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Singapore Citizenship Rejected

Post by midnight999 » Sat, 22 Oct 2022 11:11 pm

I submitted my application for Singapore citizenship in January 2021 and got a rejection letter and email in March 2022

My Profile:
30 years old / Male
Pakistani, single and unmarried
Applied for myself only
General Manager in an Oil & Gas company with operations in Singapore and Pakistan and the US

My salary at the time of application: $5,000 a month ($60,000 annually)

I was born in Singapore and have lived here until I was 16. Then I did A Levels and university in the UK and then worked at my family's company (which is an MNC) for a year and then went to the UK for my Masters degree and then came back to Singapore and worked at Telstra (Australian telecommunications company) in Singapore as part of its Graduate Program for 2 years and then I went back to work in my family's company where I am currently working.

When I emailed them about my rejection they said the following

"We regret to advise we are unable to share more information.
 
We wish to highlight that each Singapore Citizenship (SC) application is carefully considered and reviewed before a decision is made. When assessing applications, we take into account factors such as the applicant's present economic contributions in Singapore, ability to integrate into the society and commitment to sink roots. If there would be any changes in any of these circumstances for the better, the applicant would have then an improved probability of a positive result."

At the time of applying my salary was $5,000 a month but now my salary is $10,300 a month.

Do you think I have a chance of being successful to apply in future?

How can I have a successful application in the future and have my citizenship application approved?

What exactly can I do to show my present economic contributions to Singapore, integrate into society and commit to sink roots?

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Re: Singapore Citizenship Rejected

Post by singaporeflyer » Sun, 23 Oct 2022 3:05 am

midnight999 wrote:
Sat, 22 Oct 2022 11:11 pm
I submitted my application for Singapore citizenship in January 2021 and got a rejection letter and email in March 2022

My Profile:
30 years old / Male
Pakistani, single and unmarried
Applied for myself only
General Manager in an Oil & Gas company with operations in Singapore and Pakistan and the US

My salary at the time of application: $5,000 a month ($60,000 annually)

I was born in Singapore and have lived here until I was 16. Then I did A Levels and university in the UK and then worked at my family's company (which is an MNC) for a year and then went to the UK for my Masters degree and then came back to Singapore and worked at Telstra (Australian telecommunications company) in Singapore as part of its Graduate Program for 2 years and then I went back to work in my family's company where I am currently working.

When I emailed them about my rejection they said the following

"We regret to advise we are unable to share more information.
 
We wish to highlight that each Singapore Citizenship (SC) application is carefully considered and reviewed before a decision is made. When assessing applications, we take into account factors such as the applicant's present economic contributions in Singapore, ability to integrate into the society and commitment to sink roots. If there would be any changes in any of these circumstances for the better, the applicant would have then an improved probability of a positive result."

At the time of applying my salary was $5,000 a month but now my salary is $10,300 a month.

Do you think I have a chance of being successful to apply in future?

How can I have a successful application in the future and have my citizenship application approved?

What exactly can I do to show my present economic contributions to Singapore, integrate into society and commit to sink roots?
You can try after 1-2 years, but salary alone is the not the only factor. Your back and forth between multiple times between SG and other country will be a significant factor too.

When did you get your PR and how? Were you first generation PR or later? Did you serve NS?

I have a feeling that you are lucky being a PR already.

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Re: Singapore Citizenship Rejected

Post by mystic_river » Sun, 23 Oct 2022 9:57 am

I think he went to UK twice (which was to study each time) so I don’t think this would count against him much?

But yes, interested to hear when/how he became PR and whether he did NS.

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Re: Singapore Citizenship Rejected

Post by midnight999 » Sun, 23 Oct 2022 10:57 am

singaporeflyer wrote:
Sun, 23 Oct 2022 3:05 am
midnight999 wrote:
Sat, 22 Oct 2022 11:11 pm
I submitted my application for Singapore citizenship in January 2021 and got a rejection letter and email in March 2022

My Profile:
30 years old / Male
Pakistani, single and unmarried
Applied for myself only
General Manager in an Oil & Gas company with operations in Singapore and Pakistan and the US

My salary at the time of application: $5,000 a month ($60,000 annually)

I was born in Singapore and have lived here until I was 16. Then I did A Levels and university in the UK and then worked at my family's company (which is an MNC) for a year and then went to the UK for my Masters degree and then came back to Singapore and worked at Telstra (Australian telecommunications company) in Singapore as part of its Graduate Program for 2 years and then I went back to work in my family's company where I am currently working.

