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PR, Citizenship profile evaluation 2023

Post by Pan91 » Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:50 am

Hi Group members/ Moderators,

I would like to ask for your advice on PR chance for myself and Citizenship chance for my wife. Thank you so much!

Wife:

Nationality: Indian(SPR)
Age: 27
Race: Indian
Marital status: Married for 7 months
Applied for: Citizenship (pending for 25 months)
Education: Electronic and communication Engg (India) + MTech from NUS
Occupation: Solution Architect
Salary: ~ S$120k



Myself:

Nationality: Indian
Age: 30
Race: Indian
Marital status: Married for 7 months
Applied for: PR applied this month (Spouse sponsor)
Education: Computer Engg (India) + Graduate diploma from NUS (served 3 years bond with MOE)
Length of stay in SG: ( 1 year for PG dip from NUS + 6.5 years’ work exp in sg)
Pass type: Student Pass ->EP
Occupation: Senior software engineer
Salary: ~ S$82k

Background: Applied PR for myself in 2019 under PTS and was unsuccessful. Wife applied for Citizenship in 2020 and was unsuccessful.
Last edited by Pan91 on Wed, 19 Oct 2022 2:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: PR, Citizenship profile evaluation 2023

Post by korosensei » Wed, 19 Oct 2022 7:17 am

if you read some of the post here they will recommend to apply after two years of marriage. i think you had applied too early.

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Re: PR, Citizenship profile evaluation 2023

Post by Wd40 » Wed, 19 Oct 2022 9:28 am

Pan91 wrote:
Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:50 am
Hi Group members/ Moderators,

I would like to ask for your advice on PR chance for myself and Citizenship chance for my wife. Thank you so much!

Wife:

Nationality: Indian(SPR)
Age: 27
Race: Indian
Marital status: Married for 7 months
Applied for: Citizenship (pending for 25 months)
Education: Electronic and communication Engg (India) + MTech from NUS
Occupation: Solution Architect
Salary: ~ S$120k



Myself:

Nationality: Indian
Age: 30
Race: Indian
Marital status: Married for 7 months
Applied for: PR applied this month (Spouse sponsor)
Education: Computer Engg (India) + Graduate diploma from NUS (served 3 years bond with MOE)
Length of stay in SG: ( 1 year for PG dip from NUS + 6.5 years’ work exp in sg)
Pass type: SP ->EP
Occupation: Senior software engineer
Salary: ~ S$82k

Background: Applied PR for myself in 2019 under PTS and was unsuccessful. Wife applied for Citizenship in 2020 and was unsuccessful.
Hi, I am curious, when you came from India after bachelors of Engineering were you a fresher or did you have any work experience? After grad diploma of 1yr, did you find a job easily and got an S Pass? Was it campus recruitment or via some networking?

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Re: PR, Citizenship profile evaluation 2023

Post by Pan91 » Wed, 19 Oct 2022 2:35 pm

korosensei wrote:
Wed, 19 Oct 2022 7:17 am
if you read some of the post here they will recommend to apply after two years of marriage. i think you had applied too early.
I agree with you, I'm open for rejection now. I will apply again once my wife gets citizenship or after a baby.

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Re: PR, Citizenship profile evaluation 2023

Post by Pan91 » Wed, 19 Oct 2022 2:44 pm

Wd40 wrote:
Wed, 19 Oct 2022 9:28 am
Pan91 wrote:
Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:50 am
Hi Group members/ Moderators,

I would like to ask for your advice on PR chance for myself and Citizenship chance for my wife. Thank you so much!

Wife:

Nationality: Indian(SPR)
Age: 27
Race: Indian
Marital status: Married for 7 months
Applied for: Citizenship (pending for 25 months)
Education: Electronic and communication Engg (India) + MTech from NUS
Occupation: Solution Architect
Salary: ~ S$120k



Myself:

Nationality: Indian
Age: 30
Race: Indian
Marital status: Married for 7 months
Applied for: PR applied this month (Spouse sponsor)
Education: Computer Engg (India) + Graduate diploma from NUS (served 3 years bond with MOE)
Length of stay in SG: ( 1 year for PG dip from NUS + 6.5 years’ work exp in sg)
Pass type: SP ->EP
Occupation: Senior software engineer
Salary: ~ S$82k

