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Re: Rents are peaking!

Post by boredahjossii » Tue, 24 Oct 2023 10:22 am

Adding data point from today. The supply is still increasing, hopefully it will be reflected in actual asking price by landlord.
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Wed, 27 Sep 2023 2:17 pm

There's a bit of story to tell here. Early last year, I had a great deal on a two-bedroom condo. However, in June, my landlord informed me that they were selling the property and my lease wouldn't be renewed in December. This put me in a tough spot because, when I started looking for a new place, I found that there weren't many similar options available, and the ones that were available were much more expensive than what I had been paying.

So, I decided to rent a room temporarily and began closely monitoring the housing market. Over time, I noticed that the supply of available rentals dips from Jun to Aug but had significantly increased. I even collected data dating back to 2018 and found that the current supply is similar to what it was in mid-2019.

While I might not get a pre-COVID rate, I do feel more confident about negotiating for my next place this December. If anyone is interested, here is more of my tracking...


3/6/2022 - 11,956
10/6/2022 - 12,205
17/6/2022 - 12,124
24/6/2022 - 11,932
1/7/2022 - 11,640
8/7/2022 - 11,421
16/7/2022 - 10,763
8/8/2022 - 9,611
12/9/2022 - 9,426
17/9/2022 - 9,373
24/9/2022 - 9,923
1/10/2022 - 10,081
8/10/2022- 10,785
15/10/2022 - 11,101
22/10/2022 - 11,542
29/10/2022 - 12,015
5/11/2022 - 12,888
12/11/2022 - 13,270
19/11/2022 - 13,623
26/11/2022 - 14,006
3/12/2022 - 14,372
10/12/2022 - 14,966
17/12/2022 - 14,978
24/12/2022 - 14,911
31/12/2022 - 14,888
7/1/2023 - 16,142
14/1/2023 - 16,888
21/1/2023 - 16,784
28/1/2023 - 17,033
4/2/2023 - 18,700
11/2/2023 - 19,600
18/2/2023 - 20,600
25/2/2023 - 21,600
4/3/2023 - 22,600
11/3/2023 - 23,100
18/3/2023 - 23,600
25/3/2023 - 24,250
1/4/2023 - 24,900
8/4/2023 - 25,600
15/4/2023 - 26,300
22/4/2023 - 26,800
29/4/2023 - 27,200
6/5/2023 - 28,200
13/5/2023 - 28,700
20/5/2023 - 29,200
27/5/2023 - 29,500
3/6/2023 - 29,700
10/6/2023 - 30,100
17/6/2023 - 30,400
24/6/2023 - 30,100
1/7/2023 - 29,900
8/7/2023 - 30,200
15/7/2023 - 30,000
22/7/2023 - 30,200
29/7/2023 - 30,100
5/8/2023 - 30,300
12/8/2023 - 30,400
19/8/2023 - 30,700
26/8/2023 - 30,900
2/9/2023 - 31,100
9/9/2023 - 31,600
16/9/2023 - 31,700
23/9/2023 - 32,200
24/10/2023 - 34,822

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Re: Rents are peaking!

Post by raptor_from_vietnam » Tue, 31 Oct 2023 9:31 pm

Hi all,

Any new updates on this? I think I've seen a couple of what used to be good deals on property gurus staying there for 1 or 2 months already. Seems like the market has slowed down significantly.

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Re: Rents are peaking!

Post by smoulder » Wed, 01 Nov 2023 1:25 pm

Still waiting for the interest rates to drop 😏

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Re: Rents are peaking!

Post by jjdoe » Thu, 02 Nov 2023 6:31 pm

Updated...

30/9/2023- 32,100
7/10/2023 - 33,200
14/10/2023 - 33,900
21/10/2023- 34,700
28/10/2023- 35,100

Still going up. The last time there werre 35,000 listings was early 2019...

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Re: Rents are peaking!

Post by abbby » Fri, 03 Nov 2023 11:39 am

Thanks for the update!
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Re: Rents are peaking!

Post by abbby » Fri, 03 Nov 2023 11:40 am

raptor_from_vietnam wrote:
Tue, 31 Oct 2023 9:31 pm
Hi all,

Any new updates on this? I think I've seen a couple of what used to be good deals on property gurus staying there for 1 or 2 months already. Seems like the market has slowed down significantly.
It has peaked and come down recently months. Especially the high end ones.
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Re: Rents are peaking!

Post by Skibidi » Sat, 04 Nov 2023 9:28 pm

Is there a correlation between interest rate and rental? It does seem like so.

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Post by smoulder » Sat, 04 Nov 2023 11:54 pm

Skibidi wrote:
Sat, 04 Nov 2023 9:28 pm
Is there a correlation between interest rate and rental? It does seem like so.
Somewhere in this post, Wd40 was refuting it, but there is a correlation between the two. While there can definitely be something to be said for why they are not proportionate, the fact is that the interest rates increase have definitely hurt some property owners who in turn pass on the same with interest (pun not intended) to the tenants. There are obviously some landlords who have long paid off their mortgages and should not be affected, but obviously since they saw where the general direction of rent was headed, they jumped on to the bandwagon to cash in while they can.

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Post by Wd40 » Sun, 05 Nov 2023 12:49 am

smoulder wrote:
Sat, 04 Nov 2023 11:54 pm
Skibidi wrote:
Sat, 04 Nov 2023 9:28 pm
Is there a correlation between interest rate and rental? It does seem like so.
Somewhere in this post, Wd40 was refuting it, but there is a correlation between the two. While there can definitely be something to be said for why they are not proportionate, the fact is that the interest rates increase have definitely hurt some property owners who in turn pass on the same with interest (pun not intended) to the tenants. There are obviously some landlords who have long paid off their mortgages and should not be affected, but obviously since they saw where the general direction of rent was headed, they jumped on to the bandwagon to cash in while they can.
I still continue to refute it. It is supply and demand which determines the rents. During and after the Covid there was a sudden demand for rental units while supply was short and at that time interest rates were still low. But owners and agents started jacking up the rents.

