SC chances

[MOCHS]

I don’t get how PR/SC changes that for the better.

Subsidies, security of staying here in the event of unemployment. LTVP is still not very well known, there are too many variations of it (Eg. Study mama can have LTVP, graduates from tertiary institutes can have LTVP, etc). Not very clear distinction between LTVP given by ICA for foreign spouses vs LTVP given by MOM.

Employers sometimes treat LTVP lower than S pass, for some odd reason.

I know malcontent views PR very differently like a long term EP but that view is considered an outlier, not a norm.

[malcontent]

I don’t get how PR/SC changes that for the better.

Subsidies, security of staying here in the event of unemployment. LTVP is still not very well known, there are too many variations of it (Eg. Study mama can have LTVP, graduates from tertiary institutes can have LTVP, etc). Not very clear distinction between LTVP given by ICA for foreign spouses vs LTVP given by MOM.

Employers sometimes treat LTVP lower than S pass, for some odd reason.

I know malcontent views PR very differently like a long term EP but that view is considered an outlier, not a norm.

MOCHS, I admit that I can be a little cynical about the how “great” the benefits of SPR are, but I fully realize that era of PR being viewed/used/abused as a long-term EP fizzled out in the early 2000’s during the whole “stayers vs. quitters” saga. Today it is almost exclusively viewed as a step toward SC, and that seems to be the objective here.

What seems odd to me, especially at their age… does the decision to marry really hinge on the ability for a foreign spouse to attain SC? Is this a genuine marriage or a passport upgrade? Maybe it is just my skeptical nature.

But I agree with you on the stability aspect, I know there are some cases where spouses got LTVP but were later rejected and had to leave Singapore. Even my BIL had his LTVP rejected when he and my PR SIL moved here from the US. They had to appeal and fight for it. I also agree on the subsidies - at their income level, that can matter quite a lot.

[Lisafuller]

I don’t get how PR/SC changes that for the better.

Subsidies, security of staying here in the event of unemployment. LTVP is still not very well known, there are too many variations of it (Eg. Study mama can have LTVP, graduates from tertiary institutes can have LTVP, etc). Not very clear distinction between LTVP given by ICA for foreign spouses vs LTVP given by MOM.

Employers sometimes treat LTVP lower than S pass, for some odd reason.

I know malcontent views PR very differently like a long term EP but that view is considered an outlier, not a norm.

What seems odd to me, especially at their age… does the decision to marry really hinge on the ability for a foreign spouse to attain SC? Is this a genuine marriage or a passport upgrade? Maybe it is just my skeptical nature.

My thoughts exactly

[smoulder]

The way the query is worded looks a bit ambiguous at best, from what I can see. I'm not sure how you concluded that his decision to marry hinges on their chances of getting a PR or citizenship.

[MOCHS]

I do agree the query was merely asking what’s the chances of PR & SC after marriage, not “I will not marry her if she can’t get PR/SC”.

Probably the gf has tried to get PR on her own merit but failed due to the racial quota & low salary or she knows her current profile gives her zero chances in the first place.

Possibly trying luck with marriage at this point since marriage to a citizen where the citizen sponsors the spouse will usually increase the chances of PR after 2 years of marriage. But both are no longer considered child-bearing age so they are in a tricky situation where PR has a chance of rejection even with marriage and they both know it? So they come to the forum to see if there’s any silver lining to give them some hope?

[malcontent]

The way the query is worded looks a bit ambiguous at best, from what I can see. I'm not sure how you concluded that his decision to marry hinges on their chances of getting a PR or citizenship.

They did not say this directly, but they said they were “considering marriage” and in the same breath, wanted to know the chances of getting PR/SC and how long it would take.

Nobody is going to openly admit that they are considering a marriage of convenience, so I am admittedly reading between the lines. The OP can feel free to clarify.

[malcontent]

I do agree the query was merely asking what’s the chances of PR & SC after marriage, not “I will not marry her if she can’t get PR/SC”.

Probably the gf has tried to get PR on her own merit but failed due to the racial quota & low salary or she knows her current profile gives her zero chances in the first place.

