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Post by jalanjalan » Tue, 02 May 2023 11:05 am

malcontent wrote:
Tue, 02 May 2023 12:21 am
jalanjalan wrote:
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Nobody has talked about it, but I think it could be effective in treating one common ailment here: kiasuism 8-)
Only cure for kiasuness is getting what you want then realising it wasn't worth the trouble.
For true kiasu types, the greater the trouble, the greater the sense of accomplishment… even if it wasn’t something they wanted at all! It’s truly an affliction of the mind, which could be moderated with some mind altering substances :lol:
I did wonder about the mental health of those who queued for 4 hours for the footlong ikea hotdog. Could be a kind of addiction akin to gambling :-k Still I wouldn't try to cure a gambler with pot.

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Post by jalanjalan » Tue, 02 May 2023 11:07 am

x9200 wrote:
Tue, 02 May 2023 7:32 am
jalanjalan wrote:
Mon, 01 May 2023 11:52 pm
malcontent wrote:
Mon, 01 May 2023 11:17 pm
Nobody has talked about it, but I think it could be effective in treating one common ailment here: kiasuism 8-)
Only cure for kiasuness is getting what you want then realising it wasn't worth the trouble.
The problem is, it is worth the trouble, because this is how the whole system works. You jump the queue nobody says a bad word.

Talking of which, I witnessed such nice, heart warming example 2 months ago in Changi airport, where two guys tried to jump the pre-emigration security check queue. The police officer stopped them and made a display case, shaming them (in loud and clear words) in front of the hall full of waiting people. Perhaps something starts to change.
Sounds like instant karma right there

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Re: Stupid news articles

Post by jalanjalan » Tue, 02 May 2023 11:34 am

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Tue, 02 May 2023 8:09 am
- if something has medical benefits, governments are not acting in people's interest by banning it
- by all means regulate cannabis as strictly as alcohol and tobacco, but stop the killing

But yes, Singapore is different to other societies and I doubt sense will prevail.
Your first point is inaccurate as I just posted above, unless you mean self-medicating, which is a stupid thing to do regardless of the drug.
Your second point would only make sense if cannabis use is already out of control here, which it isn't.
Your "stop the killing" comment is just trying to create drama by using emotive terms, and Singaporeans are familiar with the finger wagging from western countries (who should look in the mirror). We have a right to set laws that work for us. If you want to be a pot head or a dealer, this is not the place to do it. Simple as that.

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Post by NYY1 » Tue, 02 May 2023 12:22 pm

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Tue, 02 May 2023 12:54 am
My daughter started out at SMPS which is not prestigious at all - only slightly above average. We never pushed her, she always did decently well and was always self-motivated.

When she finished primary, I wanted her to continue at SMSS which is a stones throw from our home. She wanted nothing to do with it. Her classmates who scored above 250 on PSLE like her were all going to better schools and all gunning for IP. TBH, my wife and I didn’t even know what IP was at the time, or whether it was something she should pursue.

I know there is this belief that parents play such a big role in all this, but we have been trying to get her to ease up, and study less! Our daughter picked the secondary school she wanted on her own without any influence from us. Her first and second choice was the same school, but first choice IP and second choice non-IP. She got non-IP and then appealed to the school to get IP (she was right at the COP) and she managed to get it after an interview. Now she tells me she kind of regrets it because she could have gotten into Raffles had she not been in IP. I keep telling her, it doesn’t matter, but does she listen? Absolutely not. It’s peer pressure… and the system promotes it.
Some of what you say is true, but with all due respect, I don't think you understand what is trying to be conveyed here. Let's speak in generic terms to try and make things more neutral.

How can we expect a child to study less or select a less prestigious school when all the parents can broadcast is how schools are not equal (and some have better teachers, better resources, better experience, etc)? Or even worse, some schools are described as not even worth registering for (certain residency status no longer useful) or it is implied that they are "not good?" The kid is going to do everything in his/her ability to try and get into what the parents describe in glowing terms and work like heck to avoid what they described as undesirable. It's an exercise in futility to ask the child to do X every now and then when the opposite of X is espoused (even if indirectly) nearly every other day.

And yes, parents do play a massive part here because they need to combat some of the thoughts that perpetuate through society (I'm not saying they doesn't exist or that the system is perfect) instead of forcing the kid to join the rat race just like everyone else (tuition, tuition, and more tuition anyone?). Everyone wants to blame the system or blame others. No one wants to look at their own attitudes and actions to see if they could have done something different to at least alleviate some of the less desirable aspects or better yet, go down another path. And even then, it is hard, but some succeed.

Just remember, no matter where one’s kid goes to school it is likely he/she a) did better/is more prepared than some kids in more famous schools with more blah blah blah and b) was also surpassed by someone that had less. This is true at PSLE, Os, As, Uni admissions, jobs, etc and not only in Singapore but everywhere else on the planet. Still, all we ever here people say is this school so great, others no good, and then we wonder why parents feel stress or the kids want to dump excessive amounts of time and effort into schooling (i.e. grades).

