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PR Approved 2023

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Re: PR Approved 2023

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 18 Sep 2023 12:02 am

The question that hasn't been answered, however, is did ICA indicate that the purchase of the property was THE reason for the appeal being successful. Or was it a general approval after reviewing all the facts. You might assume is was the property (as most of the readers here will do unthinkingly) but I'm betting odds that it got approved solely on persistence. And, if that is so, congratulation for staying the distance! Sometimes persistence is all it takes (also took me 11 years but I had less going for me than you did, except for my "assimilation" abilities here during those years.
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers

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Re: PR Approved 2023

Post by Hope2023 » Mon, 18 Sep 2023 8:35 am

I didn't say that was the only reason.

In the previous question in the appeal what changes I updated.

That was one of the latest change for my side. When I submitted my appeal.

It was not the sole reason.. as I mentioned in my earlier post.

15 years struggle and persistence and significant changes from year 1 to 15.

There is no guarantee just becoz u do one thing u will get it.

Invest integrate and don't lose money with scammers thats my point.

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Re: PR Approved 2023

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 18 Sep 2023 7:18 pm

Hope2023 wrote:
Mon, 18 Sep 2023 8:35 am
I didn't say that was the only reason.

In the previous question in the appeal what changes I updated.

That was one of the latest change for my side. When I submitted my appeal.

It was not the sole reason.. as I mentioned in my earlier post.

15 years struggle and persistence and significant changes from year 1 to 15.

There is no guarantee just becoz u do one thing u will get it.

Invest integrate and don't lose money with scammers thats my point.
Exactly what I've been telling people for 18+ years I've been on this board. :wink: :cool:
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers

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Re: PR Approved 2023

Post by Hope2023 » Tue, 19 Sep 2023 9:09 am

I have colleague who used to work for those immigration agencies the ones u see ads in LinkedIn fb for pr application.

She mentioned they always lie , especially increase price in every appeal actually they do nothing for your approval process.

Learn to write your cover letter , no one knows ur story better than you.

Paying 4000 5000 for writing your story is a scam.

Don't fall for it.

Don't go through agencies..

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Re: PR Approved 2023

Post by JWNYsg » Tue, 19 Sep 2023 8:14 pm

Congratulations to you

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Re: PR Approved 2023

Post by cherikachethan » Fri, 22 Sep 2023 1:08 am

Hi, Is it possible to share what kind of commercial property U bought?. I am interested in buying small scale commercial properties.

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Re: PR Approved 2023

Post by Hope2023 » Fri, 22 Sep 2023 6:48 am

Hi I wouldn't do that coz, as i said earlier its not the sole reason. I don't want to mislead anyone.

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Re: PR Approved 2023

Post by Lisafuller » Sat, 23 Sep 2023 1:49 pm

hopeislife wrote:
Thu, 06 Jul 2023 3:26 pm
nik0508 wrote:
Thu, 29 Jun 2023 4:55 pm
Hello All,

Thanks for viewing my post.

I have generally been a silent spectator in this group, so far with only one post a few years ago. I have recently received approval for Singapore PR and post completion of formalities I am a Singapore PR now. I collected a lot of good insights and could decode a lot of myths/interesting thoughts that people comment/post about.

The purpose of this post is to thank the admins, moderators, and other content posters and share a bit of insight with other wannabe Singapore PRs.

For the benefit of others here is a bit of background.
Indian Family of 4 (husband, wife & 2 daughters)
We have only one income
Daughters aged 6 & 9 go to MOE-affiliated local primary schools.
Work in the banking sector (Non-IT)
In Singapore for Education 2005 to 2006 (Post 2006 was in Middle East & India)
Work in Singapore from 2014 till now. (in Total 10 years)
First application in 2017 - Rejected after 10 months' wait.
Second application in Nov 2022
Additional documentation request in 5 months April 2023. (confirming the school name for my younger daughter who moved from Kindergarten to Primary in the midst of the application).
In May 2023 received the IPA letter.
Yes CPF portal showed an update 3 days prior to the approval on the ICA inquiry page.
Never used the help of any agent - Simply overrated.
Stuck to the basic information requested on the form, not a single letter or word extra than requested.
Documents - Just shared the Annex A, DOB Cert, Graduation & Post Graduation documents, Passports, Marriage certificate, EP, and Work experience letter with the mere date of service & DP for dependents. No accolades, references, or other credential documents.
End-to-end application to approval was 6 months & 10 days.

Once again, lots of gratitude, this forum has been very helpful.
To be honest, i cant believe you got PR with just 6months of processing time. Quite surprising for me, but congratulations anyway. It is quite unbelievable for me (as if someone is saying 2+2=5), as your family profile is similar to tons of indian families who apply for PR.

May be your education here back in 2005 to 2006 supported your profile a bit. Also, can you share your occupation field or job and salary? since you say you are a single earner.
There are always outliers.

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Re: PR Approved 2023

Post by Lisafuller » Sat, 23 Sep 2023 1:51 pm

Hope2023 wrote:
Sun, 17 Sep 2023 11:29 pm
I sent a new cover letter stating the reason for appeal
We bought a commercial property in that period.
Congratulations, though it is unclear if the reason for approval was solely due to the purchase of the property.

