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Re: Ignoring ICA on citizenship

Post by Lisafuller » Wed, 28 Sep 2022 9:29 pm

sundaymorningstaple wrote:Some of these Stateless persons here have been in the papers in recent years due to the impossible position the government puts them in.
Is there any way for them to acquire citizenship?

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Post by jalanjalan » Wed, 28 Sep 2022 9:56 pm

They apply, like everyone else.

Written Reply to Parliamentary Question on Stateless Residents Residing in Singapore as of December 2020
https://www.mha.gov.sg/mediaroom/parlia ... r-for-law/

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Re: Ignoring ICA on citizenship

Post by malcontent » Wed, 28 Sep 2022 10:26 pm

It’s just bad luck for these people… sometimes no fault of their own. And when faced with the sausage grinder, they don’t stand a chance.
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Re: Ignoring ICA on citizenship

Post by therat » Wed, 28 Sep 2022 10:47 pm

last mth, TODAY interview one stateless man who took 29 yrs to get citizenship.'

you can google "National Day Special: Formerly stateless, now this Singapore citizen is free to sink roots and travel without fear"

(I'm not sure, is TODAY link allow in this forum)

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Re: Ignoring ICA on citizenship

Post by Lisafuller » Thu, 29 Sep 2022 12:46 am

therat wrote:last mth, TODAY interview one stateless man who took 29 yrs to get citizenship.'

you can google "National Day Special: Formerly stateless, now this Singapore citizen is free to sink roots and travel without fear"

(I'm not sure, is TODAY link allow in this forum)
Wow, imagine having to go 29 years never being able to leave the country, not even to JB, for fear that you wouldn’t be able to reenter the country.

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Re: Ignoring ICA on citizenship

Post by Lisafuller » Thu, 29 Sep 2022 12:49 am

malcontent wrote:It’s just bad luck for these people… sometimes no fault of their own. And when faced with the sausage grinder, they don’t stand a chance.
Yep, but I definitely think something should be done to expedite the citizenship process for such people. Nobody should have to live stateless.

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Post by Lisafuller » Thu, 29 Sep 2022 12:49 am

jalanjalan wrote:They apply, like everyone else.

Written Reply to Parliamentary Question on Stateless Residents Residing in Singapore as of December 2020
https://www.mha.gov.sg/mediaroom/parlia ... r-for-law/
Very interesting

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Re: Ignoring ICA on citizenship

Post by therat » Thu, 29 Sep 2022 9:09 am

Lisafuller wrote:
Thu, 29 Sep 2022 12:49 am
Wow, imagine having to go 29 years never being able to leave the country, not even to JB, for fear that you wouldn’t be able to reenter the country.
if you read that article, government did offer him citizenship when he is 21 yr old. He turn down that offer.

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Re: Ignoring ICA on citizenship

Post by x9200 » Thu, 29 Sep 2022 11:00 am

therat wrote:
Thu, 29 Sep 2022 9:09 am
Lisafuller wrote:
Thu, 29 Sep 2022 12:49 am
Wow, imagine having to go 29 years never being able to leave the country, not even to JB, for fear that you wouldn’t be able to reenter the country.
if you read that article, government did offer him citizenship when he is 21 yr old. He turn down that offer.
Looks like self-inflicted damage due to some thoughtless cherry picking.
Not sure about Malaysia citizenship but for Polish, he could be formally eligible even now.

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Re: Ignoring ICA on citizenship

Post by Lisafuller » Thu, 29 Sep 2022 1:25 pm

therat wrote:
Lisafuller wrote:
Thu, 29 Sep 2022 12:49 am
Wow, imagine having to go 29 years never being able to leave the country, not even to JB, for fear that you wouldn’t be able to reenter the country.
if you read that article, government did offer him citizenship when he is 21 yr old. He turn down that offer.
Honestly, can’t imagine any reason why someone would turn down citizenship after 21 years of being stateless. Downright crazy.

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Re: Ignoring ICA on citizenship

Post by Lisafuller » Thu, 29 Sep 2022 1:25 pm

x9200 wrote:
therat wrote:
Thu, 29 Sep 2022 9:09 am
Lisafuller wrote:
Thu, 29 Sep 2022 12:49 am
Wow, imagine having to go 29 years never being able to leave the country, not even to JB, for fear that you wouldn’t be able to reenter the country.
if you read that article, government did offer him citizenship when he is 21 yr old. He turn down that offer.
Looks like self-inflicted damage due to some thoughtless cherry picking.
Not sure about Malaysia citizenship but for Polish, he could be formally eligible even now.
Even if he was looking to turn down citizenship in favor of becoming a citizen of another country, why wouldn’t he just take up the offer first and then pursue other citizenship options after?

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Re: Ignoring ICA on citizenship

Post by malcontent » Thu, 29 Sep 2022 2:23 pm

Lisafuller wrote:
Thu, 29 Sep 2022 1:25 pm
x9200 wrote:
therat wrote:
Thu, 29 Sep 2022 9:09 am


if you read that article, government did offer him citizenship when he is 21 yr old. He turn down that offer.
Looks like self-inflicted damage due to some thoughtless cherry picking.
Not sure about Malaysia citizenship but for Polish, he could be formally eligible even now.
Even if he was looking to turn down citizenship in favor of becoming a citizen of another country, why wouldn’t he just take up the offer first and then pursue other citizenship options after?
I was thinking the exact same thing
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Re: Ignoring ICA on citizenship

Post by x9200 » Thu, 29 Sep 2022 2:49 pm

Could be he thought he had better chances to get the Australia citizenship being stateless than having already a citizenship secured.

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Re: Ignoring ICA on citizenship

Post by Lisafuller » Thu, 29 Sep 2022 5:14 pm

malcontent wrote:
Lisafuller wrote:
Thu, 29 Sep 2022 1:25 pm
x9200 wrote: Looks like self-inflicted damage due to some thoughtless cherry picking.
Not sure about Malaysia citizenship but for Polish, he could be formally eligible even now.
Even if he was looking to turn down citizenship in favor of becoming a citizen of another country, why wouldn’t he just take up the offer first and then pursue other citizenship options after?
I was thinking the exact same thing
Right, hardly a smart move on his end.

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Re: Ignoring ICA on citizenship

Post by Lisafuller » Thu, 29 Sep 2022 5:16 pm

x9200 wrote:Could be he thought he had better chances to get the Australia citizenship being stateless than having already a citizenship secured.
I’d think that when you’ve been stateless all your life you take what you can get, especially when it’s as strong as SGC

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