SC chances

[malcontent]

Wife's education already stated. Hold Masters from an Indian Uni same as OP.

Quite honestly, I don't think this matters much on its own, what would carry more weight would be her job and industry.

It can be surprising what they consider. My daughter is a 3rd gen PR tied back to her grandparents who got PR in the 80’s under GIP. When we appealed her rejection at age 6… it was almost exclusively “show me the money” in order to justify granting her PR. Main focus was business revenue and properties owned in Singapore. As to why they cared so much about property ownership, I am not sure — was it simply assessing financial wherewithal or a concern about creating a family nucleus between my wife and daughter that would potentially be HDB eligible?

[sundaymorningstaple]

Like I've been saying for the past 18 years. We have no idea of what all is looked at when you apply for PR or SGC. We can only surmise based on anecdotal evidence when a poster throws out a ICA request that has been made of parents and/or G.Parents status in the home of origin and/or anything else that them may want to know.

This is precisely why our admonition about the constant whining from others when they get rejected and somebody they casually know gets approved with the exact (sic!) same profile. Good example is Mal's revelation. I've been here 40 years and have been dealing with immigration/mom for the past 35 of them and after 18 years on the board and 25 years in HR this is the first time I've heard what he as related regarding housing and properties. Also the revelation about children's school/grades in another post. Just goes to show. We can only provide educated guesses, but we don't have a secret copy of the playbook.

The reason behind it? Who knows? However, if I were to make a guess (and this does not surprise me) I'd say they are looking to the future for the next generation (considering what a F****d up mess a huge portion of the current crop of 20' somethings has turned out to be worldwide). Consider this. Maybe they are looking at the next generation. Do they want to let in potential problems? If you were to think about adoption of a child, would you deliberately adopt a problem child with bad grades, bad habits, bad attendance, bad attitude? Doubtful. So you would do a full case study to try to eliminate those who would possibly be potential issues later. So why shouldn't the government be the same way.

[Lisafuller]

Consider this. Maybe they are looking at the next generation. Do they want to let in potential problems? If you were to think about adoption of a child, would you deliberately adopt a problem child with bad grades, bad habits, bad attendance, bad attitude? Doubtful. So you would do a full case study to try to eliminate those who would possibly be potential issues later. So why shouldn't the government be the same way.

This makes great sense, helps me to understand your POV. I guess it's true, there's no reason why they should let in someone who is a gamble over someone who ticks all the boxes.

[Lisafuller]

Wife's education already stated. Hold Masters from an Indian Uni same as OP.

Quite honestly, I don't think this matters much on its own, what would carry more weight would be her job and industry.

It can be surprising what they consider. My daughter is a 3rd gen PR tied back to her grandparents who got PR in the 80’s under GIP. When we appealed her rejection at age 6… it was almost exclusively “show me the money” in order to justify granting her PR. Main focus was business revenue and properties owned in Singapore. As to why they cared so much about property ownership, I am not sure — was it simply assessing financial wherewithal or a concern about creating a family nucleus between my wife and daughter that would potentially be HDB eligible?

Crazy when you think about the fact that this was over a 6 year old.

[malcontent]

Quite honestly, I don't think this matters much on its own, what would carry more weight would be her job and industry.

It can be surprising what they consider. My daughter is a 3rd gen PR tied back to her grandparents who got PR in the 80’s under GIP. When we appealed her rejection at age 6… it was almost exclusively “show me the money” in order to justify granting her PR. Main focus was business revenue and properties owned in Singapore. As to why they cared so much about property ownership, I am not sure — was it simply assessing financial wherewithal or a concern about creating a family nucleus between my wife and daughter that would potentially be HDB eligible?

Crazy when you think about the fact that this was over a 6 year old.

I was not present at the appeal, but my wife told me they reviewed the entire history of her family’s PR. Perhaps this varies depending on how PR was originally obtained and by default they desire to apply the same yardstick that the original PR was based on. It was almost like my wife was being asked to justify her own PR as well.

[Lisafuller]

Wow, personally, I'd be pissed. How insulting!

[malcontent]

Wow, personally, I'd be pissed. How insulting!

I had initially thought her PR rejection could have been triggered by the multiple EP rejections I received when I first arrived. But instead the focus was squarely on the economic value being extracted today as a result of granting PR decades earlier. Maybe they use that information as a basis for tweaking GIP in the future? That is my guess, because in the end they did grant PR based on family ties (presumably).

[BecomeSg]

Hi All,

Good afternoon and thank you very much for your advice on the below.