When I emailed them about my rejection they said the following

"We regret to advise we are unable to share more information.
 
We wish to highlight that each Singapore Citizenship (SC) application is carefully considered and reviewed before a decision is made. When assessing applications, we take into account factors such as the applicant's present economic contributions in Singapore, ability to integrate into the society and commitment to sink roots. If there would be any changes in any of these circumstances for the better, the applicant would have then an improved probability of a positive result."

At the time of applying my salary was $5,000 a month but now my salary is $10,300 a month.

Do you think I have a chance of being successful to apply in future?

How can I have a successful application in the future and have my citizenship application approved?

What exactly can I do to show my present economic contributions to Singapore, integrate into society and commit to sink roots?
You can try after 1-2 years, but salary alone is the not the only factor. Your back and forth between multiple times between SG and other country will be a significant factor too.

When did you get your PR and how? Were you first generation PR or later? Did you serve NS?

I have a feeling that you are lucky being a PR already.
I got my PR like 28 or 29 years ago since I was 1 or 2 years old. Tbh I don’t know exactly when I got it but I have had it for the vast majority of my life. I got it through my parents as they are PRs and had been PRs before I was born.

I didn’t serve NS as I was never called up to serve. I actually left to a boarding school in the UK to do my A Levels when I was 16 because I did not want to be in Singapore if they were to call me up for NS but they never called me up.

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Re: Singapore Citizenship Rejected

Post by singaporeflyer » Sun, 23 Oct 2022 11:28 am

midnight999 wrote:
Sun, 23 Oct 2022 10:57 am
singaporeflyer wrote:
Sun, 23 Oct 2022 3:05 am
midnight999 wrote:
Sat, 22 Oct 2022 11:11 pm
I submitted my application for Singapore citizenship in January 2021 and got a rejection letter and email in March 2022

My Profile:
30 years old / Male
Pakistani, single and unmarried
Applied for myself only
General Manager in an Oil & Gas company with operations in Singapore and Pakistan and the US

My salary at the time of application: $5,000 a month ($60,000 annually)

I was born in Singapore and have lived here until I was 16. Then I did A Levels and university in the UK and then worked at my family's company (which is an MNC) for a year and then went to the UK for my Masters degree and then came back to Singapore and worked at Telstra (Australian telecommunications company) in Singapore as part of its Graduate Program for 2 years and then I went back to work in my family's company where I am currently working.

When I emailed them about my rejection they said the following

"We regret to advise we are unable to share more information.
 
We wish to highlight that each Singapore Citizenship (SC) application is carefully considered and reviewed before a decision is made. When assessing applications, we take into account factors such as the applicant's present economic contributions in Singapore, ability to integrate into the society and commitment to sink roots. If there would be any changes in any of these circumstances for the better, the applicant would have then an improved probability of a positive result."

At the time of applying my salary was $5,000 a month but now my salary is $10,300 a month.

Do you think I have a chance of being successful to apply in future?

How can I have a successful application in the future and have my citizenship application approved?

What exactly can I do to show my present economic contributions to Singapore, integrate into society and commit to sink roots?
You can try after 1-2 years, but salary alone is the not the only factor. Your back and forth between multiple times between SG and other country will be a significant factor too.

When did you get your PR and how? Were you first generation PR or later? Did you serve NS?

I have a feeling that you are lucky being a PR already.
I got my PR like 28 or 29 years ago since I was 1 or 2 years old. Tbh I don’t know exactly when I got it but I have had it for the vast majority of my life. I got it through my parents as they are PRs and had been PRs before I was born.

I didn’t serve NS as I was never called up to serve. I actually left to a boarding school in the UK to do my A Levels when I was 16 because I did not want to be in Singapore if they were to call me up for NS but they never called me up.
Doesn't look right. Something is missing.

