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Re: Which local schools for excellent English/communication skills?

Post by Edge007 » Sun, 21 Jul 2024 5:51 pm

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Since I have one child that has completed the local system and another that has gone through SAS, I can confirm that the standard of English between my two kids is substantially different. This is evident in terms of breadth of vocabulary, word choices, grammatical structure and pronunciation.

There are also certain speech impediments that are endemic to local speakers. One example: any word starting with the th sound will be pronounced with a t sound… so a word like three becomes tree. My daughter starting doing this after only a few short years in local school, and despite my efforts to persuade her otherwise, she eventually told me: everyone else speaks like that, why do I need to say it differently, and besides, I want them to understand me.

I told her that she also needs to be understood by her grandparents (who have only ever been able to understand about half of what she is saying) and other people outside Singapore. But alas, she doesn’t speak to them on a regular basis, so it has never been a priority. By contrast, the grandparents understand my son just fine, so to me this is a good test, since I am too close to the problem and may not always see it.

Does that mean my daughter has some technical deficiencies? Generally no, although she misreads situations sometimes, this is partly cultural. She scored fairly well on the English section of the SAT, among the highest percentile of all test takers. Not as high as the Math section, but a highly respectable score nonetheless.

Overall, I would say there is a compromise that has to be made if choosing local school. For some people, this might not even feel like a compromise because they don’t know what they don’t know… so it all depends on where you are coming from, what you expect, and where your priorities are.
You read my mind and are absolutely correct. There is a clear difference in the standard of English between kids who go to international and local school in relation to the breadth of vocabulary, word choices, grammatical structure and pronunciation.

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Re: Which local schools for excellent English/communication skills?

Post by Edge007 » Sun, 21 Jul 2024 5:55 pm

NYY1 wrote:
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Edge007 wrote:
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Im typing from a mobile phone. No one cares about grammar on social media, its just a casual forum.
Sure, go ahead and make whatever excuses/justifications you need to. For someone that wants to critique others' English, one would think he/she could at least get it correct.

BTW, Singlish is often a casual or informal way of communicating as well. Yet, it appears many here believe that is the only way local students know how to communicate.

There are certainly differences in household structure, curriculum, and typical practices that influence a student's English. Nevertheless, the mind tends to overgeneralize and see oneself in a more favourable view than warranted. Hence, there's a good chance that not all local students' English is as bad as you portray. Further, perhaps not all native or "correct/proper" English speakers' English is as superior as they think it is. In some cases, the former may even be better than the latter, but I know everyone here will assume that's impossible.
Youre married to a local, so youre obviously partial towards the local education system and will find any way to mentally justify the merits of the local system LOL. Whatever floats your boat man.

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Re: Which local schools for excellent English/communication skills?

Post by NYY1 » Sun, 21 Jul 2024 10:34 pm

Edge007 wrote:
Sun, 21 Jul 2024 5:55 pm
Youre married to a local, so youre obviously partial towards the local education system and will find any way to mentally justify the merits of the local system LOL. Whatever floats your boat man.
One of the other posts about you appears to be correct.

Anyways, if you prefer the "woke" madness, I'm happy for you :D .

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Re: Which local schools for excellent English/communication skills?

Post by Strong Eagle » Mon, 22 Jul 2024 1:30 am

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Anyways, if you prefer the "woke" madness...
What do you mean by "woke madness"?

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Re: Which local schools for excellent English/communication skills?

Post by NYY1 » Mon, 22 Jul 2024 4:23 am

Strong Eagle wrote:
Mon, 22 Jul 2024 1:30 am
NYY1 wrote:
Sun, 21 Jul 2024 10:34 pm
Anyways, if you prefer the "woke" madness...
What do you mean by "woke madness"?
The poster's own words (not mine), whatever they mean. I'm not interested in debating what those schools are doing and what they are or are not. Just saying that if he/she is happy, I'm happy.

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Re: Which local schools for excellent English/communication skills?

Post by Addadude » Mon, 22 Jul 2024 3:49 pm

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Says the gay guy ( Addadude) who supports LGBTQ curriculum in schools and sexually charged books in school libraries for young children. Back off and indoctrinate your own kids, not other people's kids.
:lol:

Thank you Edge007/DavidC1/ADFuller for proving my point!
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Re: Which local schools for excellent English/communication skills?

Post by Edge007 » Mon, 22 Jul 2024 4:47 pm

Addadude wrote:
Mon, 22 Jul 2024 3:49 pm
Edge007 wrote:
Sun, 21 Jul 2024 5:40 pm
Says the gay guy ( Addadude) who supports LGBTQ curriculum in schools and sexually charged books in school libraries for young children. Back off and indoctrinate your own kids, not other people's kids.
:lol:

Thank you Edge007/DavidC1/ADFuller for proving my point!
Proving your meaningless point? All we know is that we will remember you for coming after our kids. Keep your sexual ideologies to yourself, back the F off and stay away from minors and other people's kids.

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Re: Which local schools for excellent English/communication skills?

