Job hunting - is PLOC categorised as EP or PR?

[dynoto]

hi guys, asking a question for my wife, she just got her PLOC few weeks back and currently job hunting.

but the problem is that many of those job portals ask to indicate the type of pass, usually the choices are either
Singaporean, PR, Employment Pass, and Work Permit.

my question is that how should i indicate that my wife is under PLOC, should i categorize her as a PR? or should i put EP as PLOC is counted under the quota?

because i am concerned that she would be excluded from employer shortlist due to MOM quota issues.

thank you for your assistance.

[MOCHS]

The correct answer is “None of the above”.

Unfortunately, a lot of local companies are not aware what PLOC is. You have to educate them the old school way by listing that you have PLOC in your CV/resume, explaining what it is, and hopefully they read it.

When my husband had LTVP & PLOC, he had luck getting jobs via JobStreet instead of company portals.

[smoulder]

The correct answer is “None of the above”.

Unfortunately, a lot of local companies are not aware what PLOC is. You have to educate them the old school way by listing that you have PLOC in your CV/resume, explaining what it is, and hopefully they read it.

When my husband had LTVP & PLOC, he had luck getting jobs via JobStreet instead of company portals.

I think LinkedIn listings would be a good idea too.

[MOCHS]

LinkedIn can be hit or miss. The HR personnel of various companies on that site are also clueless on PLOC too. Hubby was approached by such HR personnel once on LinkedIn when he was on LTVP but he eventually got ghosted.

The most common positions that accept LTVP-PLOC are retail/beauty staff.

There are some rare postings that aren’t related to service industry on LinkedIn that do accept LTVP-PLOC though. Doesn’t always happen but I’ve seen them.

[smoulder]

LinkedIn can be hit or miss. The HR personnel of various companies on that site are also clueless on PLOC too. Hubby was approached by such HR personnel once on LinkedIn when he was on LTVP but he eventually got ghosted.

The most common positions that accept LTVP-PLOC are retail/beauty staff.

There are some rare postings that aren’t related to service industry on LinkedIn that do accept LTVP-PLOC though. Doesn’t always happen but I’ve seen them.

Right. I meant it as a general comment. Not specifically about whether the companies there know about PLOC.

What industries were you looking for on LinkedIn?

The only company I ever asked about a PLOC was my previous employer, a big IT hardware company. Most or all of their job listings are on LinkedIn. My question was more about whether to get off EP and on a PLOC, which the HR last advised against... But that is probably a story for another thread.

[dynoto]

The correct answer is “None of the above”.

Unfortunately, a lot of local companies are not aware what PLOC is. You have to educate them the old school way by listing that you have PLOC in your CV/resume, explaining what it is, and hopefully they read it.

When my husband had LTVP & PLOC, he had luck getting jobs via JobStreet instead of company portals.

thanks, i reckon PLOC/LOC pass holders are such minority that most HRs have no idea.
but when it comes to MOM quota are LOC/PLOC holders part of it? or they're treated more like a SC/PR ?

[MOCHS]

Depends if the LTVP is issued by ICA or MOM. Both have different criteria.

PLOC is only for LTVP issued by ICA and “No foreign worker levy or quota required.”

PLOC holders are still treated as foreigners, not SC/PR because they don’t have SC/PR at all and no CPF contribution.

Are you trying to “cheat” the company job portal or something? You want to cheat it, you can try lor but we have already warned you and given you alternative job sites.

[dynoto]

Depends if the LTVP is issued by ICA or MOM. Both have different criteria.

PLOC is only for LTVP issued by ICA and “No foreign worker levy or quota required.”

PLOC holders are still treated as foreigners, not SC/PR because they don’t have SC/PR at all and no CPF contribution.

Are you trying to “cheat” the company job portal or something? You want to cheat it, you can try lor but we have already warned you and given you alternative job sites.

ah cool, thanks for the info ... my wife is currently on PLOC actually so she can work immediately, that puts her on a difficult spot.
not that i'm trying to cheat the portal, its just whether there will be a loss of job opportunities in an example scenario which a company who are shortlisting job applications decide to filter her out due to her its-complicated status.

e.g company HR looks at her profile, thinking its worth to proceed for interview ... but looking at their maxed-out quota, then decides to skip.

i think it would be easier if i explain that she is a PR but without a PR benefits? (e.g CPF/etc)

[jwoods1864]

Depends if the LTVP is issued by ICA or MOM. Both have different criteria.

PLOC is only for LTVP issued by ICA and “No foreign worker levy or quota required.”

PLOC holders are still treated as foreigners, not SC/PR because they don’t have SC/PR at all and no CPF contribution.

Are you trying to “cheat” the company job portal or something? You want to cheat it, you can try lor but we have already warned you and given you alternative job sites.

ah cool, thanks for the info ... my wife is currently on PLOC actually so she can work immediately, that puts her on a difficult spot.
not that i'm trying to cheat the portal, its just whether there will be a loss of job opportunities in an example scenario which a company who are shortlisting job applications decide to filter her out due to her its-complicated status.

e.g company HR looks at her profile, thinking its worth to proceed for interview ... but looking at their maxed-out quota, then decides to skip.

i think it would be easier if i explain that she is a PR but without a PR benefits? (e.g CPF/etc)

Yeah if there isn’t an option, I would personally select PR and then explain at the earliest possibility.
She has the right to work so it’s more attractive than EP for the employer and doesn’t count against quota.
Tho unless I am mistaken it doesn’t count towards local workforce sort of quota either if ya get me. I will probably be in a similar position within the next few months.