Possibly trying luck with marriage at this point since marriage to a citizen where the citizen sponsors the spouse will usually increase the chances of PR after 2 years of marriage. But both are no longer considered child-bearing age so they are in a tricky situation where PR has a chance of rejection even with marriage and they both know it? So they come to the forum to see if there’s any silver lining to give them some hope?

It would be great to understand what considerations they are considering when considering marriage. At this point, we only know they have a concern about PR/SC, we don’t know why. The OP should really come on and explain, otherwise we will just spin our wheels in speculation and conjecture.

[smoulder]

The way the query is worded looks a bit ambiguous at best, from what I can see. I'm not sure how you concluded that his decision to marry hinges on their chances of getting a PR or citizenship.

They did not say this directly, but they said they were “considering marriage” and in the same breath, wanted to know the chances of getting PR/SC and how long it would take.

Nobody is going to openly admit that they are considering a marriage of convenience, so I am admittedly reading between the lines. The OP can feel free to clarify.

True. There will definitely be some skeptics who might connect the dots.

I guess we will have to wait for him to clarify. Totally up to him and even then I'm sure there will still be skeptics

[MOCHS]

Looking at the grammar, he doesn’t seem completely fluent in English and could be using Google translate to translate his thoughts into English. The awkward word placement could then make it seem like marriage of convenience.

[Lisafuller]

The way the query is worded looks a bit ambiguous at best, from what I can see. I'm not sure how you concluded that his decision to marry hinges on their chances of getting a PR or citizenship.

I concur with Mal.

[Lisafuller]

I do agree the query was merely asking what’s the chances of PR & SC after marriage, not “I will not marry her if she can’t get PR/SC”.

Probably the gf has tried to get PR on her own merit but failed due to the racial quota & low salary or she knows her current profile gives her zero chances in the first place.

Possibly trying luck with marriage at this point since marriage to a citizen where the citizen sponsors the spouse will usually increase the chances of PR after 2 years of marriage. But both are no longer considered child-bearing age so they are in a tricky situation where PR has a chance of rejection even with marriage and they both know it? So they come to the forum to see if there’s any silver lining to give them some hope?

This is the way I read it, which to me, seems a lot like a marriage of convenience since the goal is to use the marriage to earn her PR status.

[Lisafuller]

The way the query is worded looks a bit ambiguous at best, from what I can see. I'm not sure how you concluded that his decision to marry hinges on their chances of getting a PR or citizenship.

They did not say this directly, but they said they were “considering marriage” and in the same breath, wanted to know the chances of getting PR/SC and how long it would take.

Nobody is going to openly admit that they are considering a marriage of convenience, so I am admittedly reading between the lines. The OP can feel free to clarify.

Exactly how I read it, the question seemed very focused on marriage being the determining factor that would grant her PR status, as opposed to a sidenote.

[Lisafuller]

Looking at the grammar, he doesn’t seem completely fluent in English and could be using Google translate to translate his thoughts into English. The awkward word placement could then make it seem like marriage of convenience.

Totally possible, but then again, we can really only take what OP has said at face value, it is not up to us to interpret or speculate on his intention.

[Lisafuller]

I do agree the query was merely asking what’s the chances of PR & SC after marriage, not “I will not marry her if she can’t get PR/SC”.

Probably the gf has tried to get PR on her own merit but failed due to the racial quota & low salary or she knows her current profile gives her zero chances in the first place.

Possibly trying luck with marriage at this point since marriage to a citizen where the citizen sponsors the spouse will usually increase the chances of PR after 2 years of marriage. But both are no longer considered child-bearing age so they are in a tricky situation where PR has a chance of rejection even with marriage and they both know it? So they come to the forum to see if there’s any silver lining to give them some hope?

It would be great to understand what considerations they are considering when considering marriage. At this point, we only know they have a concern about PR/SC, we don’t know why. The OP should really come on and explain, otherwise we will just spin our wheels in speculation and conjecture.

LOL yes. To be honest, I can't imagine why else OP would have worded it this way (since they are no longer considered potential parents)

[MOCHS]

You do not include CPF employer contributions for gross salary.

You’ve been paying your taxes for years, check your IR8E form. There should be a number that is underlined & bolded on the form that is your annual income. Divide your annual income by 12 for gross salary.