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PR Approval Chances 2023

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PR Approval Chances 2023

Post by IndSgp2023 » Tue, 30 May 2023 12:03 pm

Hi there ! New joiner here and recently applied for PR in February. Curious to know what you think my chances are ?


Who : My wife (EP) and I (EP). No child as of now but trying.
Age : Both 35
Time in SG : 14 years for me, 10 years for my wife
Work and Salary : Finance for me, 270k. Software Developer for her 150k
Nationality : Both Indian
Race : Both Indian
Education : Bachelors for me, Masters for her

We want to settle long term but without PR this is proving difficult to commit to.

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Re: PR Approval Chances 2023

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 30 May 2023 1:57 pm

About the best assessment you can get is a "you buys your ticket and takes your chances". Both solid in time/income/age but ethnic quotas are a different issue that none of up can change (although Michael Jackson tried his damnedest). Keep fingers crossed and tiny prayer to whomever. :-k [-o<
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Re: PR Approval Chances 2023

Post by NYY1 » Tue, 30 May 2023 3:44 pm

Have you applied any times before? Based on age and time in Singapore I assume all education (for both) was done in your home country?

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Re: PR Approval Chances 2023

Post by IndSgp2023 » Wed, 31 May 2023 2:47 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Tue, 30 May 2023 1:57 pm
About the best assessment you can get is a "you buys your ticket and takes your chances". Both solid in time/income/age but ethnic quotas are a different issue that none of up can change (although Michael Jackson tried his damnedest). Keep fingers crossed and tiny prayer to whomever. :-k [-o<
Thanks! Fingers crossed 🤞

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Re: PR Approval Chances 2023

Post by IndSgp2023 » Wed, 31 May 2023 2:55 am

We did try before. Once separately (in 2018) before getting married and second time (in 2020) together as a couple.

We both graduated from reputed universities in India. Even though it might not have the best world rankings, especially when compared to Singapore based universities, but humbly speaking the chances to get admission there based on highly competitive exams is less than 1%. Never the less, after 15 years of work experience, I don't believe my alma mater indicates anything about me.

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Re: PR Approval Chances 2023

Post by NYY1 » Wed, 31 May 2023 7:53 am

No one is questioning your degree in relation to your job, salary, capabilities, etc. For better or worse, local education is likely a positive factor in PR applications, which is what we are talking about here. While the local education is not a guarantee/golden ticket and the lack of it can be overcome, all else the same it is probably something, which is why people ask.

IMO, these world rankings have many flaws and the rankings within a country are much more useful (the local education is valued for reasons other than its global ranking). Nevertheless, said rankings are being used for immigration purposes around the world, so they are not irrelevant either.

Anyways, good luck, both with the application and trying for a child.

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Re: PR Approval Chances 2023

Post by Lisafuller » Wed, 31 May 2023 5:29 pm

IndSgp2023 wrote:
Wed, 31 May 2023 2:55 am
We did try before. Once separately (in 2018) before getting married and second time (in 2020) together as a couple.

We both graduated from reputed universities in India. Even though it might not have the best world rankings, especially when compared to Singapore based universities, but humbly speaking the chances to get admission there based on highly competitive exams is less than 1%. Never the less, after 15 years of work experience, I don't believe my alma mater indicates anything about me.
I think your alma mater would be more relevant if you were a fresh grad, but seeing as you have this much work experience, it shouldn't be that important.

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Re: PR Approval Chances 2023

Post by Lisafuller » Wed, 31 May 2023 5:30 pm

NYY1 wrote:
Wed, 31 May 2023 7:53 am
No one is questioning your degree in relation to your job, salary, capabilities, etc. For better or worse, local education is likely a positive factor in PR applications, which is what we are talking about here. While the local education is not a guarantee/golden ticket and the lack of it can be overcome, all else the same it is probably something, which is why people ask.