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Re: Singapore Citizenship Rejected

Post by mystic_river » Sun, 23 Oct 2022 11:41 am

He’s the same case as I am. Didn’t get called up for NS because of his nationality.

OP, I’m a Pakistani PR too. Wasn’t called up for NS either. A veteran here (Mad Scientist) mentioned that some people of certain nationalities do not have to serve NS due to national security reasons.

But I would not consider that to be a blocker. I know of 2nd gen Pakistani PRs who were never called up for NS and still went on to become SG citizens.

Having said that, whether you ever actually get approved for SGC is another matter. I myself just got rejected a few months back even though I’ve been a PR since 2005 and spent a better part of my life in Singapore (studied in locals schools too). Will you or I ever get approved? I don’t know. But I’d make a plan B if you want to get rid of your Pakistani passport.

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Re: Singapore Citizenship Rejected

Post by midnight999 » Mon, 24 Oct 2022 12:21 am

singaporeflyer wrote:
Sun, 23 Oct 2022 11:28 am
midnight999 wrote:
Sun, 23 Oct 2022 10:57 am
singaporeflyer wrote:
Sun, 23 Oct 2022 3:05 am


You can try after 1-2 years, but salary alone is the not the only factor. Your back and forth between multiple times between SG and other country will be a significant factor too.

When did you get your PR and how? Were you first generation PR or later? Did you serve NS?

I have a feeling that you are lucky being a PR already.
I got my PR like 28 or 29 years ago since I was 1 or 2 years old. Tbh I don’t know exactly when I got it but I have had it for the vast majority of my life. I got it through my parents as they are PRs and had been PRs before I was born.

I didn’t serve NS as I was never called up to serve. I actually left to a boarding school in the UK to do my A Levels when I was 16 because I did not want to be in Singapore if they were to call me up for NS but they never called me up.
Doesn't look right. Something is missing.
What exactly does not look right?

What exactly do you think is missing?

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Re: Singapore Citizenship Rejected

Post by midnight999 » Mon, 24 Oct 2022 1:14 am

mystic_river wrote:
Sun, 23 Oct 2022 11:41 am
He’s the same case as I am. Didn’t get called up for NS because of his nationality.

OP, I’m a Pakistani PR too. Wasn’t called up for NS either. A veteran here (Mad Scientist) mentioned that some people of certain nationalities do not have to serve NS due to national security reasons.

But I would not consider that to be a blocker. I know of 2nd gen Pakistani PRs who were never called up for NS and still went on to become SG citizens.

Having said that, whether you ever actually get approved for SGC is another matter. I myself just got rejected a few months back even though I’ve been a PR since 2005 and spent a better part of my life in Singapore (studied in locals schools too). Will you or I ever get approved? I don’t know. But I’d make a plan B if you want to get rid of your Pakistani passport.
Do you mean that some people of certain nationalities who are Singapore PRs do not have to serve NS due to national security reasons?

I personally do not think that not doing NS should not be a blocker because they never called me up for NS in the first place.

I actually went to an International School in Singapore and not a local school but nevertheless did go to school here and did so for 13 years.

What plan B do you suggest if I want to get rid of my Pakistani passport because I really have not been able to think of or come up with any?

I really want SG citizenship because I intend to stay in Singapore in the long-term and do not want to return to Pakistan. It is also very convenient in terms of not needing a visa for most countries (has been classed as the world's best passport) compared to the Pakistani passport which needs a visa for almost everywhere. Plus, although I want to stay in Singapore for the long-term, if I was ever able to get a job outside of Singapore then I would be able to move back to Singapore whenever I want without having to worry about my PR and the likelihood of being able to renew my PR (due to living out of the country). As you can see there are so many freedoms, flexibilities and benefits of SG citizenship.

If you don't mind, would you be able to share your biodata at the time of submitting your SG citizenship application in terms of work industry and job, monthly and annual salary, when you moved to Singapore, whether or not you spent quite some time outside of the country since being a PR and if you were on student pass before PR etc?

I am asking because I am curious to know how similar or different your situation is to mine especially since we are both Pakistani PRs?