My Girlfriend and I is considering getting married. We would like to know the chances of her getting a PR and later becoming a Singaporean. How long will it take?

Me: Singaporean. 48 years old. Yearly income around $100k. Own business.
She: Philippines. 38 years old. Yearly income around $30k. Admin holding S Pass for 5 years already.

No plans of having kids yet.

Thank you

[malcontent]

Hi All,

Good afternoon and thank you very much for your advice on the below.

My Girlfriend and I is considering getting married. We would like to know the chances of her getting a PR and later becoming a Singaporean. How long will it take?

Me: Singaporean. 48 years old. Yearly income around $100k. Own business.
She: Philippines. 38 years old. Yearly income around $30k. Admin holding S Pass for 5 years already.

No plans of having kids yet.

Thank you

Have you submitted PMLA yet?

Why are you so concerned about getting her PR and citizenship? Would that change your mind about marrying her?

At your ages, normal expectation would be no plans for kids ever. Women should generally have kids by age 35 at the latest — the risks grow exponentially from there. Even the HDB “gives up on you” at age 35.

[MOCHS]

Why are you so concerned about getting her PR and citizenship? Would that change your mind about marrying her?

Gives couples an option for a plan B which is to either go to spouse’s country or a different country altogether.

For BecomeSg, common advice is do PMLA first, ROM, then LTVP. Wait for 2 years of marriage before applying for PR. Then wait 3-5 years after PR before applying for SC.

Honestly, chances for PR is slim due to Others ethinicity and her no longer being of child-bearing age. If she can pop a SC kid ASAP after marriage, maybe it might turn the tide.

[malcontent]

Why are you so concerned about getting her PR and citizenship? Would that change your mind about marrying her?

Gives couples an option for a plan B which is to either go to spouse’s country or a different country altogether.

I don’t get how PR/SC changes that for the better.

Whether she stays on S pass or goes on LTVP, they can stay in Singapore.

A foreign spouse of a Filipino is entitled to instant PR in the Philippines. In fact, once she renounces her Filipino citizenship for SC, it will reduce their options, not broaden them.

[Lisafuller]

Hi All,

Good afternoon and thank you very much for your advice on the below.

My Girlfriend and I is considering getting married. We would like to know the chances of her getting a PR and later becoming a Singaporean. How long will it take?

Me: Singaporean. 48 years old. Yearly income around $100k. Own business.
She: Philippines. 38 years old. Yearly income around $30k. Admin holding S Pass for 5 years already.

No plans of having kids yet.

Thank you

I believe I replied to you on another thread. If you get married, you'll want to wait two years (minimally) before applying.

[Lisafuller]

Hi All,

Good afternoon and thank you very much for your advice on the below.

My Girlfriend and I is considering getting married. We would like to know the chances of her getting a PR and later becoming a Singaporean. How long will it take?

Me: Singaporean. 48 years old. Yearly income around $100k. Own business.
She: Philippines. 38 years old. Yearly income around $30k. Admin holding S Pass for 5 years already.

No plans of having kids yet.

Thank you

Have you submitted PMLA yet?

Why are you so concerned about getting her PR and citizenship? Would that change your mind about marrying her?

At your ages, normal expectation would be no plans for kids ever. Women should generally have kids by age 35 at the latest — the risks grow exponentially from there. Even the HDB “gives up on you” at age 35.

Apparently the statistic is that every year after 35 a woman's fertility goes down by 1%.

[Lisafuller]

Why are you so concerned about getting her PR and citizenship? Would that change your mind about marrying her?

Gives couples an option for a plan B which is to either go to spouse’s country or a different country altogether.

For BecomeSg, common advice is do PMLA first, ROM, then LTVP. Wait for 2 years of marriage before applying for PR. Then wait 3-5 years after PR before applying for SC.

Honestly, chances for PR is slim due to Others ethinicity and her no longer being of child-bearing age. If she can pop a SC kid ASAP after marriage, maybe it might turn the tide.

Agree, but since he says, they have no plans for kids, that seems unlikely, which brings the chances down all over again.

[Lisafuller]

Why are you so concerned about getting her PR and citizenship? Would that change your mind about marrying her?

Gives couples an option for a plan B which is to either go to spouse’s country or a different country altogether.

I don’t get how PR/SC changes that for the better.

Whether she stays on S pass or goes on LTVP, they can stay in Singapore.

A foreign spouse of a Filipino is entitled to instant PR in the Philippines. In fact, once she renounces her Filipino citizenship for SC, it will reduce their options, not broaden them.

It's very likely that they intend to stay in Singapore permanently, so in their case Filipino PR for the husband would be entirely useless.