PR Approval Chance for 2023

[NYY1]

Ex-ante, what makes a good I PTS application? Of course, there are some that eventually get through, possibly after multiple rejections (we've seen some people in the queue and asked for certain info, at which point I think some here will at least say "got a shot"). However, putting aside a salary and education that checks the boxes, how does one really compete? If the parents were university students here? Kids in local school? Male offspring? All good but obviously still not enough to know for sure like some other demographics?

Should one even apply if single or married without kids? Or been here less than 5 years?

Again, I understand you can't get approved if you don't apply. At the same time, I don't think multiple rejections (after two years in SG, after another year, after another yera etc, etc) really helps anyone. The subsequent applications may have a higher hurdle to clear if there is a notion of (previous) rejection attached to it?

Would people be better of putting in their time (5 years or so) and then going in with at least some stronger showing that they like it here and have progressed?

Not trying to be negative here towards what people have done; we all know the odds are long. More a question on what will really give people a better shot (still knowing the odds are not great).

As some have mentioned, at least research / run Plan B in parallel.

[sundaymorningstaple]

NYY1, that is what I've always espoused. Don't keep applying over and over every year or even ever two years unless there is something drastically different (better). What happens is that those who keep applying every year or a month or two of rejection, when ICA sees them them have the distinct aroma of desperation. It also makes ICA wonder why. I reckon unless you are here at least 5 years before you make your first application you will have the best chance. Along with the other bits we've espoused over the years that while not a guarantee, go a long way to showing assimilation. Without those, most already know the Indian community (expat ones) tend to keep and try to make enclaves all to themselves. This angers the local variety no end (I know this first hand as I'm married to one of them). The local variety looks at the subcontent variety of standoffish and proud to the point of annoyance. I know better than that, having been in HR for the last 25 years before I retired. But the government need to keep voters in their pockets so their policies are driven accordingly. And yes, a recurring refrain from me as well. Always have a Plan B.

[Wd40]

Yes change in the profile like salary and promotions, Son started to going local school like this changes after the last rejection. So i have planned to apply with this new changes.

Anecdotally, across about 18 years on here, you can pretty much figure on waiting 2 years after the date of your last rejection. But at the same time, if the only thing that has changed is an annual cola. You are a) pretty much wasting your time, and; b) setting yourself up for unneeded frustration and disappointment.

Sadly, you are in the smallest individual ethnic demographic and the most heavily oversubscribed demographic for PR. This doesn't mean you are competing with the C.M. & O. but are competing with only those in your own demographic cohort.

Due to the sheer size of the Indian population (tied with China now I believe, or very close), one is competing with India's cream de la cream. (as an example, 30% of the fortune 100 CEO's in the US are all Indian Nationals. This is what you are up against.

Additionally, a lot of Indians who have come here over the past 20 years tended to either burn the bridges by abusing Singapore, or collecting PRs from several countries as bolt-holes. Singapore has been burned more than most as it is highly advanced and makes a excellent stepping stone for Indian venturing out around the globe and it is also attractive to High Flying Indians who are getting older and well established in their careers an now want to be in closer proximity to India so Singapore catches the UK, US, CA, guys coming the other way in later years to be closer to India but with a higher standard of living (subjective, I know).

Personally, I don't see any success in the near future.

One thing that has definitely changed in the last 14 years I have been here is the image of Global Indians has jumped by leaps and bounds. I remember back in 2009, there was only Vikram Pandit who was made CEO of Citibank and he didn't do well. There was a negative remark also made here in this forum, about him.

India has developed a lot and now salary wise it is easier to find a job in India and Singapore isn't as attractive as before for people to even come on EP here. So I believe the desperation of Indians to get PR should have reduced. Except for people who are already here from a long time and are used to this place.

[gold.spot]

One thing that has definitely changed in the last 14 years I have been here is the image of Global Indians has jumped by leaps and bounds. I remember back in 2009, there was only Vikram Pandit who was made CEO of Citibank and he didn't do well. There was a negative remark also made here in this forum, about him.

India has developed a lot and now salary wise it is easier to find a job in India and Singapore isn't as attractive as before for people to even come on EP here. So I believe the desperation of Indians to get PR should have reduced. Except for people who are already here from a long time and are used to this place.

Hmmm the data suggests that the number of Indians who come here is even greater than before.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ ... favourable

And that's just the EPs. Those numbers to be supplemented by S pass holders, which would predominantly from non IT industries.

And of course, no need to talk about WP as they don't have a route to residency.

[Wd40]

One thing that has definitely changed in the last 14 years I have been here is the image of Global Indians has jumped by leaps and bounds. I remember back in 2009, there was only Vikram Pandit who was made CEO of Citibank and he didn't do well. There was a negative remark also made here in this forum, about him.

India has developed a lot and now salary wise it is easier to find a job in India and Singapore isn't as attractive as before for people to even come on EP here. So I believe the desperation of Indians to get PR should have reduced. Except for people who are already here from a long time and are used to this place.

Hmmm the data suggests that the number of Indians who come here is even greater than before.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ ... favourable

And that's just the EPs. Those numbers to be supplemented by S pass holders, which would predominantly from non IT industries.

And of course, no need to talk about WP as they don't have a route to residency.

This is using 2005 as benchmark, and includes all new arrivals since then, which means pretty much the entire 80% of the IT/banking crowd here.

But let's see in the next 15 years, I would imagine the proportion is going to shrink.or remain the same.