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Re: Stupid news articles

Post by malcontent » Thu, 06 Apr 2023 1:55 pm

With less than half of the population being Singapore-born Singaporeans, it’s time to turn the corner and be more welcoming of anyone living here and contributing to the Singapore story. No more dividing people into stayers and quitters… there are only contributors. The trend toward this insular, entitled, xenophobic culture needs to stop, or else everything that is special here will fade away and glory of the past will be just that.
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Re: Stupid news articles

Post by tiktok » Sun, 23 Apr 2023 8:39 pm

This story is absent from Straits Times and CNA (correct me if I'm wrong). I guess the government thinks it's best that that people don't know about it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/sout ... 23481.html
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Re: Stupid news articles

Post by Lisafuller » Sun, 23 Apr 2023 11:38 pm

malcontent wrote:
Thu, 06 Apr 2023 1:55 pm
With less than half of the population being Singapore-born Singaporeans, it’s time to turn the corner and be more welcoming of anyone living here and contributing to the Singapore story. No more dividing people into stayers and quitters… there are only contributors. The trend toward this insular, entitled, xenophobic culture needs to stop, or else everything that is special here will fade away and glory of the past will be just that.
Don't think anybody was trying to be xenophobic...

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Re: Stupid news articles

Post by malcontent » Mon, 24 Apr 2023 12:50 am

Lisafuller wrote:
Sun, 23 Apr 2023 11:38 pm
malcontent wrote:
Thu, 06 Apr 2023 1:55 pm
With less than half of the population being Singapore-born Singaporeans, it’s time to turn the corner and be more welcoming of anyone living here and contributing to the Singapore story. No more dividing people into stayers and quitters… there are only contributors. The trend toward this insular, entitled, xenophobic culture needs to stop, or else everything that is special here will fade away and glory of the past will be just that.
Don't think anybody was trying to be xenophobic...
I was speaking about Singapore remaining open and dynamic. Xenophobic means having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries — that happens here more than it should.
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Re: Stupid news articles

Post by jalanjalan » Mon, 24 Apr 2023 12:52 pm

tiktok wrote:
Sun, 23 Apr 2023 8:39 pm
This story is absent from Straits Times and CNA (correct me if I'm wrong). I guess the government thinks it's best that that people don't know about it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/sout ... 23481.html
Saw this on reddit, and someone linked the court case transcript. This article seems to be just quoting the defense statement and not the whole case.
The law in Singapore has never been a secret, and the message has always been clear - don't deal drugs.

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Post by Lisafuller » Mon, 24 Apr 2023 11:41 pm

No question about that. It's a heavy consequence, but it sounds a strong and effective message.

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Re: Stupid news articles

Post by Lisafuller » Mon, 24 Apr 2023 11:43 pm

malcontent wrote:
Mon, 24 Apr 2023 12:50 am
Lisafuller wrote:
Sun, 23 Apr 2023 11:38 pm
malcontent wrote:
Thu, 06 Apr 2023 1:55 pm
With less than half of the population being Singapore-born Singaporeans, it’s time to turn the corner and be more welcoming of anyone living here and contributing to the Singapore story. No more dividing people into stayers and quitters… there are only contributors. The trend toward this insular, entitled, xenophobic culture needs to stop, or else everything that is special here will fade away and glory of the past will be just that.
Don't think anybody was trying to be xenophobic...
I was speaking about Singapore remaining open and dynamic. Xenophobic means having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries — that happens here more than it should.
True, we need to be less judgmental people of who come from overseas, many of us were once in their position.

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Re: Stupid news articles

Post by tiktok » Tue, 25 Apr 2023 1:05 pm

jalanjalan wrote:
Mon, 24 Apr 2023 12:52 pm
tiktok wrote:
Sun, 23 Apr 2023 8:39 pm
This story is absent from Straits Times and CNA (correct me if I'm wrong). I guess the government thinks it's best that that people don't know about it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/sout ... 23481.html
Saw this on reddit, and someone linked the court case transcript. This article seems to be just quoting the defense statement and not the whole case.
The law in Singapore has never been a secret, and the message has always been clear - don't deal drugs.
Sure, don't deal drugs, but humanity has discovered better forms of punishment than execution. It's completely out of proportion for a drug that's now legal in many countries. I suspect that's why the government has instructed the press not to report on it.
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Re: Stupid news articles