This is classic capitalism at play. The way it works is, lets say you want to rent out your unit and then your agent places an ad in pguru. The agent gets overwhelming number of enquiries, but you just have one unit to rent out, how do you choose whom to rent it out to? Ofcourse the highest and the most desperate rent seeker, so lets say a 3 bedroom HDB unit was going for 2.3k. Suddenly it can easily go for 2.6K. Then this frenzy feeds on itself and in a matter of couple of years, the rents just keep escalating to 4k. Interest rates have nothing to do here. Many HDB owners have fully paid off their flats and their rental yields are now around 8%!

Now, lets talk about the reverse, which is exactly what is happening in Malaysia. They have a huge overwhelming supply of units. Every months so many new developments come up and they keep their rents depressed. So much so that inspite of close to 0% downpayment and no ABSD etc, buying properties and renting them out is not a very profitable business there. You need to really give it to AirBnB kind of renting and have high occupancy rates if you need to make it profitable.

I think rents have peaked for now. Interest rates have also probably peaked. But rents go up very fast, but they dont come down at the same speed. It is quite possible that rents will remain at this level for another decade or so. So it is more of a time wise correction than a price wise correction.

So to expats, I would say, you have already seen the worst. Now you just have to focus of increasing your income. Your costs are likely to remain capped. In my case, I am hoping for a good appraisal this year too. If I get another 5% hike over the 26% hike I recieved over the last 3 years, then I have more than nullified the effects of Covid and inflation.

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Post by Wd40 » Sun, 05 Nov 2023 1:17 am

There you go, the NC(Non citizen) quota opened on Nov 1st for my block and I already see 2 transactions done, after 3 months. The $3300 you see is mine :)

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Post by malcontent » Sun, 05 Nov 2023 10:50 am

Absolutely correct - supply & demand is always the ultimate determinant of rental rates in the market.

Landlords who are paying a mortgage might wince at the higher interest rates and what that does to their rental yield… but they have to accept the rental rates in the market or else leave the unit empty (and bearing a total loss in rental income), which is far worse than a poor or negative rental yield.

That said, not all landlords are enlightened enough (especially here) to accept this and often try to fight it… but unless they find a sucker willing to pay rent above market rates, they are just pissing in the wind.
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Post by NYY1 » Sun, 05 Nov 2023 11:19 am

Supply and demand ultimately clear the market. Maybe think about what determines the supply curve (any supply curve).

In the extreme, interest rates can go up but if everyone leaves Singapore then rental rates will crash. On the other hand, if there were no other changes in supply or demand and interest rates increased, rental rates would likely increase too (IMO).

Realty is we will never see just one isolated change, so people can believe whatever they want to believe. However, there are plenty of examples (industries) to look at what happens when a) input costs go up but demand is not entirely inelastic or b) supply is roughly fixed and demand spikes or craters.

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Post by NYY1 » Sun, 05 Nov 2023 11:24 am

Also, there are a lot of new units for rent in the market right now. All else the same, this will probably put some pressure on the older units that skyrocketed in the squeeze. Rental rates at a couple of buildings I know are probably off 5% - 10% from the highs (certainly stopped going up).

My guess is that landlords with mortgages will give some concession to keep it occupied vs. risking downtime. The monthly interest burden while a unit is vacant is a lot higher than it was when rates where nothing.

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Post by Wd40 » Sun, 05 Nov 2023 11:49 am

NYY1 wrote:
Sun, 05 Nov 2023 11:24 am
Also, there are a lot of new units for rent in the market right now. All else the same, this will probably put some pressure on the older units that skyrocketed in the squeeze. Rental rates at a couple of buildings I know are probably off 5% - 10% from the highs (certainly stopped going up).

My guess is that landlords with mortgages will give some concession to keep it occupied vs. risking downtime. The monthly interest burden while a unit is vacant is a lot higher than it was when rates where nothing.
Singapore property market is not really a market meant for investment properties, the govt activity discourages people from buying properties solely for the purpose of renting it out. Even private properties, due to ABSD etc the dynamics is such that people don't buy property with the intention of capital appreciation or rental income. They buy it for self stay or there are some very very rich foreigners who buy properties just to park their wealth.

This means that whatever properties are out there in the market for renting are actually what I would call "Inadvertent rental units". Which means these units were not bought buy the landlords for the purpose of renting them out. They just happen to be eligible, kind of like a lottery effect, because of various reasons, like the owners decided to move overseas, owner decided to move to their kids house as they became too old, or just owners in the past were able to upgrade from HDB to condo and we're allowed to keep their HDB, which is not allowed anymore.

So in this scenario, the rents are even less dependent on interest rates. I am surprised, nobody talks about this concept of "Inadvertent rental unit" which is actually a big risk, because Singapore depends on expats and there is really no proper planning for expat housing. So far, market dynamics have been quite favourable to renting, inspite of this lack of planning. But not sure if it is a reliable strategy to depend on market dynamics of inadvertent rental units.

Well, on second thoughts I am not really surprised, because nobody really cares here about foreigners, whether it is their housing or schooling. Advantages of being a rich country in a poor neighborhood.

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Post by malcontent » Sun, 05 Nov 2023 12:05 pm

They do care about foreigners… to the extent they can extract financial or economic gain from them :P
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