Background: Applied PR for myself in 2019 under PTS and was unsuccessful. Wife applied for Citizenship in 2020 and was unsuccessful.
Hi, I am curious, when you came from India after bachelors of Engineering were you a fresher or did you have any work experience? After grad diploma of 1yr, did you find a job easily and got an S Pass? Was it campus recruitment or via some networking?
There is no such thing called campus interview in Singapore
I was never on Spass. I was on student pass.
I had some exp before coming to sg.
Finding a job in Singapore is not easy and there is no MOE subsidy for foreigners anymore. It's gonna be more difficult.

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Re: PR, Citizenship profile evaluation 2023

Post by Wd40 » Wed, 19 Oct 2022 6:33 pm

Pan91 wrote:
Wed, 19 Oct 2022 2:44 pm
Wd40 wrote:
Wed, 19 Oct 2022 9:28 am
Pan91 wrote:
Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:50 am
Hi Group members/ Moderators,

I would like to ask for your advice on PR chance for myself and Citizenship chance for my wife. Thank you so much!

Wife:

Nationality: Indian(SPR)
Age: 27
Race: Indian
Marital status: Married for 7 months
Applied for: Citizenship (pending for 25 months)
Education: Electronic and communication Engg (India) + MTech from NUS
Occupation: Solution Architect
Salary: ~ S$120k



Myself:

Nationality: Indian
Age: 30
Race: Indian
Marital status: Married for 7 months
Applied for: PR applied this month (Spouse sponsor)
Education: Computer Engg (India) + Graduate diploma from NUS (served 3 years bond with MOE)
Length of stay in SG: ( 1 year for PG dip from NUS + 6.5 years’ work exp in sg)
Pass type: SP ->EP
Occupation: Senior software engineer
Salary: ~ S$82k

Background: Applied PR for myself in 2019 under PTS and was unsuccessful. Wife applied for Citizenship in 2020 and was unsuccessful.
Hi, I am curious, when you came from India after bachelors of Engineering were you a fresher or did you have any work experience? After grad diploma of 1yr, did you find a job easily and got an S Pass? Was it campus recruitment or via some networking?
There is no such thing called campus interview in Singapore
I was never on Spass. I was on student pass.
I had some exp before coming to sg.
Finding a job in Singapore is not easy and there is no MOE subsidy for foreigners anymore. It's gonna be more difficult.
Thanks. I wonder what made you choose SG PG diploma then?

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Re: PR, Citizenship profile evaluation 2023

Post by NYY1 » Wed, 19 Oct 2022 8:22 pm

Wd40 wrote:
Wed, 19 Oct 2022 6:33 pm
Pan91 wrote:
Wed, 19 Oct 2022 2:44 pm
Wd40 wrote:
Wed, 19 Oct 2022 9:28 am


Hi, I am curious, when you came from India after bachelors of Engineering were you a fresher or did you have any work experience? After grad diploma of 1yr, did you find a job easily and got an S Pass? Was it campus recruitment or via some networking?
There is no such thing called campus interview in Singapore
I was never on Spass. I was on student pass.
I had some exp before coming to sg.
Finding a job in Singapore is not easy and there is no MOE subsidy for foreigners anymore. It's gonna be more difficult.
Thanks. I wonder what made you choose SG PG diploma then?
I think he said he had the Tuition Grant (served 3 year bond). There were some other comments (maybe from you) that a colleague or friend's child didn't get it. I am not sure what the current state of the Tuition Grant is; it is still listed on NUS/NTU website but one needs to apply and possibly they are given out more selectively these days?