Post by jalanjalan » Tue, 25 Apr 2023 4:00 pm

tiktok wrote:
Tue, 25 Apr 2023 1:05 pm
jalanjalan wrote:
Mon, 24 Apr 2023 12:52 pm
tiktok wrote:
Sun, 23 Apr 2023 8:39 pm
This story is absent from Straits Times and CNA (correct me if I'm wrong). I guess the government thinks it's best that that people don't know about it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/sout ... 23481.html
Saw this on reddit, and someone linked the court case transcript. This article seems to be just quoting the defense statement and not the whole case.
The law in Singapore has never been a secret, and the message has always been clear - don't deal drugs.
Sure, don't deal drugs, but humanity has discovered better forms of punishment than execution. It's completely out of proportion for a drug that's now legal in many countries. I suspect that's why the government has instructed the press not to report on it.
It's in CNA and ST today. Sorry, disagree with you that pot is no big deal. Heard all the arguments about that and they fail to convince me. Happy healthy people don't numb their brains with drugs. I'd rather focus on keeping people happy and healthy.

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Re: Stupid news articles

Post by tiktok » Tue, 25 Apr 2023 4:20 pm

You mean this? https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ ... ations-mha

Basically full of government opinion and Richard Branson has no credibility. Funny how they wait for the rest of the world to report it before coming up with this great piece of journalism. See how much you can actually learn about what Branson wrote from that article, then compare to how much space is given to government quotes.

"Pot" is not addictive, is less harmful than alcohol, and has other uses than numbing brains. It appears quite effective at treating some forms of cancer for example. https://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatm ... ancer.html

As for numbing brains, most Singaporeans already do that by spending most of their waking lives staring at phones. And they don't seem too happy either.
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Re: Stupid news articles

Post by jalanjalan » Tue, 25 Apr 2023 5:01 pm

tiktok wrote:
Tue, 25 Apr 2023 4:20 pm
You mean this? https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ ... ations-mha

Basically full of government opinion and Richard Branson has no credibility. Funny how they wait for the rest of the world to report it before coming up with this great piece of journalism. See how much you can actually learn about what Branson wrote from that article, then compare to how much space is given to government quotes.

"Pot" is not addictive, is less harmful than alcohol, and has other uses than numbing brains. It appears quite effective at treating some forms of cancer for example. https://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatm ... ancer.html

As for numbing brains, most Singaporeans already do that by spending most of their waking lives staring at phones. And they don't seem too happy either.
So, bad if they report it and bad if they don't? :-k

Here's some reading on the topic of medical use of cannabis: https://www.cnb.gov.sg/educational-reso ... l-cannabis

I'm not sure what phone habits have to do with drugs, or how drugs would help phone habits or increase overall happiness.

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Re: Stupid news articles

Post by tiktok » Tue, 25 Apr 2023 5:08 pm

Look, I know Singaporeans trust the government, but you really have to look further afield for the truth. Of course the Central Narcotics Bureau is not going to tell you anything positive about pot.

Phone habits do a lot more damage to Singaporeans' mental and physical health than cannabis ever will.
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Re: Stupid news articles

Post by jalanjalan » Tue, 25 Apr 2023 6:25 pm

tiktok wrote:
Tue, 25 Apr 2023 5:08 pm
Look, I know Singaporeans trust the government, but you really have to look further afield for the truth. Of course the Central Narcotics Bureau is not going to tell you anything positive about pot.

Phone habits do a lot more damage to Singaporeans' mental and physical health than cannabis ever will.
re. phone habits - Source?

And as for trusting the government, I think that's generally a positive thing and a sign of a healthy, functioning society. Just remember, your bias is at play here too.

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Re: Stupid news articles

Post by tiktok » Tue, 25 Apr 2023 6:59 pm

Yes I'm biased to never trust any government, thanks to a western education and knowledge of history. Arguably, Singapore had an amazingly capable founding leader, but now your leaders are making themselves rich, putting their family in senior government posts, imprisoning opponents, stifling free thought thought and making a farce of democracy.
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Re: Stupid news articles

Post by Lisafuller » Tue, 25 Apr 2023 9:25 pm

tiktok wrote:
Tue, 25 Apr 2023 1:05 pm
jalanjalan wrote:
Mon, 24 Apr 2023 12:52 pm
tiktok wrote:
Sun, 23 Apr 2023 8:39 pm
This story is absent from Straits Times and CNA (correct me if I'm wrong). I guess the government thinks it's best that that people don't know about it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/sout ... 23481.html
Saw this on reddit, and someone linked the court case transcript. This article seems to be just quoting the defense statement and not the whole case.
The law in Singapore has never been a secret, and the message has always been clear - don't deal drugs.
Sure, don't deal drugs, but humanity has discovered better forms of punishment than execution. It's completely out of proportion for a drug that's now legal in many countries. I suspect that's why the government has instructed the press not to report on it.
As an American, I'm inclined to agree with you. On the other hand though, this hard approach is what has worked for SG so you can see why they're not in a rush to change it.

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