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Re: PR Approved 2023

Post by Lisafuller » Sat, 23 Sep 2023 1:53 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Mon, 18 Sep 2023 12:02 am
The question that hasn't been answered, however, is did ICA indicate that the purchase of the property was THE reason for the appeal being successful. Or was it a general approval after reviewing all the facts. You might assume is was the property (as most of the readers here will do unthinkingly) but I'm betting odds that it got approved solely on persistence. And, if that is so, congratulation for staying the distance! Sometimes persistence is all it takes (also took me 11 years but I had less going for me than you did, except for my "assimilation" abilities here during those years.
Agreed, we can only guess and speculate, but unless ICA has explicitly stated that as being the reason for the approval, we can never know for sure.

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Re: PR Approved 2023

Post by Lisafuller » Sat, 23 Sep 2023 1:53 pm

Hope2023 wrote:
Mon, 18 Sep 2023 8:35 am
I didn't say that was the only reason.

In the previous question in the appeal what changes I updated.

That was one of the latest change for my side. When I submitted my appeal.

It was not the sole reason.. as I mentioned in my earlier post.

15 years struggle and persistence and significant changes from year 1 to 15.

There is no guarantee just becoz u do one thing u will get it.

Invest integrate and don't lose money with scammers thats my point.
True, those that are sincere about making a life for themselves here will always make it eventually, just have to have patience and persistence.

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Re: PR Approved 2023

Post by Lisafuller » Sat, 23 Sep 2023 1:54 pm

Hope2023 wrote:
Tue, 19 Sep 2023 9:09 am
I have colleague who used to work for those immigration agencies the ones u see ads in LinkedIn fb for pr application.

She mentioned they always lie , especially increase price in every appeal actually they do nothing for your approval process.

Learn to write your cover letter , no one knows ur story better than you.

Paying 4000 5000 for writing your story is a scam.

Don't fall for it.

Don't go through agencies..
Exactly, all they do is fill out forms which you could do quite easily and write a very basic cover letter. Not worth some money.

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Re: PR Approved 2023

Post by aquanav » Mon, 25 Sep 2023 10:55 am

Hope2023 wrote:
Fri, 16 Jun 2023 8:49 am
Congrats to u From hk.

Quota matters ..different nationality different quota..

For indian quota the struggle is 4 to 5 times tougher than other nationalities honestly

Last 13 years we tried everything we seen in this forum. But I am not recommending anything coz we don't know if it works.

One big regret is going to AGENCY - paid in the first 2 attempts waste of money don't use agency.

They are just scam to cheat people..they shut down companies and come back with new name after warningg from gov...and yet again cheat people so don't fall for the agencies who say they can get u pr. That's a blind lie.

They cant it's in the power of ica.

Stay long in singapore, integrate, integrate.

Thanks
Congratulations Hope2023! Your perseverance as quoted by many, is truly admirable and inspiring.
I have a question (open to all). I have seen everyone use the word "integrate", including ICA. What does integrate imply in real-world sense?

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Re: PR Approved 2023

Post by Hope2023 » Mon, 25 Sep 2023 11:33 am

Volinteering, help your neighbours, get to know ur community really well.
Participate frequently in Grassroot events in your neighbourhood.
This are the things I feel integrate I mean

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Re: PR Approved 2023

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Mon, 25 Sep 2023 11:57 am

aquanav wrote:
Mon, 25 Sep 2023 10:55 am
Congratulations Hope2023! Your perseverance as quoted by many, is truly admirable and inspiring.
I have a question (open to all). I have seen everyone use the word "integrate", including ICA. What does integrate imply in real-world sense?
This is not a walk-thru of how to integrate, but just a few examples of what integrations can include that are not "tangible", as it were. As an aside, this was told to me about 10 years after I gained my PR but not something I can quote due to the nature of the origination of the comment..

Let me ask you and other interested parties with the same question. When you go to work, do you work in a mixed race/ethnic setting? Where do you live? In a primarily mixed ethnic complex? e.g., balanced ethnically like in an HDB town or in a condo that has been made into an ethnic enclave of your on kind from your own country? When you go to the kopitiam for lunch or evening times gatherings with your friends (are they friends(?) or work colleagues you happen to get along with), are these 'friends' ethnically diverse or tend to be birds of a feather (subspecies, not species). If you are in a mixed gathering, to you generally speak in dialect or one of the local recognized languages accepted for the most part the local population, e.g., English which is the ligua franca of Singapore and virtually everybody under the age of 55 will be able to speak with sufficient knowledge to not be excluded by a majority of people who are foreigners speaking their foreign dialect to the consternation of others in the group.

I know your next question is how would ICA know these things? Do you know what the uniform of an ICA agent is? How about an ICA officer (not enforcement agent but undercover officer). They are just like you and maybe even I. They wear no identifying clothing or badges, hats etc. They blend in with the neighbourhood and frequent the same places as their targets do. There might be one sitting with a group of customers at the next table in the kopitiam to where your group is sitting. Much like a plainclothes police officer. They are observing. There are many ways you can be observed in your daily, non-working hours (even not going out at all also tells a story doesn't it). Most additionally are being now assisted with social media as well (back in my day it was more legwork with the net but it is still used).

I've already eaten. I give to you as food for thought. :cool:
SOME PEOPLE TRY TO TURN BACK THEIR ODOMETERS. NOT ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY I LOOK THIS WAY. I'VE TRAVELED A LONG WAY, AND SOME OF THE ROADS WEREN'T PAVED. ~ Will Rogers

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