Stupid news articles

[malcontent]

You told me to look here: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ ... -tells-bbc

Based on the character count I'd say this issue is equally important for both of us. I always try and make evidence easy to find, I have never said "go look it up", that's lazy and unhelpful.

Lazy? It’s a 2 min read - I found the reduction in drug arrests within 1 minute, drug arrests have dropped by roughly half from 6,000 per year to around 3,000 per year today.

Imagine if instead all 6,000 of those arrested were jailed each year… in just 17 years the prison population would exceed 100,000.

Who wants to pay more taxes to fund that, and who wants that reduction in land space, which would drive property prices even higher? Heck, I don’t even want to pay more tax to buy a bullet to execute them - rope works just fine.

These people made their own bed, they have to sleep in it - even when it’s a dirt nap. Might seem cruel, but I’ve seen first hand how drugs ruin people lives. My brother would be alive today if it weren’t for these scumbags.

[jwoods1864]

Tiktok, are you a Singaporean?
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[tiktok]

Lazy? It’s a 2 min read - I found the reduction in drug arrests within 1 minute, drug arrests have dropped by roughly half from 6,000 per year to around 3,000 per year today.

And the global per capita consumption of margarine shows very high correlation with the divorce rate in Maine.

MHA failed to demonstrate any causal link, they just implied it, and you didn't question it.

[tiktok]

Tiktok, are you a Singaporean?
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I'm not, but nonetheless there are enlightened, well informed and free thinking Singaporeans, for example Chee Soon Juan, Paul Tambyah, PJ Thum and Kirsten Han. Check them out before the government throws them in jail. (They already did that many times to Mr Chee).

[malcontent]

Lazy? It’s a 2 min read - I found the reduction in drug arrests within 1 minute, drug arrests have dropped by roughly half from 6,000 per year to around 3,000 per year today.

And the global per capita consumption of margarine shows very high correlation with the divorce rate in Maine.

MHA failed to demonstrate any causal link, they just implied it, and you didn't question it.

We are not lemmings. Do you really believe that we swallow everything… hook, line and sinker? We all know the freedom of the press rankings here. We all know information can be manipulated and presented in a way that appears to support one side, while reality can be quite different. For example, it was not lost on me that they used the term “drug arrests” — which, obviously could be many things - not just drug mules getting caught and put to death. Yes, I see it… yes, it might be fudging the truth, but it never influenced me anyway. I am not drinking the kool-aid, I have my own independent opinion that is in no way influenced by any talking heads or media bias. I’ve always been in support of “eye for an eye” and “spare the rod, spoil the child” — this is negative reinforcement straight from Psychology 101… anyone who says it doesn’t work is kidding themselves.

[sundaymorningstaple]

Tiktok, are you a Singaporean?
Bravo for not drinking the Kool-Aid.


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I'm not, but nonetheless there are enlightened, well informed and free thinking Singaporeans, for example Chee Soon Juan, Paul Tambyah, PJ Thum and Kirsten Han. Check them out before the government throws them in jail. (They already did that many times to Mr Chee).

Better be careful. We know several of the Ministries read these forums. If you let bulldog mouth overload hummingbird butt, They might just ship your arse back to HK (considering how much you love the place). Or might contact & have Admin drill down and trace your IP, etc.

[tiktok]

Yes, I'm sure the POFMA police are reading every word. Better not discuss Ho Ching's salary!

[Myasis Dragon]

But is the death penalty an effective deterrent? The crime rate in US states with death penalty is no lower than others. Hong Kong and Singapore have a similar murder rate but Hong Kong has no death penalty. Iran has even more severe drug laws but higher rates of drug abuse. There are endless anecdotes but little evidence.

As heartwarming as is to hear LKY and Shanmugan talking tough, it doesn't mean they are right.

I'm with you. Your statistics are correct. Worse, in the USA, the death penalty is applied in a way that puts more minorities on death row. It's very racist.

Beyond that, the death penalty is state-sanctioned murder. It's not a deterrent, it's state-sanctioned revenge It's bad enough that the death penalty is applied to capital crimes, it is abhorrent when applied to drug crimes. The death penalty is irrationally applied, imposed on some but not on others, with no valid justification for the difference.