Anyways, best of luck and regards.

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Re: Stupid news articles

Post by x9200 » Tue, 02 May 2023 1:14 pm

tiktok wrote:
Tue, 02 May 2023 8:09 am
- by all means regulate cannabis as strictly as alcohol and tobacco, but stop the killing
Should this be also applicable to the other drugs with trafficking punishable with capital punishment?

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Post by tiktok » Tue, 02 May 2023 3:14 pm

Definitely not, there are huge differences between drugs. As I said before, Nordic countries have pretty effective policies for hard drugs that involve neither legal use nor death.
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Re: Stupid news articles

Post by malcontent » Wed, 03 May 2023 1:33 am

NYY1 wrote:
Tue, 02 May 2023 12:22 pm
malcontent wrote:
Tue, 02 May 2023 12:54 am
My daughter started out at SMPS which is not prestigious at all - only slightly above average. We never pushed her, she always did decently well and was always self-motivated.

When she finished primary, I wanted her to continue at SMSS which is a stones throw from our home. She wanted nothing to do with it. Her classmates who scored above 250 on PSLE like her were all going to better schools and all gunning for IP. TBH, my wife and I didn’t even know what IP was at the time, or whether it was something she should pursue.

I know there is this belief that parents play such a big role in all this, but we have been trying to get her to ease up, and study less! Our daughter picked the secondary school she wanted on her own without any influence from us. Her first and second choice was the same school, but first choice IP and second choice non-IP. She got non-IP and then appealed to the school to get IP (she was right at the COP) and she managed to get it after an interview. Now she tells me she kind of regrets it because she could have gotten into Raffles had she not been in IP. I keep telling her, it doesn’t matter, but does she listen? Absolutely not. It’s peer pressure… and the system promotes it.
Some of what you say is true, but with all due respect, I don't think you understand what is trying to be conveyed here. Let's speak in generic terms to try and make things more neutral.

How can we expect a child to study less or select a less prestigious school when all the parents can broadcast is how schools are not equal (and some have better teachers, better resources, better experience, etc)? Or even worse, some schools are described as not even worth registering for (certain residency status no longer useful) or it is implied that they are "not good?" The kid is going to do everything in his/her ability to try and get into what the parents describe in glowing terms and work like heck to avoid what they described as undesirable. It's an exercise in futility to ask the child to do X every now and then when the opposite of X is espoused (even if indirectly) nearly every other day.

And yes, parents do play a massive part here because they need to combat some of the thoughts that perpetuate through society (I'm not saying they doesn't exist or that the system is perfect) instead of forcing the kid to join the rat race just like everyone else (tuition, tuition, and more tuition anyone?). Everyone wants to blame the system or blame others. No one wants to look at their own attitudes and actions to see if they could have done something different to at least alleviate some of the less desirable aspects or better yet, go down another path. And even then, it is hard, but some succeed.

Just remember, no matter where one’s kid goes to school it is likely he/she a) did better/is more prepared than some kids in more famous schools with more blah blah blah and b) was also surpassed by someone that had less. This is true at PSLE, Os, As, Uni admissions, jobs, etc and not only in Singapore but everywhere else on the planet. Still, all we ever here people say is this school so great, others no good, and then we wonder why parents feel stress or the kids want to dump excessive amounts of time and effort into schooling (i.e. grades).

Anyways, best of luck and regards.
My daughter was always naturally competitive, even before she got into school, so once she got into the system here, she took to it like a fish to water.

After she was interviewed for IP the interviewer commented that “your daughter is very ambitious” - had she went to SAS with her brother, she would have been the ambitious and competitive too, but with a whole lot less pressure and workload, she would have had a life - that is the difference the system can make.
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Re: Stupid news articles

Post by NYY1 » Wed, 03 May 2023 11:05 am

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My daughter was always naturally competitive, even before she got into school, so once she got into the system here, she took to it like a fish to water.

After she was interviewed for IP the interviewer commented that “your daughter is very ambitious” - had she went to SAS with her brother, she would have been the ambitious and competitive too, but with a whole lot less pressure and workload, she would have had a life - that is the difference the system can make.
At the end of the day, everyone has a choice. It's like the person living in a crime ridden, drug infested area that only wants to blame the environment vs. taking control of his/her life to get out of there. Everyone is a victim, right?

The education system here certainly has incentives, and on average I won't try to refute some statements. Ultimately, one needs to remember that the average does not apply to everyone; it is 100% true that some kids here, even very high performing ones, have a life. The difference? They actively prioritize other things over the endless pursuit of grades. That could mean a few options at the next stage may be out of reach for some of them but they are OK with that.

Anyways, your kid has done well academically, nothing wrong with that and soon it will be on to the next stage. Regards.

