2023 PR Chances

[jemzxc]

Hi everyone,

Just want to get your opinion on my application.

Living in Singapore since 2010. 3rd time trying for PR.
Applied on 20/1/2022 (been waiting for 15 months)
On 12/12/2022, ICA emailed me to ask for supporting documents: education certifcates (even though I have submitted all beforehand)

Male
Nationally: Vietnamese
Age: 29
Education: Local O's - Local Dip - BA - MBA (international school in SG)
I went to local neighborhood secondary school (sec2) and have been in SG ever since. My student pass + S pass application usually process very fast (fastest was 3 days for S Pass).
Visa: SP, working as Regional Marketing Exec
Salary: 60K+ SGD p.a
Employer: Big MNC
Total work experience: 7 years overall (all in SG)
Family members: mom on LTVP + 2 siblings (8 and 9) on student pass (all in SG). Mom have been here since 2012, siblings since they turned 3 years old, both siblings went to kindergarten + primary school in SG.
In my application, I showed some past donations + contribution to different charity organisations + my AED CPR license.

Hope to hear your input! Thanks all

[cavemaner]

Hi everyone,

Just want to get your opinion on my application.

Living in Singapore since 2010. 3rd time trying for PR.
Applied on 20/1/2022 (been waiting for 15 months)
On 12/12/2022, ICA emailed me to ask for supporting documents: education certifcates (even though I have submitted all beforehand)

Male
Nationally: Vietnamese
Age: 29
Education: Local O's - Local Dip - BA - MBA (international school in SG)
I went to local neighborhood secondary school (sec2) and have been in SG ever since. My student pass + S pass application usually process very fast (fastest was 3 days for S Pass).
Visa: SP, working as Regional Marketing Exec
Salary: 60K+ SGD p.a
Employer: Big MNC
Total work experience: 7 years overall (all in SG)
Family members: mom on LTVP + 2 siblings (8 and 9) on student pass (all in SG). Mom have been here since 2012, siblings since they turned 3 years old, both siblings went to kindergarten + primary school in SG.
In my application, I showed some past donations + contribution to different charity organisations + my AED CPR license.

Hope to hear your input! Thanks all

Charitable causes mean sweet bugger all as discussed at length in these forums.

Your mother is on LTVP, to whom is her LTVP tied to? A SC or other PR? Or are your referring to your mother as your wife (mother to your children), hence also referring to siblings as your children?

[sundaymorningstaple]

Family members: mom on LTVP + 2 siblings (8 and 9) on student pass (all in SG). Mom have been here since 2012, siblings since they turned 3 years old, both siblings went to kindergarten + primary school in SG.
In my application, I showed some past donations + contribution to different charity organisations + my AED CPR license.

Hope to hear your input! Thanks all

Charitable causes mean sweet bugger all as discussed at length in these forums.

Your mother is on LTVP, to whom is her LTVP tied to? A SC or other PR? Or are your referring to your mother as your wife (mother to your children), hence also referring to siblings as your children?

cavemaner, I am pretty sure that OP mother's is on a LTVP and has been on that since she came with the OP on a special LTVP as a péidú māmā or in English a Study Mama. to accompany a minor while in school. It is/was a very limited/unlimited LTVP as she would not have been allowed to work the first couple of years so would have been living on funds from the family in VN. Plug that into the equation and the family history will be clearer. Not to many today know about péidú māmās and the fact that the facility exists to cater to international students. Original used for PRC Chinese students but eventually extended for other Asian countries as well like Australia, Malaysia, South Korea, Taiwan and Vietnam. Maybe our OP can verify this if it is correct.

What say you jemzxc...

[NYY1]

cavemaner, I am pretty sure that OP mother's is on a LTVP and has been on that since she came with the OP on a special LTVP as a péidú māmā or in English a Study Mama. to accompany a minor while in school. It is/was a very limited/unlimited LTVP as she would not have been allowed to work the first couple of years so would have been living on funds from the family in VN. Plug that into the equation and the family history will be clearer. Not to many today know about péidú māmās and the fact that the facility exists to cater to international students. Original used for PRC Chinese students but eventually extended for other Asian countries as well like Australia, Malaysia, South Korea, Taiwan and Vietnam. Maybe our OP can verify this if it is correct.

What say you jemzxc...

Bingo. Maybe not well known everywhere but definitely well known in certain circles, such as the entry test prep industry and some families that were EP/DP but the husband got shipped off to another global office to run/fix this or that.