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Re: Singapore Citizenship Rejected

Post by midnight999 » Mon, 24 Oct 2022 1:17 am

midnight999 wrote:
Sat, 22 Oct 2022 11:11 pm
I submitted my application for Singapore citizenship in January 2021 and got a rejection letter and email in March 2022

My Profile:
30 years old / Male
Pakistani, single and unmarried
Applied for myself only
General Manager in an Oil & Gas company with operations in Singapore and Pakistan and the US

My salary at the time of application: $5,000 a month ($60,000 annually)

I was born in Singapore and have lived here until I was 16. Then I did A Levels and university in the UK and then worked at my family's company (which is an MNC) for a year and then went to the UK for my Masters degree and then came back to Singapore and worked at Telstra (Australian telecommunications company) in Singapore as part of its Graduate Program for 2 years and then I went back to work in my family's company where I am currently working.

When I emailed them about my rejection they said the following

"We regret to advise we are unable to share more information.
 
We wish to highlight that each Singapore Citizenship (SC) application is carefully considered and reviewed before a decision is made. When assessing applications, we take into account factors such as the applicant's present economic contributions in Singapore, ability to integrate into the society and commitment to sink roots. If there would be any changes in any of these circumstances for the better, the applicant would have then an improved probability of a positive result."

At the time of applying my salary was $5,000 a month but now my salary is $10,300 a month.

Do you think I have a chance of being successful to apply in future?

How can I have a successful application in the future and have my citizenship application approved?

What exactly can I do to show my present economic contributions to Singapore, integrate into society and commit to sink roots?
Does anyone have any idea of suggestions at all about what exactly can I do to show my present economic contributions to Singapore, integrate into society and commit to sink roots?

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Re: Singapore Citizenship Rejected

Post by singaporeflyer » Mon, 24 Oct 2022 1:22 am

midnight999 wrote:
Mon, 24 Oct 2022 1:14 am
mystic_river wrote:
Sun, 23 Oct 2022 11:41 am
He’s the same case as I am. Didn’t get called up for NS because of his nationality.

OP, I’m a Pakistani PR too. Wasn’t called up for NS either. A veteran here (Mad Scientist) mentioned that some people of certain nationalities do not have to serve NS due to national security reasons.

But I would not consider that to be a blocker. I know of 2nd gen Pakistani PRs who were never called up for NS and still went on to become SG citizens.

Having said that, whether you ever actually get approved for SGC is another matter. I myself just got rejected a few months back even though I’ve been a PR since 2005 and spent a better part of my life in Singapore (studied in locals schools too). Will you or I ever get approved? I don’t know. But I’d make a plan B if you want to get rid of your Pakistani passport.
Do you mean that some people of certain nationalities who are Singapore PRs do not have to serve NS due to national security reasons?

I personally do not think that not doing NS should not be a blocker because they never called me up for NS in the first place.

I actually went to an International School in Singapore and not a local school but nevertheless did go to school here and did so for 13 years.

What plan B do you suggest if I want to get rid of my Pakistani passport because I really have not been able to think of or come up with any?

I really want SG citizenship because I intend to stay in Singapore in the long-term and do not want to return to Pakistan. It is also very convenient in terms of not needing a visa for most countries (has been classed as the world's best passport) compared to the Pakistani passport which needs a visa for almost everywhere. Plus, although I want to stay in Singapore for the long-term, if I was ever able to get a job outside of Singapore then I would be able to move back to Singapore whenever I want without having to worry about my PR and the likelihood of being able to renew my PR (due to living out of the country). As you can see there are so many freedoms, flexibilities and benefits of SG citizenship.

If you don't mind, would you be able to share your biodata at the time of submitting your SG citizenship application in terms of work industry and job, monthly and annual salary, when you moved to Singapore, whether or not you spent quite some time outside of the country since being a PR and if you were on student pass before PR etc?

I am asking because I am curious to know how similar or different your situation is to mine especially since we are both Pakistani PRs?
Based on whatever you have said in this thread, I feel your chance is going to be low. Hope to be wrong.

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Re: Singapore Citizenship Rejected

Post by nelyanne » Mon, 24 Oct 2022 1:28 am

The fact that you attended an International School in Singapore and studied abroad probably won't work in your favour.

Maybe getting married and having kids would increase your chances. Singapore prefers families.

