Thoughts on 377a repeal

[sundaymorningstaple]

Cheesy needs to spend a little more time reading for content and less time crusading itself. If it wants to play with the big dogs it cannot be peeing like puppy unless it is using the right pronoun.

[malcontent]

I would actually prefer you had these views and weren't religious at all lol.

For example. "I believe in no sex before marriage" ( non religious person). A bit odd but fair enough if that's how you see it.

The same statement where the belief stems from an ancient book loses credibility. Sorry for insulting those who are religious but sure.


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I do not believe my views on this are unduly influenced by religion. Although I have deep respect and admiration for those who are devoutly religious, if I were a zealot, I’d be pushing for a strict religious state under biblical cannon law.

Instead, I lean very much Libertarian and support non-interference by the state in people’s lives. That means not messing around with the institution of marriage. It means being neutral and not reinterpreting things as you like them.

This is not just a religious thing, it is a long held cultural, civil, and legal concept, much like marriage itself. Without consummation you don’t have a real marriage, and when you recognize false marriages it is overstepping.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consummation

[Myasis Dragon]

I do not believe my views on this are unduly influenced by religion. Although I have deep respect and admiration for those who are devoutly religious, if I were a zealot, I’d be pushing for a strict religious state under biblical cannon law.

Instead, I lean very much Libertarian and support non-interference by the state in people’s lives. That means not messing around with the institution of marriage. It means being neutral and not reinterpreting things as you like them.

This is not just a religious thing, it is a long held cultural, civil, and legal concept, much like marriage itself. Without consummation you don’t have a real marriage, and when you recognize false marriages it is overstepping.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consummation

You sound entirely homophobic to me, and you seem to lack a basic understanding of what it means to be gay and not have the rights of civil marriage.

As much as you would like to think otherwise, being gay is not a choice. It is not something that can be "counselled" out of a person.

Your definition of marriage is so much crap. "Consummation"... a distinctly religious overtone. What you miss entirely is the the rights and benefits that accrue to those in a civil marriage contract. Those rights and benefits include:

The right to specify medical care for your spouse.
The right to determine the service and disposal of a deceased spouse's body.
The right of survivorship in many financial situations.
The right to inherit.

I don't give a shit if some backwards church with a bigoted preacher won't allow gay marriage because it's a "sin" (funny how these same hypocritical assholes conveniently ignore all the rest of the bible when it infringes upon their own freedom). I give a big shit when people wish to deny the rights of civil marriage because the couple is homosexual.

[malcontent]

I never said is was a choice, but it’s not always binary either. I might not personally agree with the activities (must I?) but I have no phobia or prejudice against anyone.

I also never said they should not have equal rights that a civil marriage contract provides. If some kind of same sex civil union is needed to accomplish that, so be it — but you don’t need to call it a marriage or redefine marriage in order to do that… leave marriage out of it.

[Myasis Dragon]

I never said is was a choice, but it’s not always binary either. I might not personally agree with the activities (must I?) but I have no phobia or prejudice against anyone.

I also never said they should not have equal rights that a civil marriage contract provides. If some kind of same sex civil union is needed to accomplish that, so be it — but you don’t need to call it a marriage or redefine marriage in order to do that… leave marriage out of it.

What's wrong with calling it "marriage"? It's a commitment between two people. Your definition rings hollow.

[mozarella99]

Malcontent might come unhinged if you push too hard MyasisDragon. And then his fellow geriatric gang (SundayMorningStaples included) will act as back up dancers throwing in one line zingers from time to time.

Homophobia comes in different shades. And what we've all been treated too on this thread are thinly veiled comments along those lines. Comments which lack a basic sense of understanding of what it indeed means to be gay or lesbian (or indeed anyone along the LGBTQ+ spectrum). And more importantly in light of the recent announcement - a basic lack of even compassion for what these folks will now be forced to endure.

Guess when you reach a certain level of privilege over a certain amount of time. The entitlement and self righteousness hinder learning, curiosity and any sort of progress. Throw in these strong religious underpinnings and yikes - shit begins to hit the fan.

[mozarella99]

Cheesy needs to spend a little more time reading for content and less time crusading itself. If it wants to play with the big dogs it cannot be peeing like puppy unless it is using the right pronoun.

Lol SMS. Clearly the world is changing at a pace that you old timers can't keep up with. Perhaps we should start another thread on pronouns. Maybe a basic 101 series where the puppies teach the disgruntled big dogs a thing or two

[malcontent]

I never said is was a choice, but it’s not always binary either. I might not personally agree with the activities (must I?) but I have no phobia or prejudice against anyone.

