PR, Citizenship profile evaluation 2023

[Lisafuller]

I thought it (obtain Grant or not) when admission offers were made? As when you accept you need to confirm whether you are accepting with or without the Grant. But I am not close to this right now and don't know anyone that has recently taken it. As you allude to, I don't know how many people could make a fair assessment and decision without knowing whether they have it or not (given the cost differential).

Yup! My daughter has plenty of friends on TG at NUS/SMU/NTU - grant is offered at the same time the admission offer is issued, the large majority choose to take it, but a select few who can afford it and really don't want to work in Singapore forgo it.

SCs automatically receive the Tuition Grant and there is no bond, hence there is nothing for an SC to decide (the question is more whether you want PSC or some other scholarship that requires SCs to serve 4-6 years bond). PRs and ISs still need to apply for the Tuition Grant and serve the bond, hence some may decide to pay the unsubsidized rate.

I believe SCs are committed to a bond as well, that's what my daughter has told me as it is the reason why some of her friends chose to forgo it despite being citizens.

[singaporeflyer]

Yup! My daughter has plenty of friends on TG at NUS/SMU/NTU - grant is offered at the same time the admission offer is issued, the large majority choose to take it, but a select few who can afford it and really don't want to work in Singapore forgo it.

SCs automatically receive the Tuition Grant and there is no bond, hence there is nothing for an SC to decide (the question is more whether you want PSC or some other scholarship that requires SCs to serve 4-6 years bond). PRs and ISs still need to apply for the Tuition Grant and serve the bond, hence some may decide to pay the unsubsidized rate.

I believe SCs are committed to a bond as well, that's what my daughter has told me as it is the reason why some of her friends chose to forgo it despite being citizens.

No
https://tgonline.moe.gov.sg/tgis/normal ... nfo.action

Singapore Citizens will be automatically awarded a Tuition Grant without the need for application. There is no bond obligation required of Singapore Citizens. For all non-Singaporean students (including Singapore Permanent Residents), in exchange for the grant received under the Tuition Grant Scheme, they are required to apply for Tuition Grant (subject to MOE's approval) and sign a Tuition Grant Agreement in which they will be contractually obliged to work in a Singapore entity for three (3) years upon graduation.

[Lisafuller]

SCs automatically receive the Tuition Grant and there is no bond, hence there is nothing for an SC to decide (the question is more whether you want PSC or some other scholarship that requires SCs to serve 4-6 years bond). PRs and ISs still need to apply for the Tuition Grant and serve the bond, hence some may decide to pay the unsubsidized rate.

I believe SCs are committed to a bond as well, that's what my daughter has told me as it is the reason why some of her friends chose to forgo it despite being citizens.

No
https://tgonline.moe.gov.sg/tgis/normal ... nfo.action

Singapore Citizens will be automatically awarded a Tuition Grant without the need for application. There is no bond obligation required of Singapore Citizens. For all non-Singaporean students (including Singapore Permanent Residents), in exchange for the grant received under the Tuition Grant Scheme, they are required to apply for Tuition Grant (subject to MOE's approval) and sign a Tuition Grant Agreement in which they will be contractually obliged to work in a Singapore entity for three (3) years upon graduation.

That's odd - i'm assuming the same terms are offered to those with dual citizenship? One of my daughters closest friends is doing NUS law, but it's not on TG. She has both British and Singapore citizenship. If this is the case, can't imagine why she chose to forgo it.

[singaporeflyer]

I believe SCs are committed to a bond as well, that's what my daughter has told me as it is the reason why some of her friends chose to forgo it despite being citizens.

No
https://tgonline.moe.gov.sg/tgis/normal ... nfo.action

Singapore Citizens will be automatically awarded a Tuition Grant without the need for application. There is no bond obligation required of Singapore Citizens. For all non-Singaporean students (including Singapore Permanent Residents), in exchange for the grant received under the Tuition Grant Scheme, they are required to apply for Tuition Grant (subject to MOE's approval) and sign a Tuition Grant Agreement in which they will be contractually obliged to work in a Singapore entity for three (3) years upon graduation.

That's odd - i'm assuming the same terms are offered to those with dual citizenship? One of my daughters closest friends is doing NUS law, but it's not on TG. She has both British and Singapore citizenship. If this is the case, can't imagine why she chose to forgo it.

Because after 21 you choose 1 and if it is not Sg citizenship, you may need to payback the subsidy given or serve the bond.policies are framed for the majority. Dual Citizens till age 21 are very very less.