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Re: Singapore Citizenship Rejected

Post by singaporeflyer » Mon, 24 Oct 2022 1:29 am

midnight999 wrote:
Mon, 24 Oct 2022 1:14 am
mystic_river wrote:
Sun, 23 Oct 2022 11:41 am
He’s the same case as I am. Didn’t get called up for NS because of his nationality.

OP, I’m a Pakistani PR too. Wasn’t called up for NS either. A veteran here (Mad Scientist) mentioned that some people of certain nationalities do not have to serve NS due to national security reasons.

But I would not consider that to be a blocker. I know of 2nd gen Pakistani PRs who were never called up for NS and still went on to become SG citizens.

Having said that, whether you ever actually get approved for SGC is another matter. I myself just got rejected a few months back even though I’ve been a PR since 2005 and spent a better part of my life in Singapore (studied in locals schools too). Will you or I ever get approved? I don’t know. But I’d make a plan B if you want to get rid of your Pakistani passport.
Do you mean that some people of certain nationalities who are Singapore PRs do not have to serve NS due to national security reasons?

I personally do not think that not doing NS should not be a blocker because they never called me up for NS in the first place.

I actually went to an International School in Singapore and not a local school but nevertheless did go to school here and did so for 13 years.

What plan B do you suggest if I want to get rid of my Pakistani passport because I really have not been able to think of or come up with any?

I really want SG citizenship because I intend to stay in Singapore in the long-term and do not want to return to Pakistan. It is also very convenient in terms of not needing a visa for most countries (has been classed as the world's best passport) compared to the Pakistani passport which needs a visa for almost everywhere. Plus, although I want to stay in Singapore for the long-term, if I was ever able to get a job outside of Singapore then I would be able to move back to Singapore whenever I want without having to worry about my PR and the likelihood of being able to renew my PR (due to living out of the country). As you can see there are so many freedoms, flexibilities and benefits of SG citizenship.

If you don't mind, would you be able to share your biodata at the time of submitting your SG citizenship application in terms of work industry and job, monthly and annual salary, when you moved to Singapore, whether or not you spent quite some time outside of the country since being a PR and if you were on student pass before PR etc?

I am asking because I am curious to know how similar or different your situation is to mine especially since we are both Pakistani PRs?
Some of the questions you have asked regarding plan B, CV of another person, comment on NS which is only your view and not the government's view, international school won't make any difference, etc makes me feel you are little lost. Sorry

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Post by MOCHS » Mon, 24 Oct 2022 5:43 am

You went to International School for most of your life before going abroad “so you won’t be called up to serve NS”

From ICA’s POV, how does that count as integrating into society? You’re surrounded by mostly expats, not locals. It’s already a red flag.

Did your parents convert to citizenship after all these years? If they didn’t, again, it’s another red flag since it kind of indicates they want to settle elsewhere.

Maybe marrying a local Singaporean can improve your chances but only apply after 2 years of marriage or it will look like a marriage of convenience.

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Re: Singapore Citizenship Rejected

Post by singaporeflyer » Mon, 24 Oct 2022 6:56 am

MOCHS wrote:
Mon, 24 Oct 2022 5:43 am
You went to International School for most of your life before going abroad “so you won’t be called up to serve NS”

From ICA’s POV, how does that count as integrating into society? You’re surrounded by mostly expats, not locals. It’s already a red flag.

Did your parents convert to citizenship after all these years? If they didn’t, again, it’s another red flag since it kind of indicates they want to settle elsewhere.

Maybe marrying a local Singaporean can improve your chances but only apply after 2 years of marriage or it will look like a marriage of convenience.
I know a couple of families whose kids study in International Schools but still do their NS as usual. International school in Sg is not related to NS eligibility or call, if it was so many will go that route to avoid NS.

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Post by MOCHS » Mon, 24 Oct 2022 8:49 am

^ I know second gen kids who study in International Schools get called up to serve NS. Even Rice Media covered about this before.

The sentence I found very suspicious was “I actually left to a boarding school in the UK to do my A Levels when I was 16 because I did not want to be in Singapore if they were to call me up for NS”.

To me, ICA can probably see through that the individual want the benefits but not fulfil the obligations.

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