Singapore Citizenship Rejected

[Lisafuller]

If those NSmen and those opp politician know that some nationality PR no need to do NS.
They sure will make hell of noise. LOL

I will not be surprise if mothership to pick up this thread.

It is a very very small percentage and it is for a reason that the government has made this decision. So, surely not an issue.

FYI, this is not a special privilege given to them.

To some, it is a special privilege.
no need to do 2 yrs NS.

NS allowance $680 VS full time pay VS 2 yrs early grad from U

Honestly, I'm not sure why some people hate on NS. Yes, it's two years, but all the boys I've spoken to have served have come out with great friends, the sense of camaraderie is palpable - it's excellent for networking and you come out with countless life skills.

[Lisafuller]

If those NSmen and those opp politician know that some nationality PR no need to do NS.
They sure will make hell of noise. LOL

I will not be surprise if mothership to pick up this thread.

Just to clear it up, when I was 18 (and I still hadn't been called up for NS), i started getting worried. I called up Mindef/ICA numerous times but never got a definitive answer until one day an officer at MINDEF said he'll check the system for me, came back 3 mins later and told me I am exempted. I asked why, and he said "it's confidential". End of story.

Me knowing the reason that I didn't have to do NS because of national security concerns is something I learnt only from Mad Scientist about 10 years ago (I'm not sure if he's even active on this forum but I do know he knows a lot about the inner workings of ICA than most people. SMS can correct me if I'm wrong).

Also personally, I was actually looking forward to NS. Think of it from my POV, all my male friends going off to NS while I have to go uni. and then meeting them up every weekend and feeling left out because all they ever spoke about was NS. Also, if I had actually been called up for NS I am pretty sure I'd have it a lot easier getting citizenship. So, am I really lucky that I got exempted from NS?

Excellent point, NS only has a bad rep among foreigners who don't see its merit. You don't get this sentiment from locals.

[Lisafuller]

Once NS is complete, chance of getting Citizenship is >90% unless something drastic disrupts the application.

I'm not sure about percentage, but I think it is one of the best ways to boost your odds. For the two years that you give to the country, the least they can do is give you something in return.

[Lisafuller]

Once NS is complete, chance of getting Citizenship is >90% unless something drastic disrupts the application.

One surefire way to stuff it up is to be a hardhead or troublemaker during NS. You can ruin your whole life if you are a screw-up while there. Or be like my Son-in-Law who was a PR when he did his NS (Both of his parents are still PR's like me (all of us are PR's over a quarter of a century). He was offered OCS (Officer Candidate School) while doing his BMT and he grabbed it and ended up coming out of OCS with his bars and SGC. He's currently has 10 more years of reservist to do (He's just turned 40 now).

Speaking of this, one of my friends had a son who's currently serving. He was assigned PES C or E, can't remember, and works a very crappy desk job. He had a run-in with one of his sergeants recently and ended up being put on house arrest for a week while they figured out what to do with him. Now, they are talking about dismissing him from the army all together, what do you think the implications of this might be?

[mystic_river]

If those NSmen and those opp politician know that some nationality PR no need to do NS.
They sure will make hell of noise. LOL

I will not be surprise if mothership to pick up this thread.

LOL, you do know mothership is owned by the government, right?

What? No it’s not. Just because George Yeo was once its advisor doesn’t mean it’s owned by the government.

Just because media in general is heavily controlled by the government here in SG doesn’t mean it’s owned by the government

[MOCHS]

My brother studied journalism and says Mothership is utter rubbish and frequently known as Mothersh!t among his circle.

[pingfaninsg]

Have you tried doing lots of social services and getting yourself into the voluntary work?
You need a PBM or BBM to give you some recommendation, as how much voluntary work you have done in singapore.

[Lisafuller]

If those NSmen and those opp politician know that some nationality PR no need to do NS.
They sure will make hell of noise. LOL

I will not be surprise if mothership to pick up this thread.

LOL, you do know mothership is owned by the government, right?

What? No it’s not. Just because George Yeo was once its advisor doesn’t mean it’s owned by the government.

Just because media in general is heavily controlled by the government here in SG doesn’t mean it’s owned by the government

I've always heard it was funded and founded by the government. Just googled and apparently it was founded by ex foreign minister George Yep. So I guess I was wrong, but either way it's known to be rubbish, and incredibly biased.