Post by Addadude » Mon, 22 Jul 2024 6:35 pm

Edge007 wrote:
Mon, 22 Jul 2024 4:47 pm
Addadude wrote:
Mon, 22 Jul 2024 3:49 pm
Edge007 wrote:
Sun, 21 Jul 2024 5:40 pm
Says the gay guy ( Addadude) who supports LGBTQ curriculum in schools and sexually charged books in school libraries for young children. Back off and indoctrinate your own kids, not other people's kids.
:lol:

Thank you Edge007/DavidC1/ADFuller for proving my point!
Proving your meaningless point? All we know is that we will remember you for coming after our kids. Keep your sexual ideologies to yourself, back the F off and stay away from minors and other people's kids.
=D>

Wonderful stuff! (Although somewhat repetitive.) You've already demonstrated clearly enough your poor command of English and inability to parse information correctly. I can't wait to see what other words of wisdom you will share with us.
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Re: Which local schools for excellent English/communication skills?

Post by Strong Eagle » Tue, 23 Jul 2024 5:56 am

Edge007 wrote:
Mon, 22 Jul 2024 4:47 pm
Addadude wrote:
Mon, 22 Jul 2024 3:49 pm
Edge007 wrote:
Sun, 21 Jul 2024 5:40 pm
Says the gay guy ( Addadude) who supports LGBTQ curriculum in schools and sexually charged books in school libraries for young children. Back off and indoctrinate your own kids, not other people's kids.
:lol:

Thank you Edge007/DavidC1/ADFuller for proving my point!
Proving your meaningless point? All we know is that we will remember you for coming after our kids. Keep your sexual ideologies to yourself, back the F off and stay away from minors and other people's kids.
Edge007... you add a lot of credence to the saying, "Ya can't hide stupid!"

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Re: Which local schools for excellent English/communication skills?

Post by malcontent » Tue, 23 Jul 2024 10:22 pm

I applaud Addadude on his cool headed response — we can disagree on issues, but personal attacks are not productive.
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Re: Which local schools for excellent English/communication skills?

Post by Strong Eagle » Wed, 24 Jul 2024 6:58 am

malcontent wrote:
Tue, 23 Jul 2024 10:22 pm
I applaud Addadude on his cool headed response — we can disagree on issues, but personal attacks are not productive.
I have no space in life for willfully ignorant people. We live in an age where a vast wealth of information is available on the internet and at our fingertips.

At an earlier point in time, the bigotry and hatred espoused by Edge007 could be ascribed to simple ignorance; it wasn't always easy to obtain information.

But such is not the case anymore, and I don't see my comment as a personal attack. Remaining uneducated is willful ignorance, and choosing to remain willfully ignorant in an information age is plain stupid. There is no question that Edge007 is a seriously misinformed, bigoted individual.

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Re: Which local schools for excellent English/communication skills?

Post by Edge007 » Wed, 24 Jul 2024 11:06 am

Strong Eagle wrote:
Wed, 24 Jul 2024 6:58 am

I have no space in life for willfully ignorant people. We live in an age where a vast wealth of information is available on the internet and at our fingertips.

At an earlier point in time, the bigotry and hatred espoused by Edge007 could be ascribed to simple ignorance; it wasn't always easy to obtain information.

But such is not the case anymore, and I don't see my comment as a personal attack. Remaining uneducated is willful ignorance, and choosing to remain willfully ignorant in an information age is plain stupid. There is no question that Edge007 is a seriously misinformed, bigoted individual.
By your own logic, JK Rowling and those running the Singapore government are bigots too, considering they aren't supporting (and are even against) LGBTQ curriculum and sexually charged books in school for kids and minors. 👍🏻

Calling others a 'bigot' for not supporting age inappropriate material for minors is getting old.

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Re: Which local schools for excellent English/communication skills?

Post by malcontent » Wed, 24 Jul 2024 1:15 pm

Who said they support age inappropriate materials in schools? I must’ve missed that post.

We can debate what materials are appropriate at what age, and what crosses the line between promoting versus tolerating deviations from the natural order. No two people are likely to have the exact same opinion on this… and this is not necessarily down to ignorance or bigotry.

All people inherently have a degree of ignorance and bigotry in them — it is inescapable. Just take “woke” and “MAGA” — the amount of ignorance and bigotry around both of these terms is pretty astounding.
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Re: Which local schools for excellent English/communication skills?

Post by Strong Eagle » Wed, 24 Jul 2024 9:46 pm

Edge007 wrote:
Wed, 24 Jul 2024 11:06 am
By your own logic, JK Rowling and those running the Singapore government are bigots too, considering they aren't supporting (and are even against) LGBTQ curriculum and sexually charged books in school for kids and minors.
You would be correct. I've seen the damage that bigots like you have done.

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Re: Which local schools for excellent English/communication skills?

Post by Edge007 » Wed, 24 Jul 2024 10:37 pm

Strong Eagle wrote:
Wed, 24 Jul 2024 9:46 pm
Edge007 wrote:
Wed, 24 Jul 2024 11:06 am
By your own logic, JK Rowling and those running the Singapore government are bigots too, considering they aren't supporting (and are even against) LGBTQ curriculum and sexually charged books in school for kids and minors.
You would be correct. I've seen the damage that bigots like you have done.
So you claim that JK Rowling and those running the Singapore government are 'bigots' and full of 'hatred' while implying youre the saint.

Sure, sure. Tell that to the DE-transitioners who cut up their body parts in the name of the LGBTQ and gender ideology (i.e. little girls who transitioned by undergoing mastectomies and later regretted cutting up their breasts and little boys who underwent chemical castrations and now are living to regret it).

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