[Lisafuller]

No
https://tgonline.moe.gov.sg/tgis/normal ... nfo.action

Singapore Citizens will be automatically awarded a Tuition Grant without the need for application. There is no bond obligation required of Singapore Citizens. For all non-Singaporean students (including Singapore Permanent Residents), in exchange for the grant received under the Tuition Grant Scheme, they are required to apply for Tuition Grant (subject to MOE's approval) and sign a Tuition Grant Agreement in which they will be contractually obliged to work in a Singapore entity for three (3) years upon graduation.

That's odd - i'm assuming the same terms are offered to those with dual citizenship? One of my daughters closest friends is doing NUS law, but it's not on TG. She has both British and Singapore citizenship. If this is the case, can't imagine why she chose to forgo it.

Because after 18 you choose 1 and if it is not Sg citizenship, you may need to payback the subsidy given or serve the bond.policies are framed for the majority. Dual Citizens till a certain age are very very less.

Ahh, that explains it - the friend in question intends to return to the UK after UNI to work, so it makes sense why she hasn't made any decisions that would compromise that.

[yaxer981]

Dear group members,

I would like to seek your opinion on the outcome of our Singapore Citizenship application. Greatly appreciate if you could share your insights on this. Thanks in advance!

Length of stay in Singapore: Since 2011, continuous stay
Family size: Wife, son (9 years), myself
Visa status: Singapore PR holder since Feb 2020 (whole family)
Nationality and Race: Indian (whole family)
My Age: 40 years
Marital status: Married for 10 years
Applied for: Citizenship applied in April 2022 (whole family)
Education: Bachelor of Tech (Computer Science from India); Wife (Master of Arts)
Occupation: IT Consultant (Cloud and related tech); wife doesn't work
Employer: Large IT Company (Global footprint)
Salary: ~ SGD 200K

Very low chance. You didn't even complete one REP renewal.

Thanks very much for the response SF. I was wondering, apart from REP renewal, are there any other factors in play for SC grant? We are all good with NS and see it as an overall positive. However do you think that typically the SC is given after son's NS completion only? Which means I am in the SC queue for 11 more years Or there is a possibility before NS completion as well - if so, what are the other critical criteria under consideration e.g. higher salary, kids going in local school, total stay in SG, buying a property, wife in workforce etc. Many thanks for reading it and your replies too!

[singaporeflyer]

Dear group members,

I would like to seek your opinion on the outcome of our Singapore Citizenship application. Greatly appreciate if you could share your insights on this. Thanks in advance!

Length of stay in Singapore: Since 2011, continuous stay
Family size: Wife, son (9 years), myself
Visa status: Singapore PR holder since Feb 2020 (whole family)
Nationality and Race: Indian (whole family)
My Age: 40 years
Marital status: Married for 10 years
Applied for: Citizenship applied in April 2022 (whole family)
Education: Bachelor of Tech (Computer Science from India); Wife (Master of Arts)
Occupation: IT Consultant (Cloud and related tech); wife doesn't work
Employer: Large IT Company (Global footprint)
Salary: ~ SGD 200K

Very low chance. You didn't even complete one REP renewal.

Thanks very much for the response SF. I was wondering, apart from REP renewal, are there any other factors in play for SC grant? We are all good with NS and see it as an overall positive. However do you think that typically the SC is given after son's NS completion only? Which means I am in the SC queue for 11 more years Or there is a possibility before NS completion as well - if so, what are the other critical criteria under consideration e.g. higher salary, kids going in local school, total stay in SG, buying a property, wife in workforce etc. Many thanks for reading it and your replies too!

For your case NS is not an issue. Short time on bring PR is the current main issue.

[sundaymorningstaple]

Dear group members,

I would like to seek your opinion on the outcome of our Singapore Citizenship application. Greatly appreciate if you could share your insights on this. Thanks in advance!

Length of stay in Singapore: Since 2011, continuous stay
Family size: Wife, son (9 years), myself
Visa status: Singapore PR holder since Feb 2020 (whole family)
Nationality and Race: Indian (whole family)
My Age: 40 years
Marital status: Married for 10 years
Applied for: Citizenship applied in April 2022 (whole family)
Education: Bachelor of Tech (Computer Science from India); Wife (Master of Arts)
Occupation: IT Consultant (Cloud and related tech); wife doesn't work
Employer: Large IT Company (Global footprint)
Salary: ~ SGD 200K

Very low chance. You didn't even complete one REP renewal.