[Lisafuller]

My brother studied journalism and says Mothership is utter rubbish and frequently known as Mothersh!t among his circle.

Yup, this is true. When my daughter was applying for journalism internships, she was told to steer clear from mothership, because the work environment is toxic. They (and their work) are not respected in the industry.

[midnight999]

Have you tried doing lots of social services and getting yourself into the voluntary work?
You need a PBM or BBM to give you some recommendation, as how much voluntary work you have done in singapore.

No I haven't

I think I should start doing social services and get myself involved into voluntary work.

What is a PBM and what is a BBM?

I haven't really done any voluntary work in Singapore tbh. When I worked at my previous company who had a Volunteering day I took part in that where I was helping at a charity to prepare soups and meals to the elderly, the disabled, low income families, children from single parent families or otherwise poverty stricken families, and migrant workers in Singapore. Other than that I haven't really done any other voluntary work.

[MOCHS]

Volunteering does absolutely NOTHING. It has been abused to death by a certain nationality in the past. Many of them stop volunteering after they get PR/SC so ICA has stopped caring about volunteer contributions. Only volunteer because you WANT to, not because you want to get PR/SC.

Same with testimonials, blood donation, investing into stocks/bonds, property/car/insurance, etc. It only benefits yourself, not the country.

Honestly, it might have been easier if you studied in local schools and married a local or PR instead of going overseas.

[nelyanne]

The fact that you attended an International School in Singapore and studied abroad probably won't work in your favour.

Maybe getting married and having kids would increase your chances. Singapore prefers families.

I don't think attending international school is necessarily a red flag, as there are many reasons why an Expat may choose the international route that has nothing to do with intention to stay in SG.

I can think of 4 possible reasons why expats are choosing International Schools:

A) a relatively small cost difference between a local school for the foreigner VS international school (N/A, author of the thread was a PR)
B) low quota for foreigners (N/A, same as above)
C) preparing the kid for further education/work/life abroad
D) thinking that the local schools are worse than international schools

A) & B) are not so relevant to PRs, so C) & D) remain.
C) is closely related to an intention to move away from Singapore, D) - not so strictly. But on the contrary, choosing a local school as the best possible choice for a kid is somehow a sign of accepting the Singaporean education system. So might be seen as a step towards integration. Of course, that's just my guess.

[singaporeflyer]

The fact that you attended an International School in Singapore and studied abroad probably won't work in your favour.

Maybe getting married and having kids would increase your chances. Singapore prefers families.

I don't think attending international school is necessarily a red flag, as there are many reasons why an Expat may choose the international route that has nothing to do with intention to stay in SG.

I can think of 4 possible reasons why expats are choosing International Schools:

A) a relatively small cost difference between a local school for the foreigner VS international school (N/A, author of the thread was a PR)
B) low quota for foreigners (N/A, same as above)
C) preparing the kid for further education/work/life abroad
D) thinking that the local schools are worse than international schools

A) & B) are not so relevant to PRs, so C) & D) remain.
C) is closely related to an intention to move away from Singapore, D) - not so strictly. But on the contrary, choosing a local school as the best possible choice for a kid is somehow a sign of accepting the Singaporean education system. So might be seen as a step towards integration. Of course, that's just my guess.

c) is one of the main reasons ICA is not to give long term residency status. If they move away why give PR or SC to them?

[Lisafuller]

Have you tried doing lots of social services and getting yourself into the voluntary work?
You need a PBM or BBM to give you some recommendation, as how much voluntary work you have done in singapore.

Volunteer work does very little for an application, unless you've made some extraordinary contribution they will pretty much disregard it.

[Lisafuller]

Have you tried doing lots of social services and getting yourself into the voluntary work?
You need a PBM or BBM to give you some recommendation, as how much voluntary work you have done in singapore.

No I haven't

I think I should start doing social services and get myself involved into voluntary work.

What is a PBM and what is a BBM?

I haven't really done any voluntary work in Singapore tbh. When I worked at my previous company who had a Volunteering day I took part in that where I was helping at a charity to prepare soups and meals to the elderly, the disabled, low income families, children from single parent families or otherwise poverty stricken families, and migrant workers in Singapore. Other than that I haven't really done any other voluntary work.

Don't waste your time. Also, I think it would be pretty messed up to serve with the intention of using it to boost your application chances.