It is also worth noting that many of these kids will start off in the neighborhood schools (primary or secondary). Some are very capable and will make their way through with the best of the best once they students rejigger themselves via whatever national exam. Others are average (nothing wrong with that) and are just thrilled to get a Singapore education, and possibly residency or citizenship later on. I always cringe when these schools/opportunities are blatantly disrespected here.

Anyways, I'm not sure on jemzxc's chances. I would be interested to know how long the two prior applications were pending. I know length of time for a decision does not correlate with outcome, but to me 15 months suggests someone has enough positives to at least be in the maybe bucket or holding pen and with some luck will be let through. I feel like married + kids (even if also VN/ASEAN) would help, but even that would not guarantee it.

I do wish jemzxc luck, and in general hope more ASEAN kids can make it through (but the buckets are what they are).

[jemzxc]

Hi everyone,

Thank you very much for your attention to my topic and for your replies.

To address some questions, my mom came here in 2012 when I was still schooling and as shared, my mom was on a LTVP - tagging on my student pass and right now she is tagging on my siblings.

Regarding my early education, it is right that I had to take a national examination in order to be enrolled into neighborhood secondary school (or we call it local school). This opportunity is not on an application-basis like SC or PR. I did have a tuition grant with MOE for 3 years upon completing my diploma as well (I received a discount for my school fee and had to work in Sg for 3 years to pay off the bond).

For the first 2 applications; they were only pending for 6 months. It is worth noting that I was making less than half of what I am making now and back then I only had a diploma for the first application, and dip + BA for my application. I submitted my MBA cert for the 3rd application and my transcript was looking good (I have 4 High Distinction out of 8 modules).

I am quite anxious as I have been waiting and checking the status only everyday. at the same time, I am also scared to know the outcome. It’s quite disheartening la to be honest.. I spent half of my life here and yet I was not being considered for the first 2 times ..

Hope this clarifies! Thanks everyone once again.

[sundaymorningstaple]

cavemaner, I am pretty sure that OP mother's is on a LTVP and has been on that since she came with the OP on a special LTVP as a péidú māmā or in English a Study Mama. to accompany a minor while in school. It is/was a very limited/unlimited LTVP as she would not have been allowed to work the first couple of years so would have been living on funds from the family in VN. Plug that into the equation and the family history will be clearer. Not to many today know about péidú māmās and the fact that the facility exists to cater to international students. Original used for PRC Chinese students but eventually extended for other Asian countries as well like Australia, Malaysia, South Korea, Taiwan and Vietnam. Maybe our OP can verify this if it is correct.

What say you jemzxc...

Anyways, I'm not sure on jemzxc's chances. I would be interested to know how long the two prior applications were pending. I know length of time for a decision does not correlate with outcome, but to me 15 months suggests someone has enough positives to at least be in the maybe bucket or holding pen and with some luck will be let through. I feel like married + kids (even if also VN/ASEAN) would help, but even that would not guarantee it.

I do wish jemzxc luck, and in general hope more ASEAN kids can make it through (but the buckets are what they are).

NYY1, I can tell you what I think has happened and it's a black mark on Singapore that goes back to the 1970s. I know you are a history buff and are probably a rarity here as a SGC as most local's know very little about Sg's actual history other than the major bragging points. I can help with two perspectives. One, the late 1960's - I was a chopper pilot in VN from mid 1966 to 3rd week of Jan 1968 and got out of the country before it all turned to crap (check you calendar for that time frame - you will understand). Fast forward to the late 1980's. In 1988 I joined the Joint Voluntary Agency for the resettlement of refugees for the USA working under control & with UNHCR and INS (US Immigration & Naturalization Service - ICA is the Singapore equivalent) I worked for them traveling to all the various refugee camps throughout ASEAN for 3.5 years. So I've been well acquainted with Singapore's thoughts on the matter from during the war and their treatment of VN refugees after they started releasing some from resettlement camps. I've heard all the horror stories pulled by the SGN throwing some food and water and petrol on the leaking, sinking rickety wooden fishing boats heavily overcrowded and then towing them back out to international water or into Malaysian or Indonesian waters (those towed into Indonesian water suffered a far worse fate than those who ended up in P. Bidong off the coast of M'sia. Anyway, due to this, Singapore has always been hesitant to allow immigration from VN (It's only in the last 15 years that I've started seeing some allowed to immigrate and get work passes. But prior to that, difficult and it's still difficult but not impossible. Sorry for the rant and it is a rant as I put my life on the line for VN and I hated how Singapore has treated them over the past 50 years. But to the point, it's going to be hard going for jemzxc, but the one thing in his favour is the time it taking and I hope it's a good thing as it must mean he's on their radar (based on my past experiences here) in a decent way.

