Singapore Citizenship Rejected

[singaporeflyer]

If those NSmen and those opp politician know that some nationality PR no need to do NS.
They sure will make hell of noise. LOL

I will not be surprise if mothership to pick up this thread.

It is a very very small percentage and it is for a reason that the government has made this decision. So, surely not an issue.

FYI, this is not a special privilege given to them.

[therat]

If those NSmen and those opp politician know that some nationality PR no need to do NS.
They sure will make hell of noise. LOL

I will not be surprise if mothership to pick up this thread.

Before mothership, the EDMW guys are going to go full retard.

hahaha.. agree.

[therat]

If those NSmen and those opp politician know that some nationality PR no need to do NS.
They sure will make hell of noise. LOL

I will not be surprise if mothership to pick up this thread.

It is a very very small percentage and it is for a reason that the government has made this decision. So, surely not an issue.

FYI, this is not a special privilege given to them.

To some, it is a special privilege.
no need to do 2 yrs NS.

NS allowance $680 VS full time pay VS 2 yrs early grad from U

[singaporeflyer]

If those NSmen and those opp politician know that some nationality PR no need to do NS.
They sure will make hell of noise. LOL

I will not be surprise if mothership to pick up this thread.

It is a very very small percentage and it is for a reason that the government has made this decision. So, surely not an issue.

FYI, this is not a special privilege given to them.

To some, it is a special privilege.
no need to do 2 yrs NS.

NS allowance $680 VS full time pay VS 2 yrs early grad from U

There is a reason SG Gov has done this and I am not going to debate on that. I am sure it is for a valid reason.

[midnight999]

I submitted my application for Singapore citizenship in January 2021 and got a rejection letter and email in March 2022

My Profile:
30 years old / Male
Pakistani, single and unmarried
Applied for myself only
General Manager in an Oil & Gas company with operations in Singapore and Pakistan and the US

My salary at the time of application: $5,000 a month ($60,000 annually)

I was born in Singapore and have lived here until I was 16. Then I did A Levels and university in the UK and then worked at my family's company (which is an MNC) for a year and then went to the UK for my Masters degree and then came back to Singapore and worked at Telstra (Australian telecommunications company) in Singapore as part of its Graduate Program for 2 years and then I went back to work in my family's company where I am currently working.

When I emailed them about my rejection they said the following

"We regret to advise we are unable to share more information.
 
We wish to highlight that each Singapore Citizenship (SC) application is carefully considered and reviewed before a decision is made. When assessing applications, we take into account factors such as the applicant's present economic contributions in Singapore, ability to integrate into the society and commitment to sink roots. If there would be any changes in any of these circumstances for the better, the applicant would have then an improved probability of a positive result."

At the time of applying my salary was $5,000 a month but now my salary is $10,300 a month.

Do you think I have a chance of being successful to apply in future?

How can I have a successful application in the future and have my citizenship application approved?

What exactly can I do to show my present economic contributions to Singapore, integrate into society and commit to sink roots?

Does anyone have any idea of suggestions at all about what exactly can I do to show my present economic contributions to Singapore, integrate into society and commit to sink roots?

Showing how you've integrated into society is especially tough as it's intangible. This is where contributions like serving NS would really help you, but as you've mentioned here, you deliberately avoided it, which I guess turned out fine since you were never called to serve. Other than this though, it's pretty difficult to show your commitment/contribution to SG.

How about showing my present economic contributions to Singapore and commitment to sink roots, what suggestions do you have regarding how I can show these?

[singaporeflyer]

Does anyone have any idea of suggestions at all about what exactly can I do to show my present economic contributions to Singapore, integrate into society and commit to sink roots?

Showing how you've integrated into society is especially tough as it's intangible. This is where contributions like serving NS would really help you, but as you've mentioned here, you deliberately avoided it, which I guess turned out fine since you were never called to serve. Other than this though, it's pretty difficult to show your commitment/contribution to SG.

How about showing my present economic contributions to Singapore and commitment to sink roots, what suggestions do you have regarding how I can show these?

These can't be advised really. You are trying to tailor the application and it won't happen.

Economic contributions - Pay more tax, start a company, hire local people as staff, etc
Sink Roots - To prove this is not going to be easy. Indirect way - stay here longer without breaks of working overseas, etc. Marry a local - Not suggesting this just for SC.

[mystic_river]

If those NSmen and those opp politician know that some nationality PR no need to do NS.
They sure will make hell of noise. LOL

I will not be surprise if mothership to pick up this thread.

Just to clear it up, when I was 18 (and I still hadn't been called up for NS), i started getting worried. I called up Mindef/ICA numerous times but never got a definitive answer until one day an officer at MINDEF said he'll check the system for me, came back 3 mins later and told me I am exempted. I asked why, and he said "it's confidential". End of story.