Thanks very much for the response SF. I was wondering, apart from REP renewal, are there any other factors in play for SC grant? We are all good with NS and see it as an overall positive. However do you think that typically the SC is given after son's NS completion only? Which means I am in the SC queue for 11 more years Or there is a possibility before NS completion as well - if so, what are the other critical criteria under consideration e.g. higher salary, kids going in local school, total stay in SG, buying a property, wife in workforce etc. Many thanks for reading it and your replies too!

2 yrs (min.) as a PR with closer to 5 years if anything other than ethnically Chinese to start with. NS (for this purpose means full-time NSMan - not reservists) is currently 20~24 months. Salary is already fine, promotions would also be seen as a positive in conjunction with other additional positives. Local school definitely if PR especially in your ethnic grouping where it's been heavily abused over the years. Obviously uninterrupted stay in SG important I'd say 5 years min, 7 is better (e.g. 3 or 4 years EP, PR-2 yr min, 3 or 4 better.) Buying a property while nice, does nothing except show you are willing to buy like so many here only to make a profit later (telling them otherwise is a joke as too many of your predecessors have already burned those bridges for you - same with charity works). Wife in workforce is good but personally I don't think it is all that necessary with your current earnings, but obviously it won't hurt. Sadly, IT and Cloudworks have reached saturation here and it's pretty easy to find locals now. So there is that to contend with as well.

[yaxer981]

Very low chance. You didn't even complete one REP renewal.

Thanks very much for the response SF. I was wondering, apart from REP renewal, are there any other factors in play for SC grant? We are all good with NS and see it as an overall positive. However do you think that typically the SC is given after son's NS completion only? Which means I am in the SC queue for 11 more years Or there is a possibility before NS completion as well - if so, what are the other critical criteria under consideration e.g. higher salary, kids going in local school, total stay in SG, buying a property, wife in workforce etc. Many thanks for reading it and your replies too!

2 yrs (min.) as a PR with closer to 5 years if anything other than ethnically Chinese to start with. NS (for this purpose means full-time NSMan - not reservists) is currently 20~24 months. Salary is already fine, promotions would also be seen as a positive in conjunction with other additional positives. Local school definitely if PR especially in your ethnic grouping where it's been heavily abused over the years. Obviously uninterrupted stay in SG important I'd say 5 years min, 7 is better (e.g. 3 or 4 years EP, PR-2 yr min, 3 or 4 better.) Buying a property while nice, does nothing except show you are willing to buy like so many here only to make a profit later (telling them otherwise is a joke as too many of your predecessors have already burned those bridges for you - same with charity works). Wife in workforce is good but personally I don't think it is all that necessary with your current earnings, but obviously it won't hurt. Sadly, IT and Cloudworks have reached saturation here and it's pretty easy to find locals now. So there is that to contend with as well.

Thanks very much Sir!

[yaxer981]

Very low chance. You didn't even complete one REP renewal.

Thanks very much for the response SF. I was wondering, apart from REP renewal, are there any other factors in play for SC grant? We are all good with NS and see it as an overall positive. However do you think that typically the SC is given after son's NS completion only? Which means I am in the SC queue for 11 more years Or there is a possibility before NS completion as well - if so, what are the other critical criteria under consideration e.g. higher salary, kids going in local school, total stay in SG, buying a property, wife in workforce etc. Many thanks for reading it and your replies too!

For your case NS is not an issue. Short time on bring PR is the current main issue.

Thank you SF, appreciate your response.

[Pan91]

Update: PR, Citizenship profile evaluation 2023

My PR got rejected right after 6 months.

Wife's Citizenship got approved after 32 months.

Happy with the outcome though.

I believe ica might have reviewed my profile while approving my wife's Citizenship. I hope they didn't consider me as a liability.

Hopefully my PR will get approved next time.

Thanks everyone

[MOCHS]

Since your wife got her citizenship approved, just ask her to sponsor your PR under family ties scheme. But practice patience, wait a year after your rejection before re-applying.

[Lisafuller]

Update: PR, Citizenship profile evaluation 2023

My PR got rejected right after 6 months.

Wife's Citizenship got approved after 32 months.

Happy with the outcome though.

I believe ica might have reviewed my profile while approving my wife's Citizenship. I hope they didn't consider me as a liability.

Hopefully my PR will get approved next time.

Thanks everyone

Sorry to hear that, at least your wife was approved so now she can sponsor you the next time around.

[Pan91]

Is there a difference between a PR and a Citizen sponsoring his/her spouse under family ties? Like more points given to Citizen sponsord application?

[singaporeflyer]

Is there a difference between a PR and a Citizen sponsoring his/her spouse under family ties? Like more points given to Citizen sponsord application?

It is very obvious. A Citizen sponsoring will surely have more weightage than a PR sponsoring.