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[MOCHS]

Need our resident moderator, sms, to chime in as he used to work as HR.

LTVP =/= PR even though it says “long term” in the pass. Usually LTVP holders don’t really work since their sponsor has shown they can financially support them in the first place…

Do take note PLOC has restricted occupations too that needs the employer to apply for LOC.

IMO, AI will most likely be screening through the CVs anyway and even if it gets read by a human, it either gets tossed out OR you encounter a HR personnel willing to do their homework… which might be a slim chance.

[jwoods1864]

Need our resident moderator, sms, to chime in as he used to work as HR.

LTVP =/= PR even though it says “long term” in the pass. Usually LTVP holders don’t really work since their sponsor has shown they can financially support them in the first place…

Do take note PLOC has restricted occupations too that needs the employer to apply for LOC.

IMO, AI will most likely be screening through the CVs anyway and even if it gets read by a human, it either gets tossed out OR you encounter a HR personnel willing to do their homework… which might be a slim chance.

I think with EPs becoming increasingly hard to get, especially in first instance, more people will opt or view LTVP with PLOC as a good alternative (if they are in a position to get one). The ‘must have the right to reside’ lingo really kicks those trying to get an EP in the gonads. Well, in sone cases anyway.


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[MOCHS]

Those that know about LTVP-PLOC do love these holders because no levy/quota/CPF. But there are some crap companies that try to lowball these holders and it’s frustrating… A lot of these holders tend to work in the service industry and it gives this misconception to other HR personnel that LTVP is “cheap” labour.

[nelyanne]

Depends if the LTVP is issued by ICA or MOM. Both have different criteria.

PLOC is only for LTVP issued by ICA and “No foreign worker levy or quota required.”

PLOC holders are still treated as foreigners, not SC/PR because they don’t have SC/PR at all and no CPF contribution.

Are you trying to “cheat” the company job portal or something? You want to cheat it, you can try lor but we have already warned you and given you alternative job sites.

ah cool, thanks for the info ... my wife is currently on PLOC actually so she can work immediately, that puts her on a difficult spot.
not that i'm trying to cheat the portal, its just whether there will be a loss of job opportunities in an example scenario which a company who are shortlisting job applications decide to filter her out due to her its-complicated status.

e.g company HR looks at her profile, thinking its worth to proceed for interview ... but looking at their maxed-out quota, then decides to skip.

i think it would be easier if i explain that she is a PR but without a PR benefits? (e.g CPF/etc)

If you check this quota calculator, Local Employees says "SC or PR" so I don't think this includes PLOC:
https://www.mom.gov.sg/passes-and-permi ... rker-quota

For EP, there is no such thing as an official quota, only different theories...

[smoulder]

Those that know about LTVP-PLOC do love these holders because no levy/quota/CPF. But there are some crap companies that try to lowball these holders and it’s frustrating… A lot of these holders tend to work in the service industry and it gives this misconception to other HR personnel that LTVP is “cheap” labour.

This was exactly the reason why my former employer's HR advised against PLOC.

[smoulder]

Depends if the LTVP is issued by ICA or MOM. Both have different criteria.

PLOC is only for LTVP issued by ICA and “No foreign worker levy or quota required.”

PLOC holders are still treated as foreigners, not SC/PR because they don’t have SC/PR at all and no CPF contribution.

Are you trying to “cheat” the company job portal or something? You want to cheat it, you can try lor but we have already warned you and given you alternative job sites.

ah cool, thanks for the info ... my wife is currently on PLOC actually so she can work immediately, that puts her on a difficult spot.
not that i'm trying to cheat the portal, its just whether there will be a loss of job opportunities in an example scenario which a company who are shortlisting job applications decide to filter her out due to her its-complicated status.

e.g company HR looks at her profile, thinking its worth to proceed for interview ... but looking at their maxed-out quota, then decides to skip.

i think it would be easier if i explain that she is a PR but without a PR benefits? (e.g CPF/etc)

If you check this quota calculator, Local Employees says "SC or PR" so I don't think this includes PLOC:
https://www.mom.gov.sg/passes-and-permi ... rker-quota

For EP, there is no such thing as an official quota, only different theories...

1. I recall reading (possibly in one of the government websites) that PLOC is not counted against the EP count of the company. However, there is a difference between that and a PR or citizen, most notably that there is no CPF.

2. Correct, no "quota". However quota is a word that is used loosely here to indicate that a company cannot hire 100 percent foreigners without running into approval issues. I'm guessing that there are guidelines governing how many EPs are allowed as a percentage of the total headcount of the company, but a certain amount of discretion is involved when they receive new applications for EPs. There probably isn't an exact number.