IMO, these world rankings have many flaws and the rankings within a country are much more useful (the local education is valued for reasons other than its global ranking). Nevertheless, said rankings are being used for immigration purposes around the world, so they are not irrelevant either.

Anyways, good luck, both with the application and trying for a child.
Agree that local education is definitely helpful when applying for PR. However, for many applicants, being locally educated is not possible, and in cases like this, I feel like education loses its relevance as long as the degree is a 4 year degree.

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Re: PR Approval Chances 2023

Post by Lisafuller » Wed, 31 May 2023 5:33 pm

IndSgp2023 wrote:
Tue, 30 May 2023 12:03 pm
Hi there ! New joiner here and recently applied for PR in February. Curious to know what you think my chances are ?


Who : My wife (EP) and I (EP). No child as of now but trying.
Age : Both 35
Time in SG : 14 years for me, 10 years for my wife
Work and Salary : Finance for me, 270k. Software Developer for her 150k
Nationality : Both Indian
Race : Both Indian
Education : Bachelors for me, Masters for her

We want to settle long term but without PR this is proving difficult to commit to.
Salary, time in SG, and marital status are all positive factors. Ethnic quota is small, which may be difficult. Chances will increase after having a kid, but no need to rush. Also, there's no rush to get PR. There are members on this forum even who have been on EP for as long as 25 years.

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Re: PR Approval Chances 2023

Post by PartyLike-A-Russian » Wed, 31 May 2023 9:42 pm

Lisafuller wrote:
Wed, 31 May 2023 5:33 pm
There are members on this forum even who have been on EP for as long as 25 years.
But doesn't it feel like the sword of Damocles? At any time an EP holder can lose a job and not find a new one, or not pass COMPASS starting from 2023 (new applications) 2024 (renewals). Then what? Back to their home country. Or somewhere else. The latter is possible if one is in their 20s or 30s, but might not be doable after 40 or 45.

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Re: PR Approval Chances 2023

Post by MOCHS » Wed, 31 May 2023 9:45 pm

It’s only one member on this forum that has been in EP for so long, not multiple “members” as what LF claims. And malcontent isn’t a good example as he deliberately chose to stay on EP for more than 2 decades and his wife is a PR so he can convert to LTVP any time if he *touchwood* loses his job suddenly.

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Re: PR Approval Chances 2023

Post by IndSgp2023 » Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:54 am

Just fyi.

We got our rejection today. At around 5th month. The upload button disappeared three weeks back.

My understanding of the entire process and my 4 rejected applications (correction here as I mentioned this is my 3rd attempt earlier) is that:

They're extremely traditional in their evaluation. They don't care if you are earning well or doing fantastic in your jobs. They only care about whether you can give them next generation and preferably male.

Racial quotas are extremely important. So no matter if people from one particular race, even if highly educated and giving lots of taxes, wish to settle here; they don't care!

So if you are one of those who thinks highly of themselves (even if with legitimate reasons such as high salaries and in in-demand jobs or have spent more than a decade here) but don't meet the basic criteria such as having children and from a desired racial profile, you don't stand much chance practically.

Anyways, that's the end of my 4th and the final attempt. Time to look for greener pastures.

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Re: PR Approval Chances 2023

Post by korosensei » Thu, 20 Jul 2023 1:18 am

IndSgp2023 wrote:
Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:54 am
Just fyi.

We got our rejection today. At around 5th month. The upload button disappeared three weeks back.

My understanding of the entire process and my 4 rejected applications (correction here as I mentioned this is my 3rd attempt earlier) is that:

They're extremely traditional in their evaluation. They don't care if you are earning well or doing fantastic in your jobs. They only care about whether you can give them next generation and preferably male.

Racial quotas are extremely important. So no matter if people from one particular race, even if highly educated and giving lots of taxes, wish to settle here; they don't care!

So if you are one of those who thinks highly of themselves (even if with legitimate reasons such as high salaries and in in-demand jobs or have spent more than a decade here) but don't meet the basic criteria such as having children and from a desired racial profile, you don't stand much chance practically.