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Re: PR, Citizenship profile evaluation 2023

Post by Wd40 » Thu, 20 Oct 2022 11:07 am

NYY1 wrote:
Wed, 19 Oct 2022 8:22 pm
Wd40 wrote:
Wed, 19 Oct 2022 6:33 pm
Pan91 wrote:
Wed, 19 Oct 2022 2:44 pm


There is no such thing called campus interview in Singapore
I was never on Spass. I was on student pass.
I had some exp before coming to sg.
Finding a job in Singapore is not easy and there is no MOE subsidy for foreigners anymore. It's gonna be more difficult.
Thanks. I wonder what made you choose SG PG diploma then?
I think he said he had the Tuition Grant (served 3 year bond). There were some other comments (maybe from you) that a colleague or friend's child didn't get it. I am not sure what the current state of the Tuition Grant is; it is still listed on NUS/NTU website but one needs to apply and possibly they are given out more selectively these days?
I believe the tuition grant whether you get it or not, you only find out in hindsight, as my colleague was saying her nephew eventually didnt get the grant but he has already started his semester. I wonder what made OP to come to Singapore and take that risk. Lucky he got a grant and found a job here. But I dont think it is worth that risk, he could have easily moved to Canada, Australia or UK or even just stayed in India. His biggest upside, seems to be acquiring a PR wife, but if he is not given PR, then it is pretty useless also.

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Re: PR, Citizenship profile evaluation 2023

Post by smoulder » Thu, 20 Oct 2022 11:20 am

Acquiring a PR wife? The wife is useless if he doesn't get a PR? 🚩

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Re: PR, Citizenship profile evaluation 2023

Post by NYY1 » Thu, 20 Oct 2022 11:30 am

Wd40 wrote:
Thu, 20 Oct 2022 11:07 am
NYY1 wrote:
Wed, 19 Oct 2022 8:22 pm
Wd40 wrote:
Wed, 19 Oct 2022 6:33 pm


Thanks. I wonder what made you choose SG PG diploma then?
I think he said he had the Tuition Grant (served 3 year bond). There were some other comments (maybe from you) that a colleague or friend's child didn't get it. I am not sure what the current state of the Tuition Grant is; it is still listed on NUS/NTU website but one needs to apply and possibly they are given out more selectively these days?
I believe the tuition grant whether you get it or not, you only find out in hindsight, as my colleague was saying her nephew eventually didnt get the grant but he has already started his semester. I wonder what made OP to come to Singapore and take that risk. Lucky he got a grant and found a job here. But I dont think it is worth that risk, he could have easily moved to Canada, Australia or UK or even just stayed in India. His biggest upside, seems to be acquiring a PR wife, but if he is not given PR, then it is pretty useless also.
I thought it (obtain Grant or not) when admission offers were made? As when you accept you need to confirm whether you are accepting with or without the Grant. But I am not close to this right now and don't know anyone that has recently taken it. As you allude to, I don't know how many people could make a fair assessment and decision without knowing whether they have it or not (given the cost differential).

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Re: PR, Citizenship profile evaluation 2023

Post by Wd40 » Thu, 20 Oct 2022 11:39 am

smoulder wrote:
Thu, 20 Oct 2022 11:20 am
Acquiring a PR wife? The wife is useless if he doesn't get a PR? 🚩
The Wife's PR is useless, not the wife :) I know so many couples where one spouse got PR during the hey days of 2006-2008 but the other spouse didnt get so they just eventually quit Singapore, because without both spouses PR, you cant buy HDB and the non PR spouse will have difficulty finding a job etc.

I read somewhere that Singapore is unique that, when a dependent applies for PR, they evaluate whether the main person deserves PR or not based on the latest criteria, if not they just dont give PR to the dependent, thats why the main person's PR is also pretty much useless, if the whole family cannot get PR and then subsequently citizenship.

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Re: PR, Citizenship profile evaluation 2023

Post by Pan91 » Thu, 20 Oct 2022 11:49 am

Wd40 wrote:
Thu, 20 Oct 2022 11:07 am
NYY1 wrote:
Wed, 19 Oct 2022 8:22 pm
Wd40 wrote:
Wed, 19 Oct 2022 6:33 pm


Thanks. I wonder what made you choose SG PG diploma then?
I think he said he had the Tuition Grant (served 3 year bond). There were some other comments (maybe from you) that a colleague or friend's child didn't get it. I am not sure what the current state of the Tuition Grant is; it is still listed on NUS/NTU website but one needs to apply and possibly they are given out more selectively these days?
I believe the tuition grant whether you get it or not, you only find out in hindsight, as my colleague was saying her nephew eventually didnt get the grant but he has already started his semester. I wonder what made OP to come to Singapore and take that risk. Lucky he got a grant and found a job here. But I dont think it is worth that risk, he could have easily moved to Canada, Australia or UK or even just stayed in India. His biggest upside, seems to be acquiring a PR wife, but if he is not given PR, then it is pretty useless also.
I did not know my wife when I first came to Singapore.