[NYY1]

NYY1, I can tell you what I think has happened and it's a black mark on Singapore that goes back to the 1970s. I know you are a history buff and are probably a rarity here as a SGC as most local's know very little about Sg's actual history other than the major bragging points. I can help with two perspectives. One, the late 1960's - I was a chopper pilot in VN from mid 1966 to 3rd week of Jan 1968 and got out of the country before it all turned to crap (check you calendar for that time frame - you will understand). Fast forward to the late 1980's. In 1988 I joined the Joint Voluntary Agency for the resettlement of refugees for the USA working under control & with UNHCR and INS (US Immigration & Naturalization Service - ICA is the Singapore equivalent) I worked for them traveling to all the various refugee camps throughout ASEAN for 3.5 years. So I've been well acquainted with Singapore's thoughts on the matter from during the war and their treatment of VN refugees after they started releasing some from resettlement camps. I've heard all the horror stories pulled by the SGN throwing some food and water and petrol on the leaking, sinking rickety wooden fishing boats heavily overcrowded and then towing them back out to international water or into Malaysian or Indonesian waters (those towed into Indonesian water suffered a far worse fate than those who ended up in P. Bidong off the coast of M'sia. Anyway, due to this, Singapore has always been hesitant to allow immigration from VN (It's only in the last 15 years that I've started seeing some allowed to immigrate and get work passes. But prior to that, difficult and it's still difficult but not impossible. Sorry for the rant and it is a rant as I put my life on the line for VN and I hated how Singapore has treated them over the past 50 years. But to the point, it's going to be hard going for jemzxc, but the one thing in his favour is the time it taking and I hope it's a good thing as it must mean he's on their radar (based on my past experiences here) in a decent way.

No need to apologise, I have seen your comments on both of the topics above before (along with some add'l commentary).

I have been following the VN applicants on the board here to try and get a sense of how things are going for them. As you say, there seems to be a bit more but it's still not easy. Generally, I cheer for the students that came here at an early age; it is not easy to leave home and live away from your family (or at best split family with mother and possibly some siblings). But people do it in search of a better tomorrow. Losing an EP and being sent back home will have different ramifications and meanings for certain people (relative to others).

[NYY1]

Hi everyone,

Thank you very much for your attention to my topic and for your replies.

To address some questions, my mom came here in 2012 when I was still schooling and as shared, my mom was on a LTVP - tagging on my student pass and right now she is tagging on my siblings.

Regarding my early education, it is right that I had to take a national examination in order to be enrolled into neighborhood secondary school (or we call it local school). This opportunity is not on an application-basis like SC or PR. I did have a tuition grant with MOE for 3 years upon completing my diploma as well (I received a discount for my school fee and had to work in Sg for 3 years to pay off the bond).

For the first 2 applications; they were only pending for 6 months. It is worth noting that I was making less than half of what I am making now and back then I only had a diploma for the first application, and dip + BA for my application. I submitted my MBA cert for the 3rd application and my transcript was looking good (I have 4 High Distinction out of 8 modules).

I am quite anxious as I have been waiting and checking the status only everyday. at the same time, I am also scared to know the outcome. It’s quite disheartening la to be honest.. I spent half of my life here and yet I was not being considered for the first 2 times ..

Hope this clarifies! Thanks everyone once again.

Thanks for the additional clarifications and good luck!

[raptor_from_vietnam]

Hi all,

I and my spouse, both Vietnamese, have received our application result recently (rejection). We have been here since secondary school on government scholarship all the way to NUS. Both of us are in late 20s, working in MNCs with annual salary of around 100k each. It is my 2nd application and my spouse's 1st (I applied individually once before). It is really disheartening to us, as we have always considered SG our home. I know it is tough for Viets to get PR. But I've heard of success stories among my friends, some even with lower salary level and other criterias being the same. Judging from the Viets who we know pass or fail the PR application, I cannot draw any conclusion with respect to what make one succeed or fail. That is the annoying part. Without a concrete scorecard like AU or CA, we cant do anything except staying longer, try to increase our salary...all of which may not guarantee anything. My spouse really likes SG so we are not considering AU or CA at the moment. But I feel very anxious just spending our youth here without the prospect of being able to secure the PR, because other countries will not easily accept us when we pass our mid 30s.

[MOCHS]

^ Have a baby to cement that you want to sink roots here.

[raptor_from_vietnam]

But is it reckless to have a baby without securing PR first? I mean usually people need to achieve a certain level of stability in life before having a kid. In fact, having no permanent residency is what delaying us from having a baby. Sure we can support our baby financially at our current income level. But the moment we are retrenched or something, we would be kicked out of the country within 30 days.

