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Deed of separation

Post by sevenKNIGHTS » Mon, 13 Feb 2023 11:23 am

Hi all,
Would like some advice if possible.

I received deed of separation from my spouse lawyer. I do not agree with the terms and do not want to sign/acknowledge it. Is there any legal implications on me that I just ignore it like that? In the letter it says ask me to respond by 1 week...

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Re: Deed of separation

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Tue, 14 Feb 2023 9:10 pm

If you don't respond, I believe that it becomes valid, e.g., uncontested.
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Re: Deed of separation

Post by sevenKNIGHTS » Tue, 14 Feb 2023 11:41 pm

I see. So I just need to reply the lawyer, I don't agree and do not wish to acknowledge it is good enough? I no need hire any lawyer to do it right?

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Re: Deed of separation

Post by Addadude » Wed, 15 Feb 2023 9:36 am

You need a lawyer. There is no way around this. The best you can strive for is to arrive at a mutually acceptable agreement as soon as possible so that minimum legal fees are incurred for both parties.
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Re: Deed of separation

Post by sevenKNIGHTS » Wed, 15 Feb 2023 7:34 pm

Addadude wrote:
Wed, 15 Feb 2023 9:36 am
You need a lawyer. There is no way around this. The best you can strive for is to arrive at a mutually acceptable agreement as soon as possible so that minimum legal fees are incurred for both parties.
I see. Need lawyer just to reply I do not wish to sign any deed of separation at all?

Or is it for other purpose?

Thanks

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Re: Deed of separation

Post by Addadude » Thu, 16 Feb 2023 9:13 am

sevenKNIGHTS wrote:
Wed, 15 Feb 2023 7:34 pm
I see. Need lawyer just to reply I do not wish to sign any deed of separation at all?

Or is it for other purpose?

Thanks
Sorry - I have to ask. Are you cognitively impaired in some way?

Your wife has engaged a lawyer and has begun what are effectively divorce proceedings. You will also need a lawyer to represent your interests or you are going to be screwed. It's that simple. This is not something that will go away because you don't agree with it.
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Re: Deed of separation

Post by PNGMK » Thu, 16 Feb 2023 9:49 am

Are you muslim? If so you can oppose a divorce (as men only have the right in the Syariah court - with some exceptions - to request a divorce; a side note - this is why some non muslim men quickly convert in MY to Islam - it gives them far more control over the process - doesn't work in Singapore as the Syariah court will only divorce a couple who were married under muslim law at the time). If you're not muslim it is impossible to legally stop your wife divorcing you (in the Singapore family court) but you normally will be offered compulsory counseling and that may be a chance for you to put some effort into reconciling with your wife.

Don't feel bad. 80 to 90% of divorces in "no fault" jurisdictions are initiated by the woman now.
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Re: Deed of separation

Post by malcontent » Thu, 16 Feb 2023 11:52 am

I remember reading about a woman who visited a lawyer wanting a divorce — she wanted to make her husband suffer to the maximum extent possible. The lawyer proposed that she wait 6 months, and during that time, be as nice as possible to her husband, put him first and go all out to make him happy no matter what the situation. The woman asked, why in the world would I do that? The lawyer said, that way your husband will feel even worse when you divorce him and he knows what he is losing. She agreed to do this. After 6 months the lawyer calls her up and lets her know it is time to do the divorce. She gasps and asks, why would I want to do that? Our marriage has never been better!
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Re: Deed of separation

Post by sevenKNIGHTS » Thu, 16 Feb 2023 1:49 pm

I am ok to divorce but now my question is about this deed of separation which I don't want to accept or sign. I can go straight to divorce procedure if that allows or needed but that is another topic.

So my question is still on this deed of separation. Do I need a lawyer to tell them I do not want to accept? Or even such simple reply will still need a lawyer in Singapore law. Or cannot even give an NO answer since letter is out, which I don't think so.

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Re: Deed of separation

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Thu, 16 Feb 2023 9:39 pm

I think I know why the OP is in this situation. Clearly, he is is lacking a fair number of marbles. I'd probably divorce him if I was his wife as well.

His question has already been answered. I can only imagine the pain and suffering the wife has had to endure since they were married.
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Re: Deed of separation

Post by Addadude » Thu, 16 Feb 2023 11:19 pm

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Re: Deed of separation

Post by x9200 » Fri, 17 Feb 2023 9:03 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Tue, 14 Feb 2023 9:10 pm
If you don't respond, I believe that it becomes valid, e.g., uncontested.
Nope. It's just like any formal, legally binding agreement. It requires signatures of both parties (spouses) to be valid.

The divorce can be made valid if uncontested because this is the judge who can decide unilaterally.

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Re: Deed of separation

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 17 Feb 2023 11:00 pm

x9200 wrote:
Fri, 17 Feb 2023 9:03 pm
sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Tue, 14 Feb 2023 9:10 pm
If you don't respond, I believe that it becomes valid, e.g., uncontested.
Nope. It's just like any formal, legally binding agreement. It requires signatures of both parties (spouses) to be valid.

The divorce can be made valid if uncontested because this is the judge who can decide unilaterally.
I'm afraid that I have to disagree with the codicil that I don't know the law here in Singapore, but as one who has been served with separation papers twice, I can attest to the fact that in the US, at least, no signature is required by the spouse for a legal separation (a decree nisi) after a set period of time if certain conditions are met then the Decree Absolute will be granted.
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Re: Deed of separation

Post by sundaymorningstaple » Fri, 17 Feb 2023 11:03 pm

Little more sleuthing brought up this which shows that it can be done without agreement but it takes a little more time and effort but can be done. Bit of a read but further down it gets to the point where the court can proceed without the Decree Nisi being served.

https://divorcelawyer-singapore.sg/fami ... f-service/
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Re: Deed of separation

Post by x9200 » Sat, 18 Feb 2023 6:45 am

sundaymorningstaple wrote:
Fri, 17 Feb 2023 11:03 pm
Little more sleuthing brought up this which shows that it can be done without agreement but it takes a little more time and effort but can be done. Bit of a read but further down it gets to the point where the court can proceed without the Decree Nisi being served.

https://divorcelawyer-singapore.sg/fami ... f-service/
Hi SMS, could you please quote the relevant part? I am having trouble finding it. The page seems to concern divorce proceeding after the divorced papers are in the court. It's a very different thing.

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