Choosing Singapore over other countries for someone coming from Tamil Nadu could have other reasons as well.

1) Firstly, my Mother's father was a citizen; my Father's father was a PR. Both are passed away and did not bring their respective kids to Sg. I always had a deep connection to this country since my childhood.

2) I do have a lot of close relatives here even now.

3) During 2015, MOE subsidiary was common to almost all PG programs and guaranteed for all students.

4) It is NUS.

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Re: PR, Citizenship profile evaluation 2023

Post by Wd40 » Fri, 21 Oct 2022 12:13 pm

Pan91 wrote:
Thu, 20 Oct 2022 11:49 am
Wd40 wrote:
Thu, 20 Oct 2022 11:07 am
NYY1 wrote:
Wed, 19 Oct 2022 8:22 pm

I think he said he had the Tuition Grant (served 3 year bond). There were some other comments (maybe from you) that a colleague or friend's child didn't get it. I am not sure what the current state of the Tuition Grant is; it is still listed on NUS/NTU website but one needs to apply and possibly they are given out more selectively these days?
I believe the tuition grant whether you get it or not, you only find out in hindsight, as my colleague was saying her nephew eventually didnt get the grant but he has already started his semester. I wonder what made OP to come to Singapore and take that risk. Lucky he got a grant and found a job here. But I dont think it is worth that risk, he could have easily moved to Canada, Australia or UK or even just stayed in India. His biggest upside, seems to be acquiring a PR wife, but if he is not given PR, then it is pretty useless also.
I did not know my wife when I first came to Singapore.

Choosing Singapore over other countries for someone coming from Tamil Nadu could have other reasons as well.

1) Firstly, my Mother's father was a citizen; my Father's father was a PR. Both are passed away and did not bring their respective kids to Sg. I always had a deep connection to this country since my childhood.

2) I do have a lot of close relatives here even now.

3) During 2015, MOE subsidiary was common to almost all PG programs and guaranteed for all students.

4) It is NUS.
Thanks, appreciate you sharing your details. Wish you good luck with the PR application. Since you already have strong ties here, I think it is a matter of time.

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Re: PR, Citizenship profile evaluation 2023

Post by yaxer981 » Thu, 27 Oct 2022 1:02 pm

Dear group members,

I would like to seek your opinion on the outcome of our Singapore Citizenship application. Greatly appreciate if you could share your insights on this. Thanks in advance!

Length of stay in Singapore: Since 2011, continuous stay
Family size: Wife, son (9 years), myself
Visa status: Singapore PR holder since Feb 2020 (whole family)
Nationality and Race: Indian (whole family)
My Age: 40 years
Marital status: Married for 10 years
Applied for: Citizenship applied in April 2022 (whole family)
Education: Bachelor of Tech (Computer Science from India); Wife (Master of Arts)
Occupation: IT Consultant (Cloud and related tech); wife doesn't work
Employer: Large IT Company (Global footprint)
Salary: ~ SGD 200K

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Re: PR, Citizenship profile evaluation 2023

Post by singaporeflyer » Thu, 27 Oct 2022 1:53 pm

yaxer981 wrote:
Thu, 27 Oct 2022 1:02 pm
Dear group members,

I would like to seek your opinion on the outcome of our Singapore Citizenship application. Greatly appreciate if you could share your insights on this. Thanks in advance!

Length of stay in Singapore: Since 2011, continuous stay
Family size: Wife, son (9 years), myself
Visa status: Singapore PR holder since Feb 2020 (whole family)
Nationality and Race: Indian (whole family)
My Age: 40 years
Marital status: Married for 10 years
Applied for: Citizenship applied in April 2022 (whole family)
Education: Bachelor of Tech (Computer Science from India); Wife (Master of Arts)
Occupation: IT Consultant (Cloud and related tech); wife doesn't work
Employer: Large IT Company (Global footprint)
Salary: ~ SGD 200K
Very low chance. You didn't even complete one REP renewal.

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