Civilized countries have done away with the death penalty. If you want to put yourself in with China, Iran, Egypt, Syria, and Saudi Arabia, who are the top five executioners in the world, then keep the death penalty.

24 states and DC in the USA have abolished the death penalty, with 3 states having imposed a moratorium. Not surprisingly, the 24 states that all think the death penalty does some good are deep red republican states. Texas leads the killing.

The US justice system may well have made a mess of it, but that's their issue, not ours. Different country, different history, different population. They may do what they like within their own borders.

I like not seeing streets and streets of addicts lying in their own waste. I like that school children don't have to fend off dealers. What we're doing is clearly working for us. So I support it, and we may do what we like within our own borders.

You're doing a great job of exaggeration with "streets and streets of addicts lying in their own waste." And your callous disregard for human life is disturbing.

Here's an example of the Singapore death penalty: Tangaraju s/o Suppiah, 46, was executed on Wednesday 26 April 2023. Suppiah was sentenced to the mandatory death penalty in 2018 for assisting in the trafficking of 1,017g (35.9 ounces) of cannabis into Singapore in 2013.

ASSISTING in the import of 1 kilogram of pot, aka, marijuana. That is cruel and unusual punishment and death certainly doesn't fit the crime. 1 kilogram of pot is not a big time drug dealer.

You think that the death penalty is a deterrent? Then why were there 12 executions for drug trafficking in Singapore in 2022? It's barbaric.

And you think Singapore is not racist in its application of the death penalty. The statistics say otherwise.

Drug use and drug trafficking are a socio-economic issue, not a criminal issue.

https://transformativejusticecollective ... nt-system/

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/8/5 ... -for-drugs

[jwoods1864]

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[tiktok]

As predicted, some PAP advertising in the form of a another story about drugs. No mention of harsh punishment, now Singapore is all supportive and caring for druggies. Shanmugam isn't talking about hanging people now, he's leading a committee to look into the rising drug problem that hanging was supposed to have reduced. It certainly sounds like there are lots of drugs in Singapore, didn't he say the death penalty is an effective deterrent?

Some of the international criticism has been the lack of help drug addicts get, I guess the PAP paid attention. So tough.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapo ... am-3463866

[malcontent]

More minorities in jail = racism. Minorities do not commit more crimes… and even if they did, it should be excused because they are underprivileged.

Lord help us all if that ever becomes mainstream thinking.

[jalanjalan]

Actually #1 is something you should question. Why are there still drugs in Singapore and why do people keep bringing them in?

And the point of this thread has always been to show how biased and inaccurate the mainstream media is in Singapore. If anyone believes what they read in it, they certainly don't know what is good for them.

Various reasons.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapo ... am-3463866

Again, we can choose the laws that work for us.

[jalanjalan]

Tiktok, are you a Singaporean?
Bravo for not drinking the Kool-Aid.


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I'm not, but nonetheless there are enlightened, well informed and free thinking Singaporeans, for example Chee Soon Juan, Paul Tambyah, PJ Thum and Kirsten Han. Check them out before the government throws them in jail. (They already did that many times to Mr Chee).

that comedy troupe?
https://mothership.sg/2018/09/kirsten-h ... r-mohamed/

[jalanjalan]

You're doing a great job of exaggeration with "streets and streets of addicts lying in their own waste." And your callous disregard for human life is disturbing.

It would be exaggeration if I was basing it off hearsay. I have seen how my hometown has changed, and had to comfort my elderly parents when their home was broken into by thieves looking for things to steal to buy drugs. I fear for them, and this is nothing like the neighbourhood I grew up in. I was in utter shock when saw what drug addiction is doing to my former home, and it's heartbreaking.

Good for you if it hasn't touched your family. I hope it never does. I support Singapore's tough drug laws 100%.

As for your other comments, read through the rest of this thread if you wish, as I have addressed them already, as have others.

[jalanjalan]

As predicted, some PAP advertising in the form of a another story about drugs. No mention of harsh punishment, now Singapore is all supportive and caring for druggies.

You are muddling dealers and addicts, as you well know.
Did you even read the article?