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Re: Stupid news articles

Post by malcontent » Wed, 03 May 2023 1:42 pm

NYY1 wrote:
Wed, 03 May 2023 11:05 am
malcontent wrote:
Wed, 03 May 2023 1:33 am
My daughter was always naturally competitive, even before she got into school, so once she got into the system here, she took to it like a fish to water.

After she was interviewed for IP the interviewer commented that “your daughter is very ambitious” - had she went to SAS with her brother, she would have been the ambitious and competitive too, but with a whole lot less pressure and workload, she would have had a life - that is the difference the system can make.
At the end of the day, everyone has a choice. It's like the person living in a crime ridden, drug infested area that only wants to blame the environment vs. taking control of his/her life to get out of there. Everyone is a victim, right?

The education system here certainly has incentives, and on average I won't try to refute some statements. Ultimately, one needs to remember that the average does not apply to everyone; it is 100% true that some kids here, even very high performing ones, have a life. The difference? They actively prioritize other things over the endless pursuit of grades. That could mean a few options at the next stage may be out of reach for some of them but they are OK with that.

Anyways, your kid has done well academically, nothing wrong with that and soon it will be on to the next stage. Regards.
Yes, my former boss who was from China did just that - renounced and move to Australia just as her youngest daughter was about to enroll in P1. She didn’t want her kids to go through it. However, I don’t think everyone has the choice to leave, especially Singaporeans on the lower end of the economic spectrum who won’t be able to easily emigrate.

I wouldn't describe having to go through the Singapore education system as being a victim, but unless you can just float above it (not many can) the sacrifices are there. My daughter explained to me how they don’t just test chapter my chapter, you have to cram all chapters. Things are just made needlessly difficult.

The worst part of it all - she won’t even get proper credit for it. Because an A in Singapore is so hard to get, it is wasted effort when she goes outside Singapore, college admissions view easy A or a hard A as equal. Grade inflation around the world is making lesser students appear to be her equals. I know grades aren’t everything, but if you knew the amount of time and dedication she put into it… she has no life, and now it feels like it was all for nothing.
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Post by tiktok » Wed, 03 May 2023 4:18 pm

jalanjalan wrote:
Tue, 02 May 2023 11:34 am
Your "stop the killing" comment is just trying to create drama by using emotive terms, and Singaporeans are familiar with the finger wagging from western countries (who should look in the mirror). We have a right to set laws that work for us. If you want to be a pot head or a dealer, this is not the place to do it. Simple as that.
Of course someone's death should be "emotive" and one hell of a drama. Singaporeans should care. Nobody has the right to take another's life, except possibly for the most egregious violent crimes. Stop the killing.

Most Singaporeans oppose the death penalty for drug trafficking anyway. https://law.nus.edu.sg/publications/pub ... -findings/
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Re: Stupid news articles

Post by x9200 » Wed, 03 May 2023 5:18 pm

tiktok wrote:
Wed, 03 May 2023 4:18 pm
jalanjalan wrote:
Tue, 02 May 2023 11:34 am
Your "stop the killing" comment is just trying to create drama by using emotive terms, and Singaporeans are familiar with the finger wagging from western countries (who should look in the mirror). We have a right to set laws that work for us. If you want to be a pot head or a dealer, this is not the place to do it. Simple as that.
Of course someone's death should be "emotive" and one hell of a drama. Singaporeans should care. Nobody has the right to take another's life, except possibly for the most egregious violent crimes. Stop the killing.

Most Singaporeans oppose the death penalty for drug trafficking anyway. https://law.nus.edu.sg/publications/pub ... -findings/
Are you sure?
https://law.nus.edu.sg/wp-content/uploa ... Cheong.pdf
Table 3.1, page 12.

With marijuana it's a bit complicated because it is hard to estimate the impact, but for more hard drugs it seems like the choice between a few executions a year, where very likely all of the convicts are guilty vs. many more people dying (directly or indirectly from drugs) where most of them are pretty much innocent (not deserving to die).

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Post by tiktok » Wed, 03 May 2023 5:34 pm

Requires clarification, yes.
32% support mandatory death penalty for drug trafficking (what Singapore has).
54% support discretionary death penalty for drug trafficking.

And "likely guilty" is not a high enough bar for taking someone's life. Mistakes will always be made, especially with low educated drug mules.
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Post by malcontent » Wed, 03 May 2023 5:41 pm

I fully support the zero tolerance stand that Singapore has on drugs. However, if someone stuffs something in a zipped pouch of my luggage… I might become an unsuspecting mule on death row — that is a concern.
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Post by jalanjalan » Wed, 03 May 2023 6:24 pm

Findings from Recent Studies on the Death Penalty in Singapore (2022)
https://www.mha.gov.sg/mediaroom/press- ... -singapore

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Post by tiktok » Wed, 03 May 2023 6:26 pm

It's a government website - cannot be trusted.
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