malcontent wrote: ↑Tue, 30 Aug 2022 10:59 pm
mozarella99 wrote: ↑Tue, 30 Aug 2022 2:40 pm
There is always room for armchair discussions. However, as things stand (especially in light of the current announcements that have been made). What did you expect? To sit down once more and have a debate in a manner where LGBTQ+ allies keep doing more to varnish the egos of the openly biased? To continue cushioning even the most basic messaging. All while rights are being denied? While actual lives are being affected and folks are being marginalized.
Perhaps my comments were a tad too harsh. But we live in such times. Where folks with a certain mindset have lived their entire lives on their terms. Sure homophobes come in all ages and sizes. But they are united in unanimously choosing to actively thwart and deny others of basic rights.
So yeah, we "sympathizers" are running a bit low on patience at this point. It is precisely that frustration that may come off sounding rude. I'm also sure the lack of niceties is the least of the communities (LGBTQ+) problems right now.
So be prepared to face a bit of a shelling as folks like myself (vocally in public or on online forums such as this) see and react to this move from the government. It's not going to come gift wrapped with a thank you note.
The world is already bending over backwards to cater to “anyone who identifies as anything” to the point that it is becoming nonsensical. Those with a moral objection to anything are being labeled, cancelled and marginalized. They don’t count, because they don’t fit the narrative.
It has nothing to do with phobia or a bias, it’s not even about the individual or who they are. It’s only about what they do. There are plenty of morally objectionable things that heteros do too. You don’t need laws against that - but you also don’t need to shove it in our face, tell us to accept it or have the government recognize it and hold it up as as morally acceptable.
It is all about respecting differences — not just the differences you are sympathetic to, but even those you don’t agree with… like the devoutly religious. You can’t claim to respect people’s differences if you cherry pick which differences to respect.
You do realise why the world is "bending over backwards" right? You must take a moment to think of why this narrative exists.
In India where I come from - the caste system has ruined the lives of several millions. And these are not one off instances. This systematic oppression that has broken the hopes and aspirations of several generations!
Similarly the entire LGBTQ+ community fighting for basic, I repeat, very basic civil rights isn't meant at "shoving it in your face". It's more to do with the fact that the world owes them a break. It isn't the same as drugs or gambling or any other vice that someone might pick up. These are folks living their life, dare I say - just as openly as you would want to live yours.
So using old analogy of the India caste system once more. When the country brought in reservations (a system where the government set aside positions in both academia and government jobs) for these marginalized communities. This move has been met (even to date) with stiff opposition from the "upper caste". Their objection was always that this was unfair and that folks from lower castes didn't live up to moral/religious standards of the time.
How is it alright for any society, let alone a supposedly progressive one like Singapore, to have different goal posts for different citizens. I would argue that the world needs to continue doing all that it can. It might still not suffice. But it's a start.
My point is that it's hard to have nuanced balanced discussions at times like this. I know we must. But to sit here and wait what? Another 15 years before the needle moves again just to appease and continue massaging egos of folks who somehow see this as a threat to their lives. That's another generation who have lost opportunities!
And I highly doubt you'd see it the same way if your son or daughter or a loved one came out as gay or lesbian. Because it only then would you see how detrimental such constitutional amendments are. More importantly you might then also begin seeing how accepting and giving them their lives back isn't going to affect your life or the lives of hetero folks/religious groups etc even in the slightest.