I also never said they should not have equal rights that a civil marriage contract provides. If some kind of same sex civil union is needed to accomplish that, so be it — but you don’t need to call it a marriage or redefine marriage in order to do that… leave marriage out of it.

What's wrong with calling it "marriage"? It's a commitment between two people. Your definition rings hollow.

If your definition is only a commitment between two people, then civil union rings true.

Marriage is more than that (at least for myself and what has become an underrepresented minority who are being told to shut up and go away).

[malcontent]

Malcontent might come unhinged if you push too hard MyasisDragon. And then his fellow geriatric gang (SundayMorningStaples included) will act as back up dancers throwing in one line zingers from time to time.

Homophobia comes in different shades. And what we've all been treated too on this thread are thinly veiled comments along those lines. Comments which lack a basic sense of understanding of what it indeed means to be gay or lesbian (or indeed anyone along the LGBTQ+ spectrum). And more importantly in light of the recent announcement - a basic lack of even compassion for what these folks will now be forced to endure.

Guess when you reach a certain level of privilege over a certain amount of time. The entitlement and self righteousness hinder learning, curiosity and any sort of progress. Throw in these strong religious underpinnings and yikes - shit begins to hit the fan.

Homophobia is a dislike or prejudice against gay people. I disagree with the activity, but not the person — there is a difference. I have plenty of friends that are involved in sexual activities that I consider immoral. Do I dislike them or have any prejudices against them? No. Do whatever you want, but you can’t force me to agree with it.

Ageism is stereotyping and/or discrimination against individuals or groups on the basis of their age. You keep making geriatric slurs and you don’t even know how old I am. If you want to claim the high ground on not being prejudice, you might want to check yourself.

Theophobia is a fear of religion or gods. The primary objectives of sufferers are avoiding religious texts, houses of worship, and people who believe in deities. They are often expressed in horror or as an anger to people who believe in deity. Other symptoms include frustration, trembling, feeling like losing a mind, and lying to deity-believing people. Sufferers may need therapy aided by spiritual guidance to treat theophobia by clearing misconceptions about deity or by answering questions.

[jalanjalan]

The right to specify medical care for your spouse.
The right to determine the service and disposal of a deceased spouse's body.
The right of survivorship in many financial situations.
The right to inherit.

I'll just leave this here: https://mylegacy.life.gov.sg/end-of-life-planning/

[sundaymorningstaple]

Cheesy needs to spend a little more time reading for content and less time crusading itself. If it wants to play with the big dogs it cannot be peeing like puppy unless it is using the right pronoun.

Lol SMS. Clearly the world is changing at a pace that you old timers can't keep up with. Perhaps we should start another thread on pronouns. Maybe a basic 101 series where the puppies teach the disgruntled big dogs a thing or two

Moldycheese, (you are starting to get old yourself), I don't really care what pronoun(s) you use. Frankly I don't give a shit. you are a him or a her until you have your cojones cut off and repositioned or rebuilt into a non-working facsimile. Even then, you will still be him or her depending on your birth certificate. Unless you can figure out how to conceive children naturally in the body after the operation, that is. There is absolutely nothing you can say to change that one unconvertible fact. The sooner you accept that the better your relationships with the rest of the world will be.

[mozarella99]

Whatever you say grandpa.

I know how much effort you must have gone through to put together that response. Special bonus points for that pointless image you added in too. I wonder how it must feel like to be in your shoes. Doubling down and digging your heels in deeper on a sinking ship. Oh well...

Also the world, from your perspective, must be harder and harder to comprehend by the day. So who am I to add to your agony during your golden years.

Cheers mate.

[malcontent]

Ironic how much age prejudice is being spewed by the person who claims to be fighting against prejudice. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. This is the kind of stuff that makes progressives look bad… anyone who doesn’t agree or think the same gets trashed. It’s like “oh, you’re one of those types” and then comes the bombardment of labels and stereotypes… this person is privileged, entitled, self-righteous, an old fogey, a religious nut job and a phobe. This is exactly how the political climate in the US has devolved into culture wars and cancel culture. If you want to talk about a cancer that needs to be culled… that is it! I sincerely hope this kind of toxic sewage never comes to Singapore.

[tiktok]

Nice logic.

A: all gay people are bad.
B: you're just stereotyping, you're ignorant. How stupid.
A: so hypocritical! You accuse me of stereotyping, but you are stereotyping ignorant people as all being stupid!

[malcontent]

Nice logic.

A: all gay people are bad.
B: you're just stereotyping, you're ignorant. How stupid.
A: so hypocritical! You accuse me of stereotyping, but you are stereotyping ignorant people as all being stupid!

Glad you liked it… shall we discuss abortion next?