Anyways, that's the end of my 4th and the final attempt. Time to look for greener pastures.
Try applying NZ, Australia or Canada. A lot of my fill friends went there already and within few months with 3months is the fatest they got their PR Approval including their families. They even got their own landed house and car now. I also wish to migrate to those countries where PR criteria got transparent point system but my husband is here. So got no choice but to stay here. and maybe its not really for you? (for my case i already accepted PR here is not for me and move on with my life) cause i believe if it is for you noone can stop it, if its not for you you cannot force it..

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Re: PR Approval Chances 2023

Post by IndSgp2023 » Thu, 20 Jul 2023 11:24 am

korosensei wrote:
Thu, 20 Jul 2023 1:18 am
IndSgp2023 wrote:
Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:54 am
Just fyi.

We got our rejection today. At around 5th month. The upload button disappeared three weeks back.

My understanding of the entire process and my 4 rejected applications (correction here as I mentioned this is my 3rd attempt earlier) is that:

They're extremely traditional in their evaluation. They don't care if you are earning well or doing fantastic in your jobs. They only care about whether you can give them next generation and preferably male.

Racial quotas are extremely important. So no matter if people from one particular race, even if highly educated and giving lots of taxes, wish to settle here; they don't care!

So if you are one of those who thinks highly of themselves (even if with legitimate reasons such as high salaries and in in-demand jobs or have spent more than a decade here) but don't meet the basic criteria such as having children and from a desired racial profile, you don't stand much chance practically.

Anyways, that's the end of my 4th and the final attempt. Time to look for greener pastures.
Try applying NZ, Australia or Canada. A lot of my fill friends went there already and within few months with 3months is the fatest they got their PR Approval including their families. They even got their own landed house and car now. I also wish to migrate to those countries where PR criteria got transparent point system but my husband is here. So got no choice but to stay here. and maybe its not really for you? (for my case i already accepted PR here is not for me and move on with my life) cause i believe if it is for you noone can stop it, if its not for you you cannot force it..
Yeah.. that's the plan now. It is not something I wanted but have to move now. Such a shame as I spent more than one third of my life here.

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Re: PR Approval Chances 2023

Post by hopeislife » Thu, 20 Jul 2023 12:21 pm

IndSgp2023 wrote:
Thu, 20 Jul 2023 11:24 am
Yeah.. that's the plan now. It is not something I wanted but have to move now. Such a shame as I spent more than one third of my life here.
Come on my friend, now this is what i would say is the mentality that we should avoid, especially we Indians. I really understand your frustration but we should not see this as a shame in anyway with regards to us or our education or work profile or field of education or length of stay. Of course, it is a common feeling for a human to think in his mind that it is shameful compared to others who got it, but you don't have to think that way. Singapore does appreciate you and your education or work profile, but unfortunately she cannot give PR to all foreigners. Just to give you an example, there are many people here in SG who have been studying right from childhood (since primary) and finished undergraduate here and just now working for a few years, but they have not got their PR, yet. You should also consider such people and put yourself in their shoes. Does it mean that those who have studied here since primary and not yet a PR should be shameful? At least you might have made good savings in all these years than many others as your household income is high. So I hope you don't take this PR rejection as a shame or defeat. We can thank Singapore at least she gave some of her wealth to us and we try to contribute something back. I too have invested a lot of emotion, time and money in singapore, but it does not mean that i should feel shamed, if i am not given PR. Sorry for this long answer, but I personally know that a lot of people feel its a shame or something to feel awful about oneself if not given PR, so i felt that i should express my views here.

On a different note, sometimes i feel within myself, that may be the new comers to SG who come here to study or work and then aspiring to make SG home, should soon realize the difficulties in the chances of getting PR. This can at least make the new comers to mentally prepare and avoid huge disappointments, if not able to get it after many many years.

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