Me knowing the reason that I didn't have to do NS because of national security concerns is something I learnt only from Mad Scientist about 10 years ago (I'm not sure if he's even active on this forum but I do know he knows a lot about the inner workings of ICA than most people. SMS can correct me if I'm wrong).

Also personally, I was actually looking forward to NS. Think of it from my POV, all my male friends going off to NS while I have to go uni. and then meeting them up every weekend and feeling left out because all they ever spoke about was NS. Also, if I had actually been called up for NS I am pretty sure I'd have it a lot easier getting citizenship. So, am I really lucky that I got exempted from NS?

[singaporeflyer]

Once NS is complete, chance of getting Citizenship is >90% unless something drastic disrupts the application.

[mystic_river]

Does anyone have any idea of suggestions at all about what exactly can I do to show my present economic contributions to Singapore, integrate into society and commit to sink roots?

Showing how you've integrated into society is especially tough as it's intangible. This is where contributions like serving NS would really help you, but as you've mentioned here, you deliberately avoided it, which I guess turned out fine since you were never called to serve. Other than this though, it's pretty difficult to show your commitment/contribution to SG.

How about showing my present economic contributions to Singapore and commitment to sink roots, what suggestions do you have regarding how I can show these?

What SF said, also all you can do is keep trying. It's demoralizing to get rejected (trust me, I know) but there are people here on this board who have applied 6-8 times before getting their PR accepted (granted, that's for PR and not SC. Being on this board I haven't come across many posters who applied SC multiple times until they got approval, and those who did get approved had significant changes to their profile like getting married to another PR or SC etc.)

[sundaymorningstaple]

Once NS is complete, chance of getting Citizenship is >90% unless something drastic disrupts the application.

One surefire way to stuff it up is to be a hardhead or troublemaker during NS. You can ruin your whole life if you are a screw-up while there. Or be like my Son-in-Law who was a PR when he did his NS (Both of his parents are still PR's like me (all of us are PR's over a quarter of a century). He was offered OCS (Officer Candidate School) while doing his BMT and he grabbed it and ended up coming out of OCS with his bars and SGC. He's currently has 10 more years of reservist to do (He's just turned 40 now).

[Lisafuller]

What do you mean national security reasons? Doesn't every citizen and PR have to serve?

There could be sensitive & classified military secrets that they don’t want leaking out to other countries, potentially jeopardising SG’s defence. PRs of certain nationalities are probably deemed high risk compared to others.

Malays are supposedly not posted to “highest” ranks either and I recall their explanation was if we get into a conflict with our geographically close neighbours, the military does not want them to “be conflicted” having to go on offence against their own “kin”.

If a citizen has Pes F medical status, they don’t serve either.

I'm aware of the PES F exemption. I heard that Malays generally serve in the police force as opposed to infantry/navy/Air Force, but I don't recall the exact reason. If anything, I'd think that the most secrets would be in the spf.

[Lisafuller]

In all fairness, I don’t think ICA knew or had any idea at that point that he’s studying in a boarding school because he didn’t wanna do NS. I reckon he just got lucky that he didn’t get called up for NS because of his nationality.

So, based on the above, to ICA there aren’t really any red flags other than the fact that he did his A Levels, uni and post grad overseas (which to be fair isn’t uncommon) and I presume that’s why he has no issues renewing his PR.

It's not being called up to serve based on nationality really a thing? What's the explanation for this? And wouldn't this be considered discriminatory?

If nationality is an issue. In the first place, should not give them PR.
PR is a stepping stone to citizen.
Dont call for NS bcoz of nationality.
Dont make sense at all.

Well, they make the decisions, and I don't expect them to explain themselves.

[Lisafuller]

If those NSmen and those opp politician know that some nationality PR no need to do NS.
They sure will make hell of noise. LOL

I will not be surprise if mothership to pick up this thread.

LOL, you do know mothership is owned by the government, right?

[Lisafuller]

What do you mean national security reasons? Doesn't every citizen and PR have to serve?

There could be sensitive & classified military secrets that they don’t want leaking out to other countries, potentially jeopardising SG’s defence. PRs of certain nationalities are probably deemed high risk compared to others.

Malays are supposedly not posted to “highest” ranks either and I recall their explanation was if we get into a conflict with our geographically close neighbours, the military does not want them to “be conflicted” having to go on offence against their own “kin”.

If a citizen has Pes F medical status, they don’t serve either.

NS does not mean must be in army.
They can serve in Civil defence.

If the point here is that the government wants to avoid exposing national secrets, it wouldn't matter what branch they serve in. Arguably, they would avoid having them serve in civil defense as they would probably be exposed to more intel than in the army.

[Lisafuller]

If those NSmen and those opp politician know that some nationality PR no need to do NS.
They sure will make hell of noise. LOL

I will not be surprise if mothership to pick up this thread.

It is a very very small percentage and it is for a reason that the government has made this decision. So, surely not an issue.

FYI, this is not a special privilege given to them.

If anything, it's the opposite of privilege.