[sundaymorningstaple]

Families make those kinds of decisions every day. If you want a family, it's always better to start sooner rather than later for a multitude of reasons. Stability now, while nice, could derail you for life and deprive you of the blessings of a family in the future if you are waiting for total stability (there is no such thing today). Look at what your previous two generations of VN citizens who happened to be incarcerated in Re-education camps after 1975 went through to get their families out of VN and resettled into other countries. I worked in those refugee camps for UNHCR from 1988 to 1991 throughout ASEAN, but primarily in Indonesia. All I'm trying to say is it depends on how bad you want it. There were births, deaths & marriages among the refugees in the camps as was pointed out to me by one of my interpreters (a refugee herself), she said life must go on and never lose sight of the goal regardless of the paths & roadblocks thrown up on your way. My interpreter now is happily married and living in Australia.

[raptor_from_vietnam]

Thanks for the reply SMS and thanks for what you've done for my fellow countrymen. I'm from the former South Vietnam myself, and my granddad spent a good 10 years in reeducation camp (he was a colonel in the South's army), some of my distant relatives became boat people as well. So I understand how much my people went through. I guess my life has been a lot better than those who went before me. But maybe I'm too localized here so I want to have the kind of stability that my Singaporean friends have. I've read many posts here after I received the news, and I think I need to remind myself that I'm at best a 1st gen immigrant not a local, so it's expected to have this kind of struggles, like so many in this forum have been through. I guess life isnt supposed to be easy for 1st gen immigrants, but it must go on no matters the ups and downs.

[iceblue]

Dear all, please give me some advise and inputs

I have applied PR for my wife in Sept 2021 and until now have not received any updates.

Below are our information and profiles:

Wife:
1) PRC Chinese (F)

2) Spass from April 2019 to Oct 2020

3) LTVP from Oct 2020 till now

4) Current job: Manager and shareholder in our company

5) IRAS NOA for year 2022: $80k a year income

6) Married with me since Sept 2020

7) Singaporean son born in Dec 2021

8) Degree holder from China (Degree cert verified by China academic degree Centre)

9) First marriage

10) Staying with me at my parent's private home (we are waiting for PR approval before buying our own house)

Me:
1) SG Chinese (M)

2) Current job: Company Director of 2 companies, one of which my wife is also working at and a shareholder

3) IRAS NOA for year 2022: $200+k annual income

4) NUS degree

5) First marriage with wife since Sept 2020

6) Singaporean son born in Dec 2021

7) Staying with me at my parent's private home (we are waiting for PR approval before buying our own house)

Based on the above, what are our chances? No news since we applied in Sept 2021

We went to see our MP at the 1.5 year mark and he helped us to send a letter to ica to check on the status. Following which a month later we received a letter from ICA stating that they have noted our MP's request for updates and that the application is still processing. But until now 3 months since then we have no updates.

Would appreciate if anyone have been in the situation before and if the waiting time is so long?

[therat]

Dear all, please give me some advise and inputs

I have applied PR for my wife in Sept 2021 and until now have not received any updates.

Below are our information and profiles:

Wife:
1) PRC Chinese (F)

2) Spass from April 2019 to Oct 2020

3) LTVP from Oct 2020 till now

4) Current job: Manager and shareholder in our company

5) IRAS NOA for year 2022: $80k a year income

6) Married with me since Sept 2020

7) Singaporean son born in Dec 2021

8) Degree holder from China (Degree cert verified by China academic degree Centre)

9) First marriage

10) Staying with me at my parent's private home (we are waiting for PR approval before buying our own house)

Me:
1) SG Chinese (M)

2) Current job: Company Director of 2 companies, one of which my wife is also working at and a shareholder

3) IRAS NOA for year 2022: $200+k annual income

4) NUS degree

5) First marriage with wife since Sept 2020

6) Singaporean son born in Dec 2021

7) Staying with me at my parent's private home (we are waiting for PR approval before buying our own house)

Based on the above, what are our chances? No news since we applied in Sept 2021

We went to see our MP at the 1.5 year mark and he helped us to send a letter to ica to check on the status. Following which a month later we received a letter from ICA stating that they have noted our MP's request for updates and that the application is still processing. But until now 3 months since then we have no updates.

Would appreciate if anyone have been in the situation before and if the waiting time is so long?

some people thought MP letter mean will get priority Q or add weight. But it dont
The most ICA send you a reply, claim they have receive MP letter. The end.

You have to wait patiently

How long is the waiting time..
As what SMS always said - How long is a piece of string?