to register for PR / register for NS by then) then base off his decision to make mine
In all honesty, there are far more benefits to having SG PR than not. NS tends to be a huge bonding experience for boys who are coming of age, they end up making lifelong friends. It's not as bad as it sounds, though obviously I have not served.

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Re: Advice on Child's PR / Future NS Liabilities

Post by Lisafuller » Sat, 23 Sep 2023 1:34 pm

NYY1 wrote:
Fri, 22 Sep 2023 5:53 pm
elniaboroughs wrote:
Thu, 21 Sep 2023 4:20 pm
Hi,

Thank you for your replies. Seems like this may be an issue for the kid.

My stance is this. I do not mind my child undergoing NS as I think it will be a good character building exercise. However, because we're now no longer located in SG (for the time being), no plans (yet) to relocate back to SG, this is why I'm posing this question.

So I guess my options are
1. Forgo my PR (or SG revokes my PR in due time, if it happens)
2. Have a talk with my kid (is there an age limit to register for PR / register for NS by then) then base off his decision to make mine
As long as you are a PR, you can apply for PR for you son up to the age of 21.

Practically speaking, unless you plan some other maneuvers, you probably won't be able to keep your REP if you aren't living here, so that option only has so long of a fuse. I think the longer one goes between birth and applying or the longer you retain your PR without applying for PR for the child, the more likely it is that the child will run into future problems (in both cases, it could be OK as well).

You could also apply for him right now and give it up at some point, but I don't see how that is helping you, as giving it up may raise some of the same issues and I don't think you/he will be able to retain the status (REP) for an extended period if you are not living here.

Everyone wants options, the challenge arises when everyone wants free options. Given the choice SC children have to make, I'm not sure why anyone else expects to be treated more favourably, but many do.

Lastly, if your question is should you cancel your own PR now or wait until the next REP renewal comes up and see what happens, I'm not sure (likely fine either way if only a couple/few years although some of what's written above may apply).
My thoughts exactly, if not living in Singapore, there's no use having PR. It'll end up being revoked anyway at